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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 10:03:54 GMT
What is Eric's track record at centre half? How many top level games has he played there? For me you have to go with the two international centre backs, Wilko Cameron Wilson Eric If not there is no point in retaining Wilko What if Geoff gets injured?
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Post by sufolkstokie on Dec 20, 2013 10:04:37 GMT
Cameron hints that Shawcross was just taken off as precautionary and he expects him to be fine for Satdee
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Post by polofrance on Dec 20, 2013 10:17:10 GMT
Camerons one booking away from suspension as well
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 20, 2013 10:20:09 GMT
What is Eric's track record at centre half? How many top level games has he played there? For me you have to go with the two international centre backs, Wilko Cameron Wilson Eric I have no idea. But beyond the odd decent ball in he's doing absolutely sod all for me at full back. He's not blown me away mate but we saw how much better than Muniesa he is there, last Saturday night.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 20, 2013 10:46:58 GMT
Pieters needs to get forward more. I think he's defensively sound but he doesn't like going past the halfway line. He might be under instruction but if it is down to instruction Muniesa ignores them, I wish Pieters would.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 10:49:07 GMT
I have no idea. But beyond the odd decent ball in he's doing absolutely sod all for me at full back. He's not blown me away mate but we saw how much better than Muniesa he is there, last Saturday night. Depends if that's all we're judging him on.
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Dec 20, 2013 11:04:06 GMT
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Post by stokiejoe on Dec 20, 2013 11:04:06 GMT
If not there is no point in retaining Wilko What if Geoff gets injured? But Ryan is injured so why would we not play him. We need an additional RB in any event.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 11:05:42 GMT
What if Geoff gets injured? But Ryan is injured so why would we not play him. We need an additional RB in any event. Because Geoff is a better option at rb than anywhere else and an important part of our attacking play?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 11:10:34 GMT
But Ryan is injured so why would we not play him. We need an additional RB in any event. Because Geoff is a better option at rb than anywhere else and an important part of our attacking play? totally agree Rob...with Wilko at RB you get someone who can defend (and guarantee a nice yellow card virtually every game) but with him there instead of Geoff, then our entire attack down the right hand side stops so a completely new setup and strategy is then needed. far too much of an upheaval to the rest of the team nowadays to bring Wilko in unless absolutely necessary
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 20, 2013 11:17:46 GMT
Wilko came on the other week (I forget who against) and actually attacked quite well. He always linked up well with Pennant too. Of course his crossing isn't as good but up until a few months ago Cameron was the worst crosser of a football I'd seen in quite some time. But to be fair to him it's improved massively in the space of a few months.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Dec 20, 2013 11:35:39 GMT
We have a squad full of defenders - it might make us a bit quicker at the back, Wilson has been an improvement in that area. So we let in two we just have to score three!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 12:20:55 GMT
Full backs are the most important attacking players in our system. They give us width.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 20, 2013 13:04:42 GMT
When we had Wilko on the right and Wilson on the left for periods of last season, Wilko as the much more attacking fullback. As usual people are paying him a huge disservice.
You here these glib statements that he 'lets us down'. List the games where he actually has and you wont actually need to count past two.
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Post by kingstokie on Dec 20, 2013 13:41:23 GMT
Matt Sandoz ?@mattsandoz1 1m
Stoke City captain Ryan Shawcross hasn't trained and will have a fitness test tomorrow.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 20, 2013 13:44:22 GMT
Who'll be Captain tomorrow?
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Post by stokeramblers on Dec 20, 2013 13:45:44 GMT
Whelan
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Dec 20, 2013 18:15:52 GMT
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Post by stokiejoe on Dec 20, 2013 18:15:52 GMT
But Ryan is injured so why would we VGnot play him. We need an additional RB in any event. Because Geoff is a better option at rb than anywhere else and an important part of our attacking play? So we bring Muni in as left back? What we do if and when Geoff is injured is hyperthetical, Ryan not playing is a distinct possibility. My question was if Wilko is not considered good enough as a right back, why keep him. Geoff is a CB who is playing as a right back ( very well as it happens). I accept he is a better attacking option but we were considering making our defence secure.
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Post by harryburrows on Dec 20, 2013 18:22:05 GMT
Give me wilco every time over muniesa
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Post by lordb on Dec 20, 2013 18:58:08 GMT
I wouldn't have any issue with Muniesa playing in midfield tomorrow & maybe his poor performance at Left Back last week was just a bad game but I'm more convinced than ever that he not a centre back.
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Post by harryburrows on Dec 20, 2013 19:01:02 GMT
I wouldn't have any issue with Muniesa playing in midfield tomorrow & maybe his poor performance at Left Back last week was just a bad game but I'm more convinced than ever that he not a centre back. Not sure he's even a defender per se , he is undoubtably a good player so midfield would be an option
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Post by Clem Fandango on Dec 20, 2013 19:29:32 GMT
For me Wilko is a decent squad player (as a stoke fan he's living the dream and I doubt he'll make any waves and will no doubt be happy to sit on the bench) and like its been said he's rarely let us down when he's been bought in.
If Wilko is bought in for a few games then I think he'll do okay. I do wonder though if the 'Pieters not attacking/ supporting the winger further up the pitch' thing is more a tactical decision rather than Pieters' decision. At the start of the season he did roam further up the pitch and perhaps when we started to ship goals for fun Hughes decided to keep one of the two fullbacks back. Now if he bought Wilko in Pieters might be the one to roam further up the pitch with Wilko staying back.
Just a thought.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 19:42:11 GMT
For me Wilko is a decent squad player (as a stoke fan he's living the dream and I doubt he'll make any waves and will no doubt be happy to sit on the bench) and like its been said he's rarely let us down when he's been bought in. If Wilko is bought in for a few games then I think he'll do okay. I do wonder though if the 'Pieters not attacking/ supporting the winger further up the pitch' thing is more a tactical decision rather than Pieters' decision. At the start of the season he did roam further up the pitch and perhaps when we started to ship goals for fun Hughes decided to keep one of the two fullbacks back. Now if he bought Wilko in Pieters might be the one to roam further up the pitch with Wilko staying back. Just a thought. Bit of a kick in the teeth keeping Wilko on the bench the other night. If that ain't a 'you're not in my plans' much, if at all action then I don't know what is. Personally under Hughes I think Wilko is done for under Hughes and yet we're a team crying out for steel and passion.
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Dec 20, 2013 20:15:21 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 20, 2013 20:15:21 GMT
For me Wilko is a decent squad player (as a stoke fan he's living the dream and I doubt he'll make any waves and will no doubt be happy to sit on the bench) and like its been said he's rarely let us down when he's been bought in. If Wilko is bought in for a few games then I think he'll do okay. I do wonder though if the 'Pieters not attacking/ supporting the winger further up the pitch' thing is more a tactical decision rather than Pieters' decision. At the start of the season he did roam further up the pitch and perhaps when we started to ship goals for fun Hughes decided to keep one of the two fullbacks back. Now if he bought Wilko in Pieters might be the one to roam further up the pitch with Wilko staying back. Just a thought. I think your dead right with that train of thought.
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Dec 20, 2013 20:18:55 GMT
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Dec 20, 2013 20:18:55 GMT
Who'll be Captain tomorrow? Begovic. If not him walters.
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Dec 20, 2013 20:45:23 GMT
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Post by crouchbot on Dec 20, 2013 20:45:23 GMT
Walters will be captain I reckon. As for the defence, I'd play Pieters alongside Wilson in the middle. Then again, haven't Cameron and Edu played some games as centre halves for the States?! Step forward Mo!
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Dec 20, 2013 21:00:40 GMT
Walters will be captain I reckon. As for the defence, I'd play Pieters alongside Wilson in the middle. Then again, haven't Cameron and Edu played some games as centre halves for the States?! Step forward Mo! Cameron has on a few occasions, and when he does he usually hits the forwards with a nice lofted through pass that leads to a breakaway, much like the one he provided for nzonzi in the Sunderland game. Edu played center half once with Cameron against Mexico in azteca, and they were excellent. But, Edu is a shell of what he once was, and even that was probably not good enough for the Premeirship.
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 20, 2013 21:54:14 GMT
What is Eric's track record at centre half? How many top level games has he played there? For me you have to go with the two international centre backs, Wilko Cameron Wilson Eric I have no idea. But beyond the odd decent ball in he's doing absolutely sod all for me at full back. Really? He doesn't get forward to the extent that he's capable of, but he's a much better defender than Cameron and seems very sound there. He gets caught out occasionally but he's not exactly Danny Collins. I'd say it's a position we don't have to worry about too much at all.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 22:06:43 GMT
I have no idea. But beyond the odd decent ball in he's doing absolutely sod all for me at full back. Really? He doesn't get forward to the extent that he's capable of, but he's a much better defender than Cameron and seems very sound there. He gets caught out occasionally but he's not exactly Danny Collins. I'd say it's a position we don't have to worry about too much at all. He's ok defensively but still goes AWOL more than I'd like and that run at OT apart he seems curiously reluctant to get forward and really hampers whoever's playing in front of him. Muniesa looks a bit weak but he's miles better going forward.
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 20, 2013 22:16:58 GMT
Really? He doesn't get forward to the extent that he's capable of, but he's a much better defender than Cameron and seems very sound there. He gets caught out occasionally but he's not exactly Danny Collins. I'd say it's a position we don't have to worry about too much at all. He's ok defensively but still goes AWOL more than I'd like and that run at OT apart he seems curiously reluctant to get forward and really hampers whoever's playing in front of him. Muniesa looks a bit weak but he's miles better going forward. I don't know why he doesn't get forward more. He had a field day at Old Trafford and there was a home game where he went on a blistering run at high speed (West Brazil maybe?) and put across a great cross, so it's not like he doesn't have it in him. On the few occasions where he has got forwards, I suppose Cameron has been a bit more withdrawn, so perhaps it's case of Hughes only wanting one full-back to fully commit to attacking and he prefers Cameron to do that? I think a fairly accurate description of him is 'steady', he doesn't set the world alight but he does his job reasonably well.
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