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Post by harryburrows on Dec 18, 2013 21:37:48 GMT
Hope his groin problem isn't serious , if it is we are in for some fun
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Shawcross
Dec 18, 2013 21:39:55 GMT
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Post by Ayupshag on Dec 18, 2013 21:39:55 GMT
If he's out as well as huth we're fucked
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Dec 18, 2013 21:42:04 GMT
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Post by dieguito88 on Dec 18, 2013 21:42:04 GMT
I'll go for a wilkinson - Wilson CD partnership
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Post by 1982stokie on Dec 18, 2013 21:48:29 GMT
Major worry if he is out would go
Wilko Camron Wilson Peitiers if he is out
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Post by Gods on Dec 18, 2013 21:51:27 GMT
Major worry if he is out would go Wilko Camron Wilson Peitiers if he is out I imagine that is what we will go against the old Villa. I'm really struggling to think how this evening could have gone any worse
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Post by Clem Fandango on Dec 18, 2013 21:52:14 GMT
The end of the day it was only a cup match so we probably took him off as a precaution with Huth out Hughes isn't stupid enough to risk it.
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Post by Han Solo on Dec 18, 2013 21:55:29 GMT
We need him with a busy Xmas period ahead. I'd go with
GCam.........Wilson......Eric..........Muniesa
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Dec 18, 2013 21:56:17 GMT
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Post by stokiejoe on Dec 18, 2013 21:56:17 GMT
The end of the day it was only a cup match so we probably took him off as a precaution with Huth out Hughes isn't stupid enough to risk it. Hope you are right, but it does show we need more than a striker. A right back would give us better cover. Don't rate Assaidi far too weak.
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Dec 18, 2013 21:57:12 GMT
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Post by stokiejoe on Dec 18, 2013 21:57:12 GMT
We need him with a busy Xmas period ahead. I'd go with GCam.........Wilson......Eric..........Muniesa So would I.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 18, 2013 22:00:30 GMT
As far as actual defending goes that is a scary back four !
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Post by Clem Fandango on Dec 18, 2013 22:06:15 GMT
The end of the day it was only a cup match so we probably took him off as a precaution with Huth out Hughes isn't stupid enough to risk it. Hope you are right, but it does show we need more than a striker. A right back would give us better cover. Don't rate Assaidi far too weak. If Shawcross is out then I would agree a defender should be on the cards however how many centre halves or right backs can we afford to have on our books though? At the moment we have RB- Wilko, Cameron CB- Shawcross, Huth, Wilson LB Pieters, Munisea Wilson can play anywhere across the back four so that gives us 3x RB and 3x LB and Munisea, Pieters and Cameron can play CB which gives us 6 options for CB. I very much subscribe to the philosophy of bringing in players to challenge to the first team and not squad fillers (of which we've had too many in recent years). Now if we bring in a new RB then use Cameron in the middle to fill in for Shawcross or Huth if both are fit Cameron doesn't play and whilst his positioning at times is questionable he does off a lot going forward and has been our most consistent attacking threat. A loan might be more favourable but I'm not sure who we could attract better than the options we have if they might not be guaranteed playing time. Its a conundrum
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Post by Peters Pipe on Dec 18, 2013 22:07:25 GMT
The end of the day it was only a cup match so we probably took him off as a precaution with Huth out Hughes isn't stupid enough to risk it. Let's hope so
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Post by jbstokie on Dec 18, 2013 22:08:30 GMT
If Shawcross is injured we are well and truly fucked.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2013 22:08:31 GMT
I'd go for Whelan at right back, Palacios at centre back errrrrrr no, I mean, errrr..........
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Post by Peters Pipe on Dec 18, 2013 22:08:37 GMT
Hope you are right, but it does show we need more than a striker. A right back would give us better cover. Don't rate Assaidi far too weak. If Shawcross is out then I would agree a defender should be on the cards however how many centre halves or right backs can we afford to have on our books though? At the moment we have RB- Wilko, Cameron CB- Shawcross, Huth, Wilson LB Pieters, Munisea Wilson can play anywhere across the back four so that gives us 3x RB and 3x LB and Munisea, Pieters and Cameron can play CB which gives us 6 options for CB. I very much subscribe to the philosophy of bringing in players to challenge to the first team and not squad fillers (of which we've had too many in recent years). Now if we bring in a new RB then use Cameron in the middle to fill in for Shawcross or Huth if both are fit Cameron doesn't play and whilst his positioning at times is questionable he does off a lot going forward and has been our most consistent attacking threat. A loan might be more favourable but I'm not sure who we could attract better than the options we have if they might not be guaranteed playing time. Its a conundrum Is it just me who thinks there's some kind of perverse humour in the fact we used to be bereft of Full Backs and over-loaded with centre halves, and now it's the bloody opposite!
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Dec 18, 2013 22:08:45 GMT
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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 18, 2013 22:08:45 GMT
Wilko gcam wilson muni Cdm
Best pairing imo.
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 18, 2013 22:09:30 GMT
The end of the day it was only a cup match so we probably took him off as a precaution with Huth out Hughes isn't stupid enough to risk it. Hope you are right, but it does show we need more than a striker. A right back would give us better cover. Don't rate Assaidi far too weak. I'm afraid you're right about Assaidi as he looked terribly weak tonight!
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Dec 18, 2013 22:10:49 GMT
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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 18, 2013 22:10:49 GMT
If Shawcross is out then I would agree a defender should be on the cards however how many centre halves or right backs can we afford to have on our books though? At the moment we have RB- Wilko, Cameron CB- Shawcross, Huth, Wilson LB Pieters, Munisea Wilson can play anywhere across the back four so that gives us 3x RB and 3x LB and Munisea, Pieters and Cameron can play CB which gives us 6 options for CB. I very much subscribe to the philosophy of bringing in players to challenge to the first team and not squad fillers (of which we've had too many in recent years). Now if we bring in a new RB then use Cameron in the middle to fill in for Shawcross or Huth if both are fit Cameron doesn't play and whilst his positioning at times is questionable he does off a lot going forward and has been our most consistent attacking threat. A loan might be more favourable but I'm not sure who we could attract better than the options we have if they might not be guaranteed playing time. Its a conundrum Is it just me who thinks there's some kind of perverse humour in the fact we used to be bereft of Full Backs and over-loaded with centre halves, and now it's the bloody opposite! Quite comical really for a PL club to not really have a designated cb for cover on the books like Upson or Woodgate.. Bad roster management under both managers.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 18, 2013 22:11:37 GMT
Muniesa has clearly established he isnt ready for it yet and without Ryan or Huthy he will be horribly exposed.
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Dec 18, 2013 22:15:19 GMT
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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 18, 2013 22:15:19 GMT
This is where squad players much like the seniors on the bench we didn't replace in the summer come to hurt us... who we gonna call
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Dec 18, 2013 22:16:17 GMT
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Post by stokiejoe on Dec 18, 2013 22:16:17 GMT
Hope you are right, but it does show we need more than a striker. A right back would give us better cover. Don't rate Assaidi far too weak. If Shawcross is out then I would agree a defender should be on the cards however how many centre halves or right backs can we afford to have on our books though? At the moment we have RB- Wilko, Cameron CB- Shawcross, Huth, Wilson LB Pieters, Munisea Wilson can play anywhere across the back four so that gives us 3x RB and 3x LB and Munisea, Pieters and Cameron can play CB which gives us 6 options for CB. I very much subscribe to the philosophy of bringing in players to challenge to the first team and not squad fillers (of which we've had too many in recent years). Now if we bring in a new RB then use Cameron in the middle to fill in for Shawcross or Huth if both are fit Cameron doesn't play and whilst his positioning at times is questionable he does off a lot going forward and has been our most consistent attacking threat. A loan might be more favourable but I'm not sure who we could attract better than the options we have if they might not be guaranteed playing time. Its a conundrum I would wish to see a specialist RB, Cameron has done very well but I would like to see him in midfield. Wilko sadly is not up to it neither is Wilson at right back. A Micah Richards type would make our back four very solid.
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Dec 18, 2013 22:17:17 GMT
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Post by ursems2boots on Dec 18, 2013 22:17:17 GMT
I'd go for Whelan at right back, Palacios at centre back errrrrrr no, I mean, errrr..........
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 18, 2013 22:36:48 GMT
Every option is poor really.
Suppose it'd have to be Pieters or Cameron, with Muniesa or Wilko coming in.
Can't really see much beyond Wilko-Cam-Wilson-Pieters
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2013 22:39:16 GMT
Short memories on here.
When Huth got injured everyone was saying we were fucked. Wilson has stepped up and been brilliant though.
If Ryan is out then I'm sure Cameron (who has been fantastic) can step in and Wilko can fill in at right back.
I'm a huge Shawcross fan but some of the shyte I see on here is unreal. Wilson and Cameron were fantastic today.
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Post by Han Solo on Dec 18, 2013 22:44:41 GMT
Short memories on here. When Huth got injured everyone was saying we were fucked. Wilson has stepped up and been brilliant though. If Ryan is out then I'm sure Cameron (who has been fantastic) can step in and Wilko can fill in at right back. I'm a huge Shawcross fan but some of the shyte I see on here is unreal. Wilson and Cameron were fantastic today. Well said I like Ryan but there are times he frustrates me with his ball skills and punts out of play. Wed defo miss his defensive play though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2013 22:45:15 GMT
I won't profess to know anything about things of a medical nature however we do seem to be picking up more injuries recently than we have done for a while.
Is this purely bad luck or is it something to do with something else that i don't understand? Like training methods or such like? I'm not a doctor! Doctor doctor, I've swallowed my pocket money! Take this and we'll see if there's any change in the morning.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Dec 18, 2013 22:53:18 GMT
I won't profess to know anything about things of a medical nature however we do seem to be picking up more injuries recently than we have done for a while. Is this purely bad luck or is it something to do with something else that i don't understand? Like training methods or such like? I'm not a doctor! Doctor doctor, I've swallowed my pocket money! Take this and we'll see if there's any change in the morning. Doctor, doctor I've got a bad side. Wait a few weeks till January and it might improve then
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 19, 2013 0:00:18 GMT
It looked precautionary but for Ryan to go down to start with is always a worry. I can see him missing Villa and being back for the Christmas games.
And it has to be Cameron shifted inside with Wilko to right back.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 19, 2013 0:21:31 GMT
Until he went off his performance was absolutely immaculate.
He was head and shoulders above any other defender on the pitch tonight and by far and away the best English player on show from both teams (though Jones looked better in midfield than I've ever seen him look defensively).
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Post by lastoftheldk on Dec 19, 2013 0:23:35 GMT
Wilson was better
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