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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Jan 21, 2014 20:38:27 GMT
What the fuck is going on? There's plenty on here who's opinions I usually support or find interesting suggesting he would be a good signing? Fucking WHAAT?
I'll say this once.
He's absolutely fucking terrible.
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Post by alster on Jan 21, 2014 20:39:28 GMT
Difference is Deano could not tackle a school kid and win the ball cleanly. Catermole is a very good tackler, obviously timing is critical and you can't put your foot in like that and get it right every time but as far as tackling goes he gets it right far more often than he gets it wrong. I know the modern game hates ball winners but when I watch a player I want to be able to say what they excell at and Catermole is a very good ball winner I promise you. I take it your taking the piss - he gets more red cards every season than any other prem player. If you get sent off for good tackling then you must be right. If he was that good why would Blunderland be letting him go. Not taking the piss at all. If you wouldn't want him that's up to you and people who share your opinion. I've seen enough of Catermole to know he's a proper ballwinner . Not some cock who gets in peoples way a'la Whitehead, Diao and even Whelan to an extent players you watch for a good length of time and wonder what they're actually any good at.
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Post by alster on Jan 21, 2014 20:40:58 GMT
Can only think Hughes wants an enforcer in the side is he better than Whelan? In just about every Way you could imagine apart from disciplinary record and squeeky clean image.
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Post by iplayinthehole on Jan 21, 2014 20:42:26 GMT
BUY ALL THE MIDFIELDERS!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2014 20:43:22 GMT
I'm up for taking Cattermole.
I would drop nzonzi. Nzonzi does not give a shit and if we rely on him we'll go down. He isn't a player for a relegation dogfight and boy have we got an uphill struggle ahead of us. look at our fixtures? can you imagine nzonzi digging in and getting stuck in, pressing the opposition, putting his body on the line?
Cattermole will get about and is a better player to protect our back four. we need to put more pressure on in midfield. nzonzi just grinds to a halt for large spells in a game. I'd take Cattermole and a pacy forward this window, then we have a chance of surviving
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Post by foster on Jan 21, 2014 20:43:25 GMT
I'd rather eat my own and everyone elses shit. I'd rather rip off and swap my testicles with my eyes and my nose with my penis and forever be known as the world's first actual dickhead than see Cattermole in a Stoke shirt. I'm not eating shit, though. Look on the bright side mate. At least you'll have a bigger todger.
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Post by baystokie on Jan 21, 2014 20:43:26 GMT
Difference is Deano could not tackle a school kid and win the ball cleanly. Catermole is a very good tackler, obviously timing is critical and you can't put your foot in like that and get it right every time but as far as tackling goes he gets it right far more often than he gets it wrong. I know the modern game hates ball winners but when I watch a player I want to be able to say what they excell at and Catermole is a very good ball winner I promise you. I take it your taking the piss - he gets more red cards every season than any other prem player. If you get sent off for good tackling then you must be right. If he was that good why would Blunderland be letting him go. He's had seven reds in 185 PL games an average of 1 red per 26 games - so that's 1.5 reds per 38 game PL season. Even if you add in a few Cup games, you might get to 2 reds a season - not a bad average for a 'tough tackling CDM'? I'm not sure this shows he gets 'more reds than any other Prem player?
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Post by jeycov on Jan 21, 2014 20:43:38 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jan 21, 2014 20:44:01 GMT
Can only think Hughes wants an enforcer in the side is he better than Whelan? In just about every Way you could imagine apart from disciplinary record and squeeky clean image. fair enough then he's not going to add pace or goals
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Post by biganddaft on Jan 21, 2014 20:45:10 GMT
He's an annoying, loathsome, angry, complete and utter cunter of a player.
I think he will fit in well :-)
Completely understand the logic behind this, as we have developed a seriously soft underbelly since the departure of the Delapidator.
Absolutely can't stand the guy, which means when he's on the pitch everyone knows it. Not good when he plays against us, but in a Stoke top he has legend status potential.
How old is he ?
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jan 21, 2014 20:45:10 GMT
I take it your taking the piss - he gets more red cards every season than any other prem player. If you get sent off for good tackling then you must be right. If he was that good why would Blunderland be letting him go. Not taking the piss at all. If you wouldn't want him that's up to you and people who share your opinion. I've seen enough of Catermole to know he's a proper ballwinner . Not some cock who gets in peoples way a'la Whitehead, Diao and even Whelan to an extent players you watch for a good length of time and wonder what they're actually any good at. I suppose if he's such an asset that it's not clear cut as Sunderland will want to keep him? Not what I heard, they are trying to get rid of the shit and bring in better players.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2014 20:46:42 GMT
He's better than what we have. That's good enough for me.
The red mist is the concern.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Jan 21, 2014 20:46:54 GMT
1) Will sign,début against the Mackems....sent off in 10 mins 2) We should have a banner on a par ones at other Premiership Grounds "Welcome to the Dogs Of War" 3) Bang goes our chance of Fifa Fair Play European qualification
£5m....seriously?
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Post by slicko on Jan 21, 2014 20:47:53 GMT
For crying out loud! Why not put in a bid for Joseph Barton and stop pretending we want to play technique based football. Please do not be true Last time I saw Barton play at the Brit he was the best player on the pitch despite the fact we pasted Newcastle . He,s just a horrible human being Agree. Last time he played at the Brit he had less competition for best player. He was also three years younger. Players and technique have improved considerably since then in my humble opinion.
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Jan 21, 2014 20:50:13 GMT
I'd rather rip off and swap my testicles with my eyes and my nose with my penis and forever be known as the world's first actual dickhead than see Cattermole in a Stoke shirt. I'm not eating shit, though. Look on the bright side mate. At least you'll have a bigger todger. They don't call me pinocchio for nothing...
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 21, 2014 20:50:26 GMT
Not taking the piss at all. If you wouldn't want him that's up to you and people who share your opinion. I've seen enough of Catermole to know he's a proper ballwinner . Not some cock who gets in peoples way a'la Whitehead, Diao and even Whelan to an extent players you watch for a good length of time and wonder what they're actually any good at. I suppose if he's such an asset that it's not clear cut as Sunderland will want to keep him? Not what I heard, they are trying to get rid of the shit and bring in better players. But when the previous manager was buying all the Sunderland rejects for over inflated fees that was OK? If Pulis was still here and in for Cattermole you'd be jizzing your undercrackers. He's better than what we've got but as others have said, his discipline and injuries are a concern. Can beggars be choosers?
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Post by alster on Jan 21, 2014 20:50:32 GMT
In just about every Way you could imagine apart from disciplinary record and squeeky clean image. fair enough then he's not going to add pace or goals Iif he scored less than Whelan or was slower I'd be fookin astounded.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jan 21, 2014 20:50:48 GMT
I take it your taking the piss - he gets more red cards every season than any other prem player. If you get sent off for good tackling then you must be right. If he was that good why would Blunderland be letting him go. He's had seven reds in 185 PL games an average of 1 red per 26 games - so that's 1.5 reds per 38 game PL season. Even if you add in a few Cup games, you might get to 2 reds a season - not a bad average for a 'tough tackling CDM'? I'm not sure this shows he gets 'more reds than any other Prem player? Ok Mr Stats - but last season he had just come back from a 3 match ban and in the first 20 mins of his return he got a straight red. So he's now not a dirty bastard when's he linked with us - I give up this argument.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 21, 2014 20:50:50 GMT
In fairness, Steve Bruce did at one point pay £6m for him, didn't he?
Whether he's matured and developed since then is another question entirely
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Post by eriksson74 on Jan 21, 2014 20:50:55 GMT
Would be happy with Cattermole, big upgrade on what we have, and is exactly what we need in the middle of the park. A tackling, ball winner, good passer and someone who will put pressure on the opposition to win the ball back. oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/page/SubscriptionsA walking red card? Most folk think Adam is a walking red card or Scholes was for the Shit. In this day and age where the FA are trying trying to outlaw tackling, an average of 1 red card a season is hardly cause for alarm. He is a player with traits that lost of folk say we are crying out for, "Hard work", "passion" and a "leader". £5m for an established English, ex under 21 premiership experienced player seems about right We need pace, creativity and more cutting edge desperately,though, so unless Peter Coates in planning on opening up the wallet again this spending could equate to our only significant piece of business in this window ( other than the Guidetti loan ). We we need more than just a defensive type midfielder. I agree we need more, but a defensive midfielder who can offer protection to a leaky back line and can also play a bit would not go a miss.
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Post by LDE76 on Jan 21, 2014 20:51:44 GMT
GOD FUKIN HELP US,,,, hughes won`t be satisfied til hes fucked us up good style,, what next sell shawcross and bego ???? then walk away ?!? Yeah. He's also going to play Palacios on his own at Sunderland, drizzle antifreeze into Coatesy's biscuit tin and falsify evidence linking Stanley Matthews to Einsatzgruppen operations in Lithuania in 1941.
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Post by alster on Jan 21, 2014 20:54:14 GMT
Last time I saw Barton play at the Brit he was the best player on the pitch despite the fact we pasted Newcastle . He,s just a horrible human being Agree. Last time he played at the Brit he had less competition for best player. He was also three years younger. Players and technique have improved considerably since then in my humble opinion. No Barton is just a good technical player. People on here seem to judge the footballer and the person as one, they're not. Barton's a good footballer and as Johan Boskamp would have said a real shieet guy.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 21, 2014 20:55:46 GMT
Wrong. Poyet brought him back into the side after the previous chump of a manager dropped him. He' rebellious. He brings his problems, BUT he will bring some passion back into the side, provide the bite missing since Whitehead left, is still relatively young, has some pace, scores more than occasionally which you will never see N'Zonzi, Whelan or Palacios do. He is not the answer to Stoke scoring problem but he will give 100% and stop some of the goal leakage. Sunderland only would sell, not to get rid but because he is one of the few players they could raise money with. (bit like Stoke!)
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Post by alster on Jan 21, 2014 20:58:49 GMT
He's had seven reds in 185 PL games an average of 1 red per 26 games - so that's 1.5 reds per 38 game PL season. Even if you add in a few Cup games, you might get to 2 reds a season - not a bad average for a 'tough tackling CDM'? I'm not sure this shows he gets 'more reds than any other Prem player? Ok Mr Stats - but last season he had just come back from a 3 match ban and in the first 20 mins of his return he got a straight red. So he's now not a dirty bastard when's he linked with us - I give up this argument. Thank god you're giving up your argument. It was proper shit. What do you expect a tough tackling midfielder to do come back from a three game ban shit scared to put a tackle in. Bit like a player coming back from injury who bottles out of every challenge, scared of a reoccurrence.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 21, 2014 21:01:06 GMT
He's an annoying, loathsome, angry, complete and utter cunter of a player. I think he will fit in well :-) Completely understand the logic behind this, as we have developed a seriously soft underbelly since the departure of the Delapidator. Absolutely can't stand the guy, which means when he's on the pitch everyone knows it. Not good when he plays against us, but in a Stoke top he has legend status potential. How old is he ? 26 in march
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Post by foster on Jan 21, 2014 21:02:06 GMT
Dogs home has reopened it seems.
I'm okay with signing him, but 2-3m would be my expert evaluation.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 21, 2014 21:03:22 GMT
Wrong. Poyet brought him back into the side after the previous chump of a manager dropped him. He' rebellious. He brings his problems, BUT he will bring some passion back into the side, provide the bite missing since Whitehead left, is still relatively young, has some pace, scores more than occasionally which you will never see N'Zonzi, Whelan or Palacios do. He is not the answer to Stoke scoring problem but he will give 100% and stop some of the goal leakage. Sunderland only would sell, not to get rid but because he is one of the few players they could raise money with. (bit like Stoke!) He's scored 0 in 104 for Sunderland
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Post by scfc5 on Jan 21, 2014 21:08:08 GMT
I think they are reading TP's 'DNA' book backwards!
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jan 21, 2014 21:08:35 GMT
Ok Mr Stats - but last season he had just come back from a 3 match ban and in the first 20 mins of his return he got a straight red. So he's now not a dirty bastard when's he linked with us - I give up this argument. Thank god you're giving up your argument. It was proper shit. What do you expect a tough tackling midfielder to do come back from a three game ban shit scared to put a tackle in. Bit like a player coming back from injury who bottles out of every challenge, scared of a reoccurrence. I take it your excited about this possible signing but can't say it would be may choice unless it was getting desperate or maybe it is! At least he's got a work permit and played football in the last 18 months not like our last 2 signings.
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