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Post by bostonstokie on Jul 27, 2014 1:55:32 GMT
The biggest thing he needs right now is an arm around him, and sadly he probably won't get it, if he doesn't dribble past 4 players and dispatches it into the top corner 10 minutes into his debut the fans will come down on him with vitriol not seen since the creation of warfare. It's rather sad, it seems any flair players we bring in are expected to be amazing from the get go, and are crucified when they make a slow start, Arnautovic is a prime example, yet plodders like Walters and Wilko are nigh on worshipped, their names are sung from the rafters every game, even after Walters scored two own goals and missed a penalty in the same fucking match he was still being cheered, if that was Marko or Bojan they'd be chased down Stanley Matthews way by an angry mob of pie-throwing toerags hell bent on hanging them from the nearest lamppost. If we are to evolve as a team we have to evolve as fans as well, and firing shots at our own players who are already low on confidence is not the way to go about it, Bojan turned down Champions League football to sign for us, just bear that in mind, a player who has scored in the semi final of the champions league for Barcelona chose to sign for us. I think he's earned a few iffy games until he recovers some form. But no, give it until half time against Villa and he'll be a "worthless show pony" and "overrated dogshit". This post should be pinned to the top of the whole f*cking board. Brilliant.
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Jul 27, 2014 2:39:09 GMT
Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 27, 2014 2:39:09 GMT
Do people forget that Lionel Messi isn't exactly a giant?
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Jul 27, 2014 2:44:09 GMT
Post by southcarolinastokie on Jul 27, 2014 2:44:09 GMT
Raheem Sterling doesn't seem to struggle Yeah but Bojan looks about 6 stone wet through, can you imagine the mess if he tried to go passed someone like wilko, he'd be doing tripple somersalts That's because Wilko tackles like he is pissed all the time. Bojan will do fine but we need to give him time to bed in
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 27, 2014 3:14:07 GMT
He's only 2KG less than Messi, and he's taller. The whole "height & weight" thing is bullshit
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Jul 27, 2014 3:18:05 GMT
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Post by britsabroad on Jul 27, 2014 3:18:05 GMT
The fans need to remember this is the guy who failed as the next Messi, not the guy who made it as the next Messi. He could (hopefully will) still be a brilliant player for Stoke but he's not going to be the best player in the league from day one. He needs time and faith to settle in.
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Jul 27, 2014 3:20:27 GMT
Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 27, 2014 3:20:27 GMT
The fans need to remember this is the guy who failed as the next Messi, not the guy who made it as the next Messi. He could (hopefully will) still be a brilliant player for Stoke but he's not going to be the best player in the league from day one. He needs time and faith to settle in. Nobody is expecting him to become the next Messi, but I was using him as an example of how the height and weight thing doesn't mean anything
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Post by MilanStokie on Jul 27, 2014 6:55:59 GMT
Is it just me or is Palacios photo bombing every Bojan shot?
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Post by tuum on Jul 27, 2014 7:11:04 GMT
A lot of fans are waiting for this guy to fail. Wankers. No they are not. Where is the evidence for that? There seems to be a lot of unnecessary negativity towards our more negative posters.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 27, 2014 7:19:57 GMT
I saw enough in the first two minutes that it'll work. Fantastic little bit of interplay with arnie that should have resulted in a goal Indeed. About the only time we had any real quality link up play that involved him looked very promising. He's an obvious talent that will require some nurturing and more importantly, patience.
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Jul 27, 2014 7:28:36 GMT
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Post by mailman44 on Jul 27, 2014 7:28:36 GMT
I saw enough in the first two minutes that it'll work. Fantastic little bit of interplay with arnie that should have resulted in a goal Indeed. About the only time we had any real quality link up play that involved him looked very promising. He's an obvious talent that will require some nurturing and more importantly, patience. We need to give Bojan a complete season to bed in. Just like we should most new players, especially those coming from the continent. Lot of adjustments to be made on/off the pitch.
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Jul 27, 2014 7:47:42 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 7:47:42 GMT
I remember when Muniesa first played for Stoke, didn't make a single tackle and he looked shakier in a strong breeze then Wilson Palacios. Now I'm happy to see him play centre half or full back and think he is our most promising talent after Arnie! What I'm basically saying is give him a season or so!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 7:59:20 GMT
This seasons fortunes will not be won and lost at Bojans gifted feet. It is a ridiculous myth that needs stamping on from the off. Whatever Bojan achieves this season should be seen as a bonus , not as a absolute requirement to our success. People need to get this into their heads. I'm not expecting too much at all to be honest given his recent confidence problems and it is this precise issue that we need to address first. To do otherwise would be extreme folly. Let the guy bed in slowly and then hopefully we will get the best out of him.
He is Bojan the Bonus ....NOT Bojangles the beautiful destroyer.
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Jul 27, 2014 8:02:57 GMT
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Post by boomboom on Jul 27, 2014 8:02:57 GMT
I remember when Muniesa first played for Stoke, didn't make a single tackle and he looked shakier in a strong breeze then Wilson Palacios. Now I'm happy to see him play centre half or full back and think he is our most promising talent after Arnie! What I'm basically saying is give him a season or so! Spot on, it will need time and effort by both Bojan and those in the stands if this is going to pan out as we all hope it will. Potential is the word. Bojan showed it at Barca and lost his way most likely burdened by the weight of expectation heaped upon him. Hopefully he is more mature now and accepting that like Muniesa it's about establishing yourself at a new club and adapting to the demands of the Prem League. I wish him well but am not expecting great things this season. A bit of magic now and again wouldn't hurt though. Keep The Faith.
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Jul 27, 2014 8:04:10 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 8:04:10 GMT
A lot of fans are waiting for this guy to fail. Wankers. Yep, there are far too many on this board with that attitude. Hughes and the players proved them wrong last season, hopefully they'll continue to do so this season.
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Jul 27, 2014 9:26:57 GMT
Post by mrcoke on Jul 27, 2014 9:26:57 GMT
After yesterday's match I appalled at the amount on the media about his "failure" to help Stoke to victory.
I feel sorry for the guy if he has to continue to contend with this type of pressure and trust it doesn't get to him.
We,as supporters, need to be on his side and be patient and trust that his natural talent will come through as it did with Arni last season.
What struck me about him yesterday he was prepared to do his share of pressing in the opponents half.
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Jul 27, 2014 9:27:38 GMT
Post by arnieforpresident on Jul 27, 2014 9:27:38 GMT
Yeah but Bojan looks about 6 stone wet through, can you imagine the mess if he tried to go passed someone like wilko, he'd be doing tripple somersalts That's because Wilko tackles like he is pissed all the time. Bojan will do fine but we need to give him time to bed inAnybody with any football sense will do. The rest arn't worth worrying about, he'll know that anyway.
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Jul 27, 2014 9:28:21 GMT
Post by march4 on Jul 27, 2014 9:28:21 GMT
A lot of fans are waiting for this guy to fail. Wankers. Yep, there are far too many on this board with that attitude. Hughes and the players proved them wrong last season, hopefully they'll continue to do so this season. As TP, Rory and Mama had done before that.
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Jul 27, 2014 9:31:02 GMT
Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 27, 2014 9:31:02 GMT
Yep, there are far too many on this board with that attitude. Hughes and the players proved them wrong last season, hopefully they'll continue to do so this season. As TP, Rory and Mama had done before that. Indeed. Bring back TP!
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Post by elystokie on Jul 27, 2014 9:32:58 GMT
As TP, Rory and Mama had done before that. Indeed. Bring back TP! Well the season ticket sales seem to have recovered now, he'd have at least a season before thousands fucked off again...
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Jul 27, 2014 9:46:20 GMT
Post by arnieforpresident on Jul 27, 2014 9:46:20 GMT
It will be interesting to see what the commentators call Bojan on Radio & T.V commentry. Bojan. Krkic or Bojan Krkic? I reckon it'll be Bojan & it'll be the first time any of our players have been called by their first name during comnmentry. That's when we know we have truly made it.
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Post by mrpickles on Jul 27, 2014 9:52:53 GMT
Bojan may or may not prove to be a success but one thing is for sure, we can be none the wiser after yesterday's game.
He's well worth a go in the 4231 behind Diouf imo, but having Ireland play where he did, gave us absolutely no inclination of how he would cope with it. Stick N'Zonzi in with Whelan, and we could perhaps form some sort of reasonable opinion on him in that position. Of course, he'll certainly have a better option than Shotton on the right hand side when it gets a bit more serious too.
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Jul 27, 2014 9:55:33 GMT
Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 27, 2014 9:55:33 GMT
It will be interesting to see what the commentators call Bojan on Radio & T.V commentry. Bojan. Krkic or Bojan Krkic? I reckon it'll be Bojan & it'll be the first time any of our players have been called by their first name during comnmentry. That's when we know we have truly made it. They tend to call the players by whatever is on the back of their shirts. Does he have his name on the back of his shirt yet? Presumably if/when he does, it will be Bojan?
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Jul 27, 2014 9:56:24 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 27, 2014 9:56:24 GMT
Bojan may or may not prove to be a success but one thing is for sure, we can be none the wiser after yesterday's game. He's well worth a go in the 4231 behind Diouf imo, but having Ireland play where he did, gave us absolutely no inclination of how he would cope with it. Stick N'Zonzi in with Whelan, and we could perhaps form some sort of reasonable opinion on him in that position. Of course, he'll certainly have a better option than Shotton on the right hand side when it gets a bit more serious too. I have to agree with this. I've got no problem whatsoever with giving all the members of the squad a run out but I'm really struggling to see what the point was in playing Ireland where he did. Strange one for me.
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Jul 27, 2014 10:01:43 GMT
Post by lordb on Jul 27, 2014 10:01:43 GMT
Bojan may or may not prove to be a success but one thing is for sure, we can be none the wiser after yesterday's game. He's well worth a go in the 4231 behind Diouf imo, but having Ireland play where he did, gave us absolutely no inclination of how he would cope with it. Stick N'Zonzi in with Whelan, and we could perhaps form some sort of reasonable opinion on him in that position. Of course, he'll certainly have a better option than Shotton on the right hand side when it gets a bit more serious too. I have to agree with this. I've got no problem whatsoever with giving all the members of the squad a run out but I'm really struggling to see what the point was in playing Ireland where he did. Strange one for me. Friendlies are just 'run outs' Form,formations,players out of position,big wins,silly defeats,all to be ignored.
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Jul 27, 2014 10:03:50 GMT
Post by takeshikovacs on Jul 27, 2014 10:03:50 GMT
Friendlies are for fitness mainly.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 27, 2014 10:06:43 GMT
I have to agree with this. I've got no problem whatsoever with giving all the members of the squad a run out but I'm really struggling to see what the point was in playing Ireland where he did. Strange one for me. Friendlies are just 'run outs' Form,formations,players out of position,big wins,silly defeats,all to be ignored. So Hughes just pulled the players to play out of a hat then and gave them absolutely no instruction on what he wanted them to do? I can't see what he was trying to achieve by playing Ireland specifically (and it was) where he did.
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Post by mrpickles on Jul 27, 2014 10:12:07 GMT
I have to agree with this. I've got no problem whatsoever with giving all the members of the squad a run out but I'm really struggling to see what the point was in playing Ireland where he did. Strange one for me. Friendlies are just 'run outs' Form,formations,players out of position,big wins,silly defeats,all to be ignored. I'm with Paul on this one mate. Playing Ireland in a deeper midfield role is like playing Diouf at left back,as I think both would be just as uncomfortable as the other. N'zonzi alongside Whelan yesterday would have given Hughes some sort of indication of how Bojan would take that role on, and give Bojan some sort of idea of what was expected of him. It would have still been just a run out, and the result wouldn't have mattered a toss, but I just think we could have used it a bit more purposefully.
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Jul 27, 2014 11:02:02 GMT
Post by pedro23 on Jul 27, 2014 11:02:02 GMT
Friendlies are just 'run outs' Form,formations,players out of position,big wins,silly defeats,all to be ignored. I'm with Paul on this one mate. Playing Ireland in a deeper midfield role is like playing Diouf at left back,as I think both would be just as uncomfortable as the other. N'zonzi alongside Whelan yesterday would have given Hughes some sort of indication of how Bojan would take that role on, and give Bojan some sort of idea of what was expected of him. It would have still been just a run out, and the result wouldn't have mattered a toss, but I just think we could have used it a bit more purposefully. In the grand scheme of things we don't know what is happening in training, what the coaching staff need to be checking, what they need to see in an actual match. They must have played Ireland in that role for a reason, or do we think they are just picking names out of a hat, and seeing what happens.
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Jul 27, 2014 11:11:26 GMT
Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 27, 2014 11:11:26 GMT
Maybe he wanted to see if Bojan and Ireland could play together in the centre with just one holding midfielder?
just guessing like. Better to try it in a friendly than a league game
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Post by mrpickles on Jul 27, 2014 11:30:52 GMT
But Ireland has NEVER been a deep lying midfielder has he? He's just not cut out for it, and it goes completely against the way we set up last season.
I've got every faith in Hughes. He's obviously an intelligent guy who knows his football, so I can't honestly think that he's planning on playing Stephen Ireland in the position he played yesterday in a competitive match.
It was obviously just to give all the lads a run out as suggested. Personally though, I'd have used the opportunity to give Bojan a chance to understand the role that will be asked of him next season, IF he does plan on playing behind Diouf.
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