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Post by podolipotter on Jan 22, 2014 10:20:55 GMT
Cattermole????? NO, NO, NO way whatsoever!
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Post by werrington on Jan 22, 2014 10:21:14 GMT
If there's anyone here who doesn't think we desperately need a strong midfielder to shield the back four then I don't know what team you watch but it isn't Stoke City. It's something we needed last season but with our current formation it's even more important, as important as a man who can get us goals. Not saying Cattermole is the answer, I've not watched him closely enough but we are crying out for someone in the role, Whelan just isn't good enough. Yet Whelan has played much better than Nzonzi this season. How is he not good enough, i'm opening old wounds and i'm getting bored of defending Whelan but this is my last shot, honestly it is. A parting shot of sorts. I'm not going to change peoples minds, those who have always disliked Whelan and would do if he put man of the match performance after man of the match performance in, which he actually has done since coming back into the team. Sod that though yeah? Forget what you see in front of your eyes, especially if you see with your mind not your eyes. Which is what happens, minds are made up, judgements are called, "I think he's shit" so he plays well yet he's still shit and we need an "upgrade" I think a few of a supporters need an upgrade on their heads. Same thing happened all last season, Nzonzi would have a crap game, Whelan would be fantastic. No one would get on Nzonzi's back, first misplaced pass in the second half by Whelan "FUCKIN' WANK WHELAN, FUCKIN' CHAMPIONSHIP HE IS" God knows people are thick alright. What's the French for blinkered? Eh, they dunna have one. Whelan has been mint so far this season and is an integral part of our starting XI, the much needed defensive midfielder. Until the last game he played where he had a bad un, like most of our team and now all of sudden "he's shit, someone wants him? i'd drive him there meself" and other hilarious, ahem, things are being said about wanting to get rid of him. He's better than Cattermole is. Oooof, steady! Lee Cattermole, what a player. Of all the central midfielders in all the squads in all the world, why on earth are we seemingly trying to sign this clogger? Because he's better than Whelan? Yeah, right he is. Also people seem to be doubting Whelans spirit, fight, commitment. How on earth can you do that, of all our squad he's one of the most stubborn, feisty and hardworking of the bunch. That's it, i'm officially done defending Whelan. There's none so blind as fuckin' idiots. Hey, that dun't sound right. Absolutely fucking brilliant Hancock Take a bow mate
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Post by foster on Jan 22, 2014 10:23:28 GMT
Yet Whelan has played much better than Nzonzi this season. How is he not good enough, i'm opening old wounds and i'm getting bored of defending Whelan but this is my last shot, honestly it is. A parting shot of sorts. I'm not going to change peoples minds, those who have always disliked Whelan and would do if he put man of the match performance after man of the match performance in, which he actually has done since coming back into the team. Sod that though yeah? Forget what you see in front of your eyes, especially if you see with your mind not your eyes. Which is what happens, minds are made up, judgements are called, "I think he's shit" so he plays well yet he's still shit and we need an "upgrade" I think a few of a supporters need an upgrade on their heads. Same thing happened all last season, Nzonzi would have a crap game, Whelan would be fantastic. No one would get on Nzonzi's back, first misplaced pass in the second half by Whelan "FUCKIN' WANK WHELAN, FUCKIN' CHAMPIONSHIP HE IS" God knows people are thick alright. What's the French for blinkered? Eh, they dunna have one. Whelan has been mint so far this season and is an integral part of our starting XI, the much needed defensive midfielder. Until the last game he played where he had a bad un, like most of our team and now all of sudden "he's shit, someone wants him? i'd drive him there meself" and other hilarious, ahem, things are being said about wanting to get rid of him. He's better than Cattermole is. Oooof, steady! Lee Cattermole, what a player. Of all the central midfielders in all the squads in all the world, why on earth are we seemingly trying to sign this clogger? Because he's better than Whelan? Yeah, right he is. Also people seem to be doubting Whelans spirit, fight, commitment. How on earth can you do that, of all our squad he's one of the most stubborn, feisty and hardworking of the bunch. That's it, i'm officially done defending Whelan. There's none so blind as fuckin' idiots. Hey, that dun't sound right. Absolutely fucking brilliant Hancock Take a bow mate I agree. Great defence of a shit player.
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Post by chopperscfc on Jan 22, 2014 10:29:04 GMT
Nzonzi in my eyes has been pathetic, his attitude is horrendous
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Post by onemanbang on Jan 22, 2014 10:31:18 GMT
When will people realise that there is little difference between Whelan and Walters? No one doubts their work rate and tenacity but rather just see a lack of quality in this league. If we can upgrade a position to be more stronger then thats great, whether cattermole is one of them I'm not sure.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 22, 2014 10:32:54 GMT
I've always liked Cattermole the player but just putting aside his injury and disciplinary records (which absolutely HAVE to be of a concern - to ignore them is to be vary naïve) for a moment, what bothers me now, is that I haven't seen that much of him recently and reading the Sunderland message board they (almost to a man) can't believe that a figure of £5 million is being mentioned and they would rip our hands off if true. Why do so many Sunderalnd fans want to see the back of him and are gloating at it being Stoke again taking their dead wood ... they're in a relegation fight too? It'd be like Norwich coming in for Palacios, rather than Whelan, from us. There'd be a lot of people pleased to see the back of Whelan but just as many would stick up for him if he was on the way but Palacios wouldn't have much support at all. Would the Norwich fans be fools to think that the Stokies were just being twats for wanting to see the back of Palacios? It appears that we might be in the same position with Cattermole now and that does worry me. Come on Paul, you know how it is on message boards. Someone doesn't play for a few weeks and suddenly they become deadwood, a stain on the club, a money grabbing lazy worthless camel dung of a human being, but most of all, shit at football. As some of our recent acquisitions have proven, this is indeed not the case. So Palacios is actually pretty good then?
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Post by OldStokie on Jan 22, 2014 10:34:51 GMT
If there's anyone here who doesn't think we desperately need a strong midfielder to shield the back four then I don't know what team you watch but it isn't Stoke City. It's something we needed last season but with our current formation it's even more important, as important as a man who can get us goals. Not saying Cattermole is the answer, I've not watched him closely enough but we are crying out for someone in the role, Whelan just isn't good enough. Yet Whelan has played much better than Nzonzi this season. How is he not good enough, i'm opening old wounds and i'm getting bored of defending Whelan but this is my last shot, honestly it is. A parting shot of sorts. I'm not going to change peoples minds, those who have always disliked Whelan and would do if he put man of the match performance after man of the match performance in, which he actually has done since coming back into the team. Sod that though yeah? Forget what you see in front of your eyes, especially if you see with your mind not your eyes. Which is what happens, minds are made up, judgements are called, "I think he's shit" so he plays well yet he's still shit and we need an "upgrade" I think a few of a supporters need an upgrade on their heads. Same thing happened all last season, Nzonzi would have a crap game, Whelan would be fantastic. No one would get on Nzonzi's back, first misplaced pass in the second half by Whelan "FUCKIN' WANK WHELAN, FUCKIN' CHAMPIONSHIP HE IS" God knows people are thick alright. What's the French for blinkered? Eh, they dunna have one. Whelan has been mint so far this season and is an integral part of our starting XI, the much needed defensive midfielder. Until the last game he played where he had a bad un, like most of our team and now all of sudden "he's shit, someone wants him? i'd drive him there meself" and other hilarious, ahem, things are being said about wanting to get rid of him. He's better than Cattermole is. In my opinion. Oooof, steady! Lee Cattermole, what a player. Of all the central midfielders in all the squads in all the world, why on earth are we seemingly trying to sign this clogger? Because he's better than Whelan? Yeah, right he is. Also people seem to be doubting Whelans spirit, fight, commitment. How on earth can you do that, of all of our squad he is one of the most stubborn, feisty and hardworking of the bunch. That's it, i'm officially done defending Whelan. There's none so blind as fuckin' idiots. Hey, that dun't sound right. Couldn't agree more. He does tend to misplace a few passes, but, for me, he's never been the devil incarnate some make him out to be. When he pulls on the red and white shirt, he never gives less than his all, and, IMHO, he's a far better player than Cattermole. Cattermole! How many games can we afford to have players missing, because this guy is guaranteed to get twice as many red cards as Whelan. This one I don't understand, but I reckon if this is the type of player we're looking to bring in then we may as well have kept Pulis at the helm. OS.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 22, 2014 10:36:18 GMT
The Whelan v Cattermole v N'Zonzi debate will run and run, but Cattermole v Edu, Ness and Palacios(?) No competition. Cattermole is better.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 22, 2014 10:36:58 GMT
Whelan is limited, mainly lack of pace but Cattermole is similarly slow and has much poorer touch and passing ability than Whelan, how he could possibly be the answer to our problems I don't know. Move Cameron to midfield and get a right back makes more sense. If we want to play more football buy footballers for godness sake not throwbacks to another age when you could tackle without fear
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 22, 2014 10:37:50 GMT
Yet Whelan has played much better than Nzonzi this season. How is he not good enough, i'm opening old wounds and i'm getting bored of defending Whelan but this is my last shot, honestly it is. A parting shot of sorts. I'm not going to change peoples minds, those who have always disliked Whelan and would do if he put man of the match performance after man of the match performance in, which he actually has done since coming back into the team. Sod that though yeah? Forget what you see in front of your eyes, especially if you see with your mind not your eyes. Which is what happens, minds are made up, judgements are called, "I think he's shit" so he plays well yet he's still shit and we need an "upgrade" I think a few of a supporters need an upgrade on their heads. Same thing happened all last season, Nzonzi would have a crap game, Whelan would be fantastic. No one would get on Nzonzi's back, first misplaced pass in the second half by Whelan "FUCKIN' WANK WHELAN, FUCKIN' CHAMPIONSHIP HE IS" God knows people are thick alright. What's the French for blinkered? Eh, they dunna have one. Whelan has been mint so far this season and is an integral part of our starting XI, the much needed defensive midfielder. Until the last game he played where he had a bad un, like most of our team and now all of sudden "he's shit, someone wants him? i'd drive him there meself" and other hilarious, ahem, things are being said about wanting to get rid of him. He's better than Cattermole is. In my opinion. Oooof, steady! Lee Cattermole, what a player. Of all the central midfielders in all the squads in all the world, why on earth are we seemingly trying to sign this clogger? Because he's better than Whelan? Yeah, right he is. Also people seem to be doubting Whelans spirit, fight, commitment. How on earth can you do that, of all of our squad he is one of the most stubborn, feisty and hardworking of the bunch. That's it, i'm officially done defending Whelan. There's none so blind as fuckin' idiots. Hey, that dun't sound right. Couldn't agree more. He does tend to misplace a few passes, but, for me, he's never been the devil incarnate some make him out to be. When he pulls on the red and white shirt, he never gives less than his all, and, IMHO, he's a far better player than Cattermole. Cattermole! How many games can we afford to have players missing, because this guy is guaranteed to get twice as many red cards as Whelan. This one I don't understand, but I reckon if this is the type of player we're looking to bring in then we may as well have kept Pulis at the helm. OS. Agree, a Pulis palyer if ever there was one but completely at odds with what we need
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Post by paulinespens on Jan 22, 2014 10:39:09 GMT
I should have put one of these on my post Yes, of course you did (rollyeyesthingymebob) Only after the Vale bit though.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jan 22, 2014 10:42:57 GMT
He runs like he's had an 'accident' in his shorts and wears his shirt tucked in. He's a throwback to the 60s and not what will get our pulses racing. No doubt he's got a big heart but this is so underwhelming I might have to lie down.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 10:44:07 GMT
The more I think about it the less sense it makes.
Originally I thought that Cattermole might be a Whelan clone, but a little better on the ball (though his passing was being slated during a Sunderland match on 5live recently). But when you weigh it all up it would be £5m wasted. £2m to add greater squad depth, fine - any more than that, no.
Unless the Whelan to Celtic whisper from a few weeks ago has legs, or did I dream that?
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 22, 2014 10:46:30 GMT
Pointless signing. Anybody saying/thinking that he's better than Whelan is deluding themselves.
Whelan, after our centre backs and goalkeeper, is the last person we should looking to replace in my opinion. N'Zonzi may be better technically but he plays within himself and is ill disciplined. Whelan has pissed all over N'Zonzi in terms of performance since he came back into the side. And that isn't an opinion.
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Post by foster on Jan 22, 2014 10:51:29 GMT
Come on Paul, you know how it is on message boards. Someone doesn't play for a few weeks and suddenly they become deadwood, a stain on the club, a money grabbing lazy worthless camel dung of a human being, but most of all, shit at football. As some of our recent acquisitions have proven, this is indeed not the case. So Palacios is actually pretty good then? Great example, but I was thinking more about Assaidi and Ireland. I also stated 'recent' which Palacios is not.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 22, 2014 11:01:47 GMT
So Palacios is actually pretty good then? Great example, but I was thinking more about Assaidi and Ireland. I also stated 'recent' which Palacios is not. You're missing my point mate. There would be a fair few Stokies sticking up for Assaidi or Ireland or Whelan or (even) Walters if they were offski but hardly anybody would be sticking up for Palacios. Like hardly any of the Sunderland fans are sticking up for Cattermole. You can't just dismiss ALL of them as being wrong, it would be very similar to fans of another club suggesting that ALL Stokies were wrong about Palacios, if there was a chance of him joining their club. I used to think Cattermole was a pretty decent player but maybe (actually probably) he isn't anymore, just like Palacios isn't anymore ... there were Spurs fans laughing at us when we signed him but we all knew better at the time (of course).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 11:12:24 GMT
So we could pay 5M for a bloke that is not much better than the player he's replacing, who incidentally cost 10 times less?
You could get a mobile destroyer who is intelligent from Ligue 1 for less than that.
What are our scouts doing?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 22, 2014 11:13:26 GMT
Great example, but I was thinking more about Assaidi and Ireland. I also stated 'recent' which Palacios is not. You're missing my point mate. There would be a fair few Stokies sticking up for Assaidi or Ireland or Whelan or (even) Walters if they were offski but hardly anybody would be sticking up for Palacios. Like hardly any of the Sunderland fans are sticking up for Cattermole. You can't just dismiss ALL of them as being wrong, it would be very similar to fans of another club suggesting that ALL Stokies were wrong about Palacios, if there was a chance of him joining their club. I used to think Cattermole was a pretty decent player but maybe (actually probably) he isn't anymore, just like Palacios isn't anymore ... there were Spurs fans laughing at us when we signed him but we all knew better at the time (of course). You're right, Paul but surely to compare Cattermole going off the boil at Sunderland and what happened to Palacios is not very fair on the lad. As you say I think he's been a good player as well but it does seem to have gone wrong for him lately but surely it's something a fresh start could sort out which is completely different to the Palacios example? I would say (on form) he is better than any of the midfield destroyers we have here and I can see why Hughes would look at him. We spend a lot more time on the ball but struggle to score, we subsequently give the ball away with players in advanced positions and then it's like a hot knife through butter as the other team counter attacks. As much as we need pace and goals we need to protect the back four as well and I think Cattermole could do that job. He will need good management to steer him in the right direction but obviously Hughes has confidence in his ability to do just that.
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Post by kitkatkev on Jan 22, 2014 11:14:22 GMT
How many times was fuller sent off
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jan 22, 2014 11:20:44 GMT
So we could pay 5M for a bloke that is not much better than the player he's replacing, who incidentally cost 10 times less? You could get a mobile destroyer who is intelligent from Ligue 1 for less than that. What are our scouts doing?This is a key point for me. Everything was supposed to have changed with the change in manager, philosophy and scouting structure, yet we are still after the same players that Pulis would have purchased, namely Sunderland rejects. It is flabbergasting, it really is.
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Post by Gods on Jan 22, 2014 11:26:04 GMT
Think we need some steel right now for the run in.
In fact I think we are gone without it.
Cattermole would be a nice antidote to the fur coat and no knickers brigade we have largely recruited so far under the new regime.
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Post by cymap on Jan 22, 2014 11:26:57 GMT
How many times was fuller sent off 9 .....I think
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 22, 2014 11:28:05 GMT
You're missing my point mate. There would be a fair few Stokies sticking up for Assaidi or Ireland or Whelan or (even) Walters if they were offski but hardly anybody would be sticking up for Palacios. Like hardly any of the Sunderland fans are sticking up for Cattermole. You can't just dismiss ALL of them as being wrong, it would be very similar to fans of another club suggesting that ALL Stokies were wrong about Palacios, if there was a chance of him joining their club. I used to think Cattermole was a pretty decent player but maybe (actually probably) he isn't anymore, just like Palacios isn't anymore ... there were Spurs fans laughing at us when we signed him but we all knew better at the time (of course). You're right, Paul but surely to compare Cattermole going off the boil at Sunderland and what happened to Palacios is not very fair on the lad. As you say I think he's been a good player as well but it does seem to have gone wrong for him lately but surely it's something a fresh start could sort out which is completely different to the Palacios example? I would say (on form) he is better than any of the midfield destroyers we have here and I can see why Hughes would look at him. We spend a lot more time on the ball but struggle to score, we subsequently give the ball away with players in advanced positions and then it's like a hot knife through butter as the other team counter attacks. As much as we need pace and goals we need to protect the back four as well and I think Cattermole could do that job. He will need good management to steer him in the right direction but obviously Hughes has confidence in his ability to do just that. I'm not comparing Cattermole's situation to Palacios' specific situation mate (although I accept it might seem that way). The point is that ALL (well at lest most) of the Sunderland fans will be pleased to see the back of him, even you yourself have had to qualify your positive comments about him by saying when he's 'on form'. If he was 'on form' some of the time lately, then don't you think there would be at least some Sunderland fans sticking up for him? We've taken plenty of 'flyers' on players who've lost their way under Pulis and we've ended up with a squad full of dead wood. He might come good here but based on how many Sunderland fans want to see the back of him, then surely there's every chance that he might not come good here either. If we were taking a chance on a player of a real pedigree from a top six club or a top European side then I'd STILL be having my doubts about it but we're not here are we and I really thought we moved on from this sort of thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 11:30:45 GMT
Yet Whelan has played much better than Nzonzi this season. How is he not good enough, i'm opening old wounds and i'm getting bored of defending Whelan but this is my last shot, honestly it is. A parting shot of sorts. I'm not going to change peoples minds, those who have always disliked Whelan and would do if he put man of the match performance after man of the match performance in, which he actually has done since coming back into the team. Sod that though yeah? Forget what you see in front of your eyes, especially if you see with your mind not your eyes. Which is what happens, minds are made up, judgements are called, "I think he's shit" so he plays well yet he's still shit and we need an "upgrade" I think a few of a supporters need an upgrade on their heads. Same thing happened all last season, Nzonzi would have a crap game, Whelan would be fantastic. No one would get on Nzonzi's back, first misplaced pass in the second half by Whelan "FUCKIN' WANK WHELAN, FUCKIN' CHAMPIONSHIP HE IS" God knows people are thick alright. What's the French for blinkered? Eh, they dunna have one. Whelan has been mint so far this season and is an integral part of our starting XI, the much needed defensive midfielder. Until the last game he played where he had a bad un, like most of our team and now all of sudden "he's shit, someone wants him? i'd drive him there meself" and other hilarious, ahem, things are being said about wanting to get rid of him. He's better than Cattermole is. In my opinion. Oooof, steady! Lee Cattermole, what a player. Of all the central midfielders in all the squads in all the world, why on earth are we seemingly trying to sign this clogger? Because he's better than Whelan? Yeah, right he is. Also people seem to be doubting Whelans spirit, fight, commitment. How on earth can you do that, of all of our squad he is one of the most stubborn, feisty and hardworking of the bunch. That's it, i'm officially done defending Whelan. There's none so blind as fuckin' idiots. Hey, that dun't sound right. Couldn't agree more. He does tend to misplace a few passes, but, for me, he's never been the devil incarnate some make him out to be. When he pulls on the red and white shirt, he never gives less than his all, and, IMHO, he's a far better player than Cattermole. Cattermole! How many games can we afford to have players missing, because this guy is guaranteed to get twice as many red cards as Whelan. This one I don't understand, but I reckon if this is the type of player we're looking to bring in then we may as well have kept Pulis at the helm. OS. Much like my post earlier. Get thee tin hat on owd.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 22, 2014 11:31:56 GMT
You're right, Paul but surely to compare Cattermole going off the boil at Sunderland and what happened to Palacios is not very fair on the lad. As you say I think he's been a good player as well but it does seem to have gone wrong for him lately but surely it's something a fresh start could sort out which is completely different to the Palacios example? I would say (on form) he is better than any of the midfield destroyers we have here and I can see why Hughes would look at him. We spend a lot more time on the ball but struggle to score, we subsequently give the ball away with players in advanced positions and then it's like a hot knife through butter as the other team counter attacks. As much as we need pace and goals we need to protect the back four as well and I think Cattermole could do that job. He will need good management to steer him in the right direction but obviously Hughes has confidence in his ability to do just that. I'm not comparing Cattermole's situation to Palacios' specific situation mate (although I accept it might seem that way). The point is that NONE (well hardly any) of the Sunderland fans won't be pleased to see the back of him, even you yourself have had to qualify your positive comments about him by saying when he's 'on form'. If he was 'on form' some of the time lately, then don't you think their would be at least some Sunderland fans sticking up for him? We've taken plenty of 'flyers' on players who've lost their way under Pulis and we've ended up with a squad full of dead wood. He might come good here but based on how many Sunderland fans want to see the back of him, then surely there's every chance that he might not come good here either. If we were taking a chance on a player of a real pedigree from a top six club or a top European side then I'd STILL be having my doubts about it but we're not here are we and I really thought we moved on from this sort of thing. I know you're not comparing directly, mate but I just think there was probably little or no chance of Palacios turning the corner after everything that has gone on whereas with Cattermole it just seems quite normal that a player goes stale and his supporters don't want him anymore as we have seen countless times before. I'm not aware of any major upheaval in his life so at least you'd think a change of environment could (possibly) turn things around for him. It might not of course but he is still young enough to revitalise his career and if (and it's a big "if") he can we could have just what our midfield needs. It could of course all go horribly wrong and he's suspended more than he plays...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 22, 2014 11:38:46 GMT
I'm not comparing Cattermole's situation to Palacios' specific situation mate (although I accept it might seem that way). The point is that NONE (well hardly any) of the Sunderland fans won't be pleased to see the back of him, even you yourself have had to qualify your positive comments about him by saying when he's 'on form'. If he was 'on form' some of the time lately, then don't you think their would be at least some Sunderland fans sticking up for him? We've taken plenty of 'flyers' on players who've lost their way under Pulis and we've ended up with a squad full of dead wood. He might come good here but based on how many Sunderland fans want to see the back of him, then surely there's every chance that he might not come good here either. If we were taking a chance on a player of a real pedigree from a top six club or a top European side then I'd STILL be having my doubts about it but we're not here are we and I really thought we moved on from this sort of thing. I know you're not comparing directly, mate but I just think there was probably little or no chance of Palacios turning the corner after everything that has gone on whereas with Cattermole it just seems quite normal that a player goes stale and his supporters don't want him anymore as we have seen countless times before. I'm not aware of any major upheaval in his life so at least you'd think a change of environment could (possibly) turn things around for him. It might not of course but he is still young enough to revitalise his career and if (and it's a big "if") he can we could have just what our midfield needs. It could of course all go horribly wrong and he's suspended more than he plays... Forget Palacios he's irrelevant to my point. The point I'm making is about the sheer volume of Sunderland fans who aren't even giving Cattermole the time of day, that concerns me chap. If he was a player coming from a much better side than us, then it becomes more of a grey area because the fans of that club would have different expectations to us but in this example, we're talking about a player coming from a club BELOW us in the table who are one of the favourites for relegation, couple this with his disciplinary and injury records and I'm gobsmacked that some people aren't a little more hesitiant about whether this would be a good signing or not.
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Post by devondumpling on Jan 22, 2014 11:40:35 GMT
If anybody bothered to read the thread on the Sunderland board, you will find more than a few think Cattermole is their best midfielder (a bit like the blinkered Whelan brigade) and just the guy to have while trying to scrap out of a relegation battle. Maybe Leslie fancies 2 holding midfielders, and his passing cannot be anyworse than Nonzi. The only reason for getting rid, is that he does not suit Poyet's way of playing is will be replaced by a cheaper dubious Sussex Sliced bread. So far Poyet seems to be doing us a great job by signing total unknowns from foreign leagues and potentially weakening the side. As many on the Sunderland board said, why on earth sell him to a relegation rival.
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Post by devondumpling on Jan 22, 2014 11:43:10 GMT
If anybody bothered to read the thread on the Sunderland board, you will find more than a few think Cattermole is their best midfielder (a bit like the blinkered Whelan brigade) and just the guy to have while trying to scrap out of a relegation battle. Maybe Leslie fancies 2 holding midfielders, and his passing cannot be anyworse than Nonzi. The only reason for getting rid, is that he does not suit Poyet's way of playing is will be replaced by a cheaper dubious Sussex Sliced bread. So far Poyet seems to be doing us a great job by signing total unknowns from foreign leagues and potentially weakening the side. As many on the Sunderland board said, why on earth sell him to a relegation rival.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 22, 2014 11:44:38 GMT
Question: Has this article been planted to deflect everyone's attention from what Stoke are really up to?
If so it has certainly attracted a lot of attention in the last 16 hours.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 22, 2014 11:45:20 GMT
I know you're not comparing directly, mate but I just think there was probably little or no chance of Palacios turning the corner after everything that has gone on whereas with Cattermole it just seems quite normal that a player goes stale and his supporters don't want him anymore as we have seen countless times before. I'm not aware of any major upheaval in his life so at least you'd think a change of environment could (possibly) turn things around for him. It might not of course but he is still young enough to revitalise his career and if (and it's a big "if") he can we could have just what our midfield needs. It could of course all go horribly wrong and he's suspended more than he plays... Forget Palacios he's irrelevant to my point. The point I'm making is about the sheer volume of Sunderland fans who aren't even giving Cattermole the time of day, that concerns me chap. If he was a player coming from a much better side than us, then it becomes more of a grey area because the fans of that club would have different expectations to us but in this example, we're talking about a player coming from a club BELOW us in the table who are one of the favourites for relegation, couple this with his disciplinary and injury records and I'm gobsmacked that some people aren't little more hesitiant about whether this would be a good signing or not. I'm hesitant, Paul but I'm also mindful of two things. 1) he's better than we've got (in my opinion) 2) it's now clearer than ever that our hopes and dreams regarding transfers are just that and there's something very wrong at the club where recruitment is concerned. I've long since given up on the hope of signing exciting (quality) foreign talent from overseas leagues and I'm expecting us to trawl through the cast offs and look for knock down deals (I don't expect the initial fee to be even close to £5m for LC).
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