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Post by richie22 on Jun 5, 2020 9:38:29 GMT
Had the McCanns done there jobs as parents. Maddie would still be here with us, they chose to take the night off. Simples . Parents should be in a court room answering charges of neglect as a minimum. There’s many other charges that maybe should of been held to them that never will be, if this were ‘daz and kez’ from your local shit hole who had zero careers they’d be doing a decent stretch and the child would of been filed into history many years ago, instead we have two doctors who have gave there kids sedative to get them off, left them alone whilst on the piss, been inconsistent with there story, been obstructive at times, threatened anyone who questions them with court action, created a ‘limited company-‘charity’ with an ex-bbc man as there rep. Sold books off it ! Made countless friends in high places ( how else do they keep getting funding approved to keep the file on going ) and provided countless MET detectives with free beano’s to Portugal for the last few years. The whole bloody affair stinks to high heaven,
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 5, 2020 9:43:11 GMT
Anyone else for the neglect bandwagon now it looks like the McCanns might not have done it after all?
Jump on here....
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Post by cheadlepotter on Jun 5, 2020 9:50:09 GMT
Anyone else for the neglect bandwagon now it looks like the McCanns might not have done it after all? Jump on here.... I don’t think there’s need for a neglect bandwagon as anyone can see that’s what they were guilty of at the very least yet the press focus on feeling sorry for them. I’m not sure their attitudes would be the same if it was Tracy and Wayne from Bentilee who had abandoned their kids on holiday for a few Stellas.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jun 5, 2020 9:52:04 GMT
Sounds like it's the best lead they have had so far. Hopefully her parents get some closure. It would be great if she was still alive, but I don't think there will be much chance of that given the mark on her eye makes her more identifiable. Her parents are already paying the ultimate price for neglecting her and they will for ever be punishing themselves for their mistake. Some of the people on here a just vile, I just don't get it. Agree with that. The parents have suffered enough. Problem is there is still no resolution and the More money that gets ploughed into this and the more publicity they get, the more people will be suspicious. And I for one can’t blame folk for believing the parents are involved. The money that’s been handed out is eye watering! As a parent no amount of money would be enough to find the truth. There is no evidence to say the parents did it just conspiracy theories and that seems enough for many to say it was the parents that did it. You would think if the parents had done it then the police would have figured that out by now. Even if there wasn't enough evidence they would still be number one suspects even with the slightest inkling they did it, and as far as I'm aware they are not suspects.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jun 5, 2020 9:58:02 GMT
If that was aimed at me I didn't state what I think happened. I don't think the McCann's murdered her. Complicit in her demise, yes. If you want to swallow this load of jism (© Sheikhmomo) then that's your prerogative. Having read the official PJ files (have you?) it will take a compelling case rather than a convenient patsy to sway my opinion. The Canon PowerShot A620 camera which took the iconic last photo allegedly on 3.7.07, was not surrendered to the PJ with their other camera, passports etc between 12.30-4am on 4th May. On 20th May Gerry McCann flew to England, and returned home. He returned to Portugal on 22nd May, with Clarence Mitchell. The “Last Photo” was released through the AFP agency on 24th May. Why would they do this? No idea, I haven't looked into it in anything like the depth you clearly have. My take is that I've an open mind about it. It's a terrible tragedy for any parent to go through and I'd rather let the proper authorities go through the appropriate investigatory channels instead of speculating wildly and refusing to change my mind. I'd be more than happy if this guy is convicted beyond reasonable doubt. And that's where this will hinge. The Portuguese authorities released their case documents when it was archived, something we don't do. Anyone who is bothered enough can read them. Which is, if it comes to court, going to make any legit prosecution very difficult. I have concerns for Sean and Amelie, their twins, in all of this. At 15 now they are going to be in a very difficult position especially if it becomes a media circus. Now for a real conspiracy: McCann v Portugal is still pending in the ECHR with potentially the UK leaving it's jurisdiction at the end of this month (No deal Brexit). Would starting a prosecution after waiting for 3 years with the info change the need for an ECHR ruling? There you go McCanns and no deal Brexit for you, have fun
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Post by Gods on Jun 5, 2020 9:58:38 GMT
Had the McCanns done there jobs as parents. Maddie would still be here with us, they chose to take the night off. Simples . Parents should be in a court room answering charges of neglect as a minimum. There’s many other charges that maybe should of been held to them that never will be, if this were ‘daz and kez’ from your local shit hole who had zero careers they’d be doing a decent stretch and the child would of been filed into history many years ago, instead we have two doctors who have gave there kids sedative to get them off, left them alone whilst on the piss, been inconsistent with there story, been obstructive at times, threatened anyone who questions them with court action, created a ‘limited company-‘charity’ with an ex-bbc man as there rep. Sold books off it ! Made countless friends in high places ( how else do they keep getting funding approved to keep the file on going ) and provided countless MET detectives with free beano’s to Portugal for the last few years. The whole bloody affair stinks to high heaven, That's flannel which bizarrely never once mentions the fact that at the heart of this is the abduction, possible rape and certain murder of a 3 year old girl.
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Post by richie22 on Jun 5, 2020 10:34:55 GMT
Had the McCanns done there jobs as parents. Maddie would still be here with us, they chose to take the night off. Simples . Parents should be in a court room answering charges of neglect as a minimum. There’s many other charges that maybe should of been held to them that never will be, if this were ‘daz and kez’ from your local shit hole who had zero careers they’d be doing a decent stretch and the child would of been filed into history many years ago, instead we have two doctors who have gave there kids sedative to get them off, left them alone whilst on the piss, been inconsistent with there story, been obstructive at times, threatened anyone who questions them with court action, created a ‘limited company-‘charity’ with an ex-bbc man as there rep. Sold books off it ! Made countless friends in high places ( how else do they keep getting funding approved to keep the file on going ) and provided countless MET detectives with free beano’s to Portugal for the last few years. The whole bloody affair stinks to high heaven, That's flannel which bizarrely never once mentions the fact that at the heart of this is the abduction, possible rape and certain murder of a 3 year old girl. my bad , at the heart of the whole affair is sadly the demise of an innocent little girl. Which the parents may or may not of had a hand in.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 5, 2020 10:47:40 GMT
No idea, I haven't looked into it in anything like the depth you clearly have. My take is that I've an open mind about it. It's a terrible tragedy for any parent to go through and I'd rather let the proper authorities go through the appropriate investigatory channels instead of speculating wildly and refusing to change my mind. I'd be more than happy if this guy is convicted beyond reasonable doubt. And that's where this will hinge. The Portuguese authorities released their case documents when it was archived, something we don't do. Anyone who is bothered enough can read them. Which is, if it comes to court, going to make any legit prosecution very difficult. I have concerns for Sean and Amelie, their twins, in all of this. At 15 now they are going to be in a very difficult position especially if it becomes a media circus. Now for a real conspiracy: McCann v Portugal is still pending in the ECHR with potentially the UK leaving it's jurisdiction at the end of this month (No deal Brexit). Would starting a prosecution after waiting for 3 years with the info change the need for an ECHR ruling? There you go McCanns and no deal Brexit for you, have fun At the very least that reads as a lot more open minded. If I could do a thumbs up on my phone I would! It's sad when folk who've invested lots of time and posts condemning the McCanns just can't or won't accept that maybe they had no involvement at all and what they said did actually take place. Which is why I think lots on here are pivoting themselves away from the "they did it" position onto the neglect side of things. They just don't want to have got it wrong, if indeed they have. We'll have to wait and see. It'd be nice if people weren't so ready to condemn, then this repositioning wouldn't be necessary.
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Post by noustie on Jun 5, 2020 10:52:46 GMT
Fucking hell fire are supports of the McCann's honestly playing the 'ethics and morality' card!!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 5, 2020 11:00:17 GMT
Fucking hell fire are supports of the McCann's honestly playing the 'ethics and morality' card!! Nope, I'm condemning the rush to judgement, the trial by public opinion based on not much really.
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Post by noustie on Jun 5, 2020 11:12:23 GMT
Fucking hell fire are supports of the McCann's honestly playing the 'ethics and morality' card!! Nope, I'm condemning the rush to judgement, the trial by public opinion based on not much really. But on the other hand we're rushing to conclusions on this German fella like this venerates them because he was roughly in the vicinity, re-registered a vehicle and had previous. It raises umpteen questions: > Why did it take until now? > Are his previous crimes similar on similar ages? I'm not going Google it but would imagine someone who likes fucking 14 year olds doesn't automatically mean they go all the way down to toddlers. > The car would be circumstantial at best and in comparison to the dogs barking like fuck at the hire vehicle it seems a stretch. > Why is he being essentially put on trial in the media? > If he had access to a vehicle why not take the twins? I fell equally as much sympathy for the child as anyone else and don't think criticism of her parents detracts from that.
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Post by richie22 on Jun 5, 2020 11:14:01 GMT
Fucking hell fire are supports of the McCann's honestly playing the 'ethics and morality' card!! Nope, I'm condemning the rush to judgement, the trial by public opinion based on not much really. not sure it’s a rush I think people have come to this judgement over the full 13 years
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 5, 2020 11:18:18 GMT
No, nobody has spent page after page saying this guy did it, unlike on here with the McCanns, tacitly or otherwise.
However you feel about their behaviour on the night, I'd say this guy's criminal history is a better fit than that of the McCanns, wouldn't you?
We'll have to wait and see if the investigation progresses any further, but at the very least it might stop a bit of the unseemly condemnatory feeding frenzy on here (and elsewhere), which is a good thing.
Edit: interesting piece in today's Telegraph...
Miranda Levy
Ninth August, 2007. It’s a stiflingly hot day on the Algarve, and I’m sitting opposite Kate McCann, mother of the missing three-year old, Madeleine. Mrs McCann is clutching ‘Cuddle Cat’, Madeleine’s favourite toy, left behind when the little girl disappeared from their holiday apartment in May. The interview is to commemorate 100 days since Madeleine went missing from the Ocean Club in nearby Praia da Luz. The hope is that renewed publicity (though the story has never really gone away) will keep the image of Mrs McCann’s daughter in the eyes of the world.
It’s telling that our interview is taking place at the Portuguese Commission for the Protection of Children. The office feels like every identical white, sterile room in police stations all over southern Europe. Which is pretty apt, given this poor, desperate mother was demonised and criminalised just days after her daughter disappeared.
A mum with two children a similar age, this story chilled me to the bone. Firstly, because my brother and his family lived in Rothley, the Leicestershire suburb where the McCanns were from. My brother – also a consultant physician (though at a different Leicester hospital) played football with Gerry. But it was more than that. My husband and I had been on Mark Warner holidays, and other similar ‘family friendly’ package tours. We may even have left our children in their rooms - with a listening service - while we ate dinner nearby. It was something that was positively encouraged back then, even seen as a benefit offered to give you some free grown-up time.
While this kind of behaviour may have been an anathema to many Portuguese people who were used to blending generations for late evening meals, this was what many British middle-class families did. Friends pale-facedly admitted similar behaviour. “People will criticise us for leaving her,” Kate told me at the time. “But, to be honest, it wasn’t even an issue. We felt so safe at the resort. People told us they’ve been coming for 20 years and leaving their kids. Hundreds have written to say they do the same thing when they go on holiday. It could have happened to anyone.”
So the Club Med class (silently) thanked their lucky stars, and hugged their children tighter. I remember checking my son’s and my daughter’s room more often at night in the weeks following Madeleine’s disappearance, and I suspect I wasn’t alone.
But while some offered sympathy as Kate seemed to be living every mothers worst nightmare, many others turned their ire onto the McCanns and they singled out Mrs McCann in particular, for her apparent poise. A sinister consensus started to be formed that because she wasn’t weeping and breaking down, nor acting in a way they felt ‘befitting’, Mrs McCann must be hiding something. Mrs McCann was declared a “cold actress” by Goncalo Amaral, the Portuguese police chief who led the initial investigation. He resigned in 2008, and wrote a book on the case, which was later discredited, but it is still widely quoted among the Portuguese public. (This “not-destroyed-by-grief-so-must-be-lying” trope was also heaped upon Joanne Lees, the girlfriend of Peter Falconio, a backpacker who in 2001 disappeared and was presumed murdered. Though Falconio’s body has never been found, a career criminal called Bradley Murdoch was convicted of his murder in 2005.)
Picking up on the growing vitriol being directed at her, Kate replied: “Who can say what the mum of a missing child should look like?”
In hindsight, Mrs McCann and her husband showed admirable dignity in a situation barely imaginable to other young parents. Their Catholic faith may have sustained them through the living hell they were greeted with every day they opened their eyes. Last year, the McCann’s spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, gave an interview to the Telegraph. “One of the reasons the McCanns were so controlled is that they were told that often, in the case of paedophiliac kidnaps, the perpetrators watch media coverage and enjoy seeing the distress they have caused,” he said. “So the police told them not to cry. Not to show any over-emotion. Kate and Gerry, both logical doctors and were not going to let that bastard have any satisfaction and so were very rigid.”
For someone who didn’t have that information, said Mitchell, it might look suspicious. “It is almost like the public were expecting the parents to act in a certain way.”
But that wasn’t all. Over the years the case has descended into public sport. There was barely-concealed glee when the couple were, for ten months, declared arguidos– or persons of interest (this was revoked in May 2008.) And when, in April that year, traces of Madeleine’s DNA were found in the McCann’s car, and boot, people were almost hopping with joy. It was like some publicly played-out episode of Columbo. (The DNA evidence was later found to be inconclusive.)
Even back in the online infancy of 2007, casual onlookers found a way to stick the knife in. In July of that year, the McCann’s local paper – the Leicester Mercury – had to take down their support message board because of spiteful posters. Then they had to contend with social media. On the ten year anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance, open season was declared on Twitter. Twisted keyboard warriors called the McCanns “vile”, “negligent” parents who “have only themselves to blame”. The couple faced implied threats such as “we need some numbers for assassins”, and: “this couple should burn in hell”.
On the back of an interview with Fiona Bruce in April 2017, the McCanns said they avoided social media. “It’s quite shocking... that aspect of human nature that I hadn’t really encountered before,” said Mrs McCann. “It’s so far from how you would behave, or how people you know would behave. Why would somebody write that? Why would somebody add to someone’s upset… and do something like that?”
Her view was unsurprising, given that three years earlier, someone named Brenda Leyland had written: “To Kate and Gerry, you will be hated by millions for the rest of your miserable, evil, conniving lives, have a nice day!” (Two weeks later, Ms Leyland – who apparently had a history of mental illness – took her own life.)
When I interviewed Kate McCann in 2007, she was clearly devastated. Very thin, she managed to hold back her tears during our conversation – only just. But she was poised and un-self-pitying. With heartbreaking understatement, she said: “People will always criticise. I just feel like the unluckiest person in the world. It’s not us who committed the crime.” No. But it’s quite possible that police now know who did. The image of little Madeleine McCann frozen in time is back on our front pages. There has been a breakthrough in the case: a 43-year old German paedophile is now suspected of “involvement” in Madeleine’s disappearance. This convicted child sex-offender was in Praia da Luz on May 3, and had received a phone call in the area an hour before the little girl vanished.
Maybe there will be some resolution for Kate and Gerry, and their 15-year old twins, Sean and Amelie. "We will never give up hope of finding Madeleine alive,” the family said in a statement reacting to the latest developments this week. “But whatever the outcome may be, we need to know as we need to find peace.”
And finally, all those who have taken part in the blood-thirsty spectator sport in the gladiators’ arena can be told: you can go home now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2020 19:34:37 GMT
Anyone else for the neglect bandwagon now it looks like the McCanns might not have done it after all? Jump on here.... By 'not have done it after all' what are you referring to? Many think they and the Tapas crew have not divulged correct information and Kate McCann did lie to the police originally . What has happened this week to change things? Yet another trial by tabloid, the same tabloids who accused Kate McCann until they hired Carter Ruck and spin doctors with publicly donated money to find a child, not hire lawyers. Absolutely nothing has changed in the case until someone is convicted in a court of law, this by my count is the 7th time we've seen this scenario .
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Post by Timmypotter on Jun 5, 2020 19:44:17 GMT
No idea, I haven't looked into it in anything like the depth you clearly have. My take is that I've an open mind about it. It's a terrible tragedy for any parent to go through and I'd rather let the proper authorities go through the appropriate investigatory channels instead of speculating wildly and refusing to change my mind. I'd be more than happy if this guy is convicted beyond reasonable doubt. And that's where this will hinge. The Portuguese authorities released their case documents when it was archived, something we don't do. Anyone who is bothered enough can read them. Which is, if it comes to court, going to make any legit prosecution very difficult. I have concerns for Sean and Amelie, their twins, in all of this. At 15 now they are going to be in a very difficult position especially if it becomes a media circus. Now for a real conspiracy: McCann v Portugal is still pending in the ECHR with potentially the UK leaving it's jurisdiction at the end of this month (No deal Brexit). Would starting a prosecution after waiting for 3 years with the info change the need for an ECHR ruling? There you go McCanns and no deal Brexit for you, have fun We're not leaving the jurisdiction of the ECHR as that's part of the council of Europe and totally independent of the EU.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 5, 2020 19:51:55 GMT
No, nobody has spent page after page saying this guy did it, unlike on here with the McCanns, tacitly or otherwise. However you feel about their behaviour on the night, I'd say this guy's criminal history is a better fit than that of the McCanns, wouldn't you? We'll have to wait and see if the investigation progresses any further, but at the very least it might stop a bit of the unseemly condemnatory feeding frenzy on here (and elsewhere), which is a good thing. Edit: interesting piece in today's Telegraph... Miranda Levy Ninth August, 2007. It’s a stiflingly hot day on the Algarve, and I’m sitting opposite Kate McCann, mother of the missing three-year old, Madeleine. Mrs McCann is clutching ‘Cuddle Cat’, Madeleine’s favourite toy, left behind when the little girl disappeared from their holiday apartment in May. The interview is to commemorate 100 days since Madeleine went missing from the Ocean Club in nearby Praia da Luz. The hope is that renewed publicity (though the story has never really gone away) will keep the image of Mrs McCann’s daughter in the eyes of the world. It’s telling that our interview is taking place at the Portuguese Commission for the Protection of Children. The office feels like every identical white, sterile room in police stations all over southern Europe. Which is pretty apt, given this poor, desperate mother was demonised and criminalised just days after her daughter disappeared. A mum with two children a similar age, this story chilled me to the bone. Firstly, because my brother and his family lived in Rothley, the Leicestershire suburb where the McCanns were from. My brother – also a consultant physician (though at a different Leicester hospital) played football with Gerry. But it was more than that. My husband and I had been on Mark Warner holidays, and other similar ‘family friendly’ package tours. We may even have left our children in their rooms - with a listening service - while we ate dinner nearby. It was something that was positively encouraged back then, even seen as a benefit offered to give you some free grown-up time.
While this kind of behaviour may have been an anathema to many Portuguese people who were used to blending generations for late evening meals, this was what many British middle-class families did. Friends pale-facedly admitted similar behaviour. “People will criticise us for leaving her,” Kate told me at the time. “But, to be honest, it wasn’t even an issue. We felt so safe at the resort. People told us they’ve been coming for 20 years and leaving their kids. Hundreds have written to say they do the same thing when they go on holiday. It could have happened to anyone.”
So the Club Med class (silently) thanked their lucky stars, and hugged their children tighter. I remember checking my son’s and my daughter’s room more often at night in the weeks following Madeleine’s disappearance, and I suspect I wasn’t alone. But while some offered sympathy as Kate seemed to be living every mothers worst nightmare, many others turned their ire onto the McCanns and they singled out Mrs McCann in particular, for her apparent poise. A sinister consensus started to be formed that because she wasn’t weeping and breaking down, nor acting in a way they felt ‘befitting’, Mrs McCann must be hiding something. Mrs McCann was declared a “cold actress” by Goncalo Amaral, the Portuguese police chief who led the initial investigation. He resigned in 2008, and wrote a book on the case, which was later discredited, but it is still widely quoted among the Portuguese public. (This “not-destroyed-by-grief-so-must-be-lying” trope was also heaped upon Joanne Lees, the girlfriend of Peter Falconio, a backpacker who in 2001 disappeared and was presumed murdered. Though Falconio’s body has never been found, a career criminal called Bradley Murdoch was convicted of his murder in 2005.) Picking up on the growing vitriol being directed at her, Kate replied: “Who can say what the mum of a missing child should look like?” In hindsight, Mrs McCann and her husband showed admirable dignity in a situation barely imaginable to other young parents. Their Catholic faith may have sustained them through the living hell they were greeted with every day they opened their eyes. Last year, the McCann’s spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, gave an interview to the Telegraph. “One of the reasons the McCanns were so controlled is that they were told that often, in the case of paedophiliac kidnaps, the perpetrators watch media coverage and enjoy seeing the distress they have caused,” he said. “So the police told them not to cry. Not to show any over-emotion. Kate and Gerry, both logical doctors and were not going to let that bastard have any satisfaction and so were very rigid.” For someone who didn’t have that information, said Mitchell, it might look suspicious. “It is almost like the public were expecting the parents to act in a certain way.” But that wasn’t all. Over the years the case has descended into public sport. There was barely-concealed glee when the couple were, for ten months, declared arguidos– or persons of interest (this was revoked in May 2008.) And when, in April that year, traces of Madeleine’s DNA were found in the McCann’s car, and boot, people were almost hopping with joy. It was like some publicly played-out episode of Columbo. (The DNA evidence was later found to be inconclusive.) Even back in the online infancy of 2007, casual onlookers found a way to stick the knife in. In July of that year, the McCann’s local paper – the Leicester Mercury – had to take down their support message board because of spiteful posters. Then they had to contend with social media. On the ten year anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance, open season was declared on Twitter. Twisted keyboard warriors called the McCanns “vile”, “negligent” parents who “have only themselves to blame”. The couple faced implied threats such as “we need some numbers for assassins”, and: “this couple should burn in hell”. On the back of an interview with Fiona Bruce in April 2017, the McCanns said they avoided social media. “It’s quite shocking... that aspect of human nature that I hadn’t really encountered before,” said Mrs McCann. “It’s so far from how you would behave, or how people you know would behave. Why would somebody write that? Why would somebody add to someone’s upset… and do something like that?” Her view was unsurprising, given that three years earlier, someone named Brenda Leyland had written: “To Kate and Gerry, you will be hated by millions for the rest of your miserable, evil, conniving lives, have a nice day!” (Two weeks later, Ms Leyland – who apparently had a history of mental illness – took her own life.) When I interviewed Kate McCann in 2007, she was clearly devastated. Very thin, she managed to hold back her tears during our conversation – only just. But she was poised and un-self-pitying. With heartbreaking understatement, she said: “ People will always criticise. I just feel like the unluckiest person in the world. It’s not us who committed the crime.” No. But it’s quite possible that police now know who did. The image of little Madeleine McCann frozen in time is back on our front pages. There has been a breakthrough in the case: a 43-year old German paedophile is now suspected of “involvement” in Madeleine’s disappearance. This convicted child sex-offender was in Praia da Luz on May 3, and had received a phone call in the area an hour before the little girl vanished. Maybe there will be some resolution for Kate and Gerry, and their 15-year old twins, Sean and Amelie. "We will never give up hope of finding Madeleine alive,” the family said in a statement reacting to the latest developments this week. “But whatever the outcome may be, we need to know as we need to find peace.” And finally, all those who have taken part in the blood-thirsty spectator sport in the gladiators’ arena can be told: you can go home now. They weren’t unlucky. They were negligent.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jun 5, 2020 20:29:35 GMT
I'd be more than happy if this guy is convicted beyond reasonable doubt. And that's where this will hinge. The Portuguese authorities released their case documents when it was archived, something we don't do. Anyone who is bothered enough can read them. Which is, if it comes to court, going to make any legit prosecution very difficult. I have concerns for Sean and Amelie, their twins, in all of this. At 15 now they are going to be in a very difficult position especially if it becomes a media circus. Now for a real conspiracy: McCann v Portugal is still pending in the ECHR with potentially the UK leaving it's jurisdiction at the end of this month (No deal Brexit). Would starting a prosecution after waiting for 3 years with the info change the need for an ECHR ruling? There you go McCanns and no deal Brexit for you, have fun We're not leaving the jurisdiction of the ECHR as that's part of the council of Europe and totally independent of the EU. UK officials confirmed that the UK did not want membership of the European Convention on Human Rights membership written into the trade agreement. As an EU member the UK could not leave the ECHR because it was a condition of its membership; Theresa May had promised this would remain the case after the UK left, but the change of course by Mr Johnson's administration has raised eyebrows in Brussels and elsewhere. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-human-rights-convention-echr-michel-barnier-a9378141.html
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Post by Gods on Jun 5, 2020 20:58:51 GMT
Our friend 'Christian B'.
Must be a good chance he gets his collar felt for the disappearance of this 5 year old German girl Inga who vanished from a BBQ in Saxony-Anhalt in 2015 and shortly afterwards an area of land nearby owned by Christian B was searched .
Don't know what is is with this fella, I'm sure he's a top guy, but he never seems to be too far away when these very young girls go missing.
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Post by Timmypotter on Jun 5, 2020 21:15:52 GMT
We're not leaving the jurisdiction of the ECHR as that's part of the council of Europe and totally independent of the EU. UK officials confirmed that the UK did not want membership of the European Convention on Human Rights membership written into the trade agreement. As an EU member the UK could not leave the ECHR because it was a condition of its membership; Theresa May had promised this would remain the case after the UK left, but the change of course by Mr Johnson's administration has raised eyebrows in Brussels and elsewhere. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-human-rights-convention-echr-michel-barnier-a9378141.htmlWhy should membership of the ECHR be a condition of a trade agreement? Did Canada and Japan sign up to this? Either way, if Russia can remain compliant with the ECHR I'm sure we'll manage. Fact is, we're not leaving as a result of Brexit and we're incredibly unlikely to leave it any time soon. Looks like we're on the wrong thread 😁
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 6, 2020 15:02:32 GMT
Our friend 'Christian B'. Must be a good chance he gets his collar felt for the disappearance of this 5 year old German girl Inga who vanished from a BBQ in Saxony-Anhalt in 2015 and shortly afterwards an area of land nearby owned by Christian B was searched . Don't know what is is with this fella, I'm sure he's a top guy, but he never seems to be too far away when these very young girls go missing. Certainly got form. I see the cops are attempting to trace ex girlfriends now. Must be nigh on impossible after all this time. Unless one or two come forward, which may be the reason for the information release. It's such a high profile case, it probably gets coverage in most European countries so there's a good chance they'll see it.
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Post by Gods on Jun 6, 2020 23:17:25 GMT
Our friend 'Christian B'. Must be a good chance he gets his collar felt for the disappearance of this 5 year old German girl Inga who vanished from a BBQ in Saxony-Anhalt in 2015 and shortly afterwards an area of land nearby owned by Christian B was searched . Don't know what is is with this fella, I'm sure he's a top guy, but he never seems to be too far away when these very young girls go missing.I was in Oklahoma three days before the bombing, NYC a week before 9/11, even in Phuket 2 days before the Tsunami. Completely circumstantial. Does that make me a terrorist and bringer of natural disasters ? The press have already tried to pin it on 7 people in the vicinity. Jane Tanner even claimed the imaginary man she saw was one such suspect despite her description not matching him in any way Just address yourself for a moment to the odds of this. Two young girls aged 3 and 5 vanish without trace 8 years apart and thousands of miles apart one in Portugal and one in Germany. Christian Bruckner is known to have been living within 3 miles of both incidents at the time of their disappearance. How many other people were in both Praia da Luz on the night Maddie disappeared AND in Stendal in East Germany on the night Inga disappeared? CLUE - the answer is none. Now read Bruckner's criminal record - motive, means, behaviour, opportunity, they are all there in the convicted German paedophile. Then add in the fact that the police have it on record from his laptop following the Inga disappearance that he told an acquaintance during a Skype chat in 2013 that he wanted to “catch something small and use it for days” before suggesting he had prior experience in this regard: “Oh well, if the evidence is destroyed afterwards.” Of course none of that is enough to convict him, but it doesn't look real good.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 7, 2020 7:21:02 GMT
I was in Oklahoma three days before the bombing, NYC a week before 9/11, even in Phuket 2 days before the Tsunami. Completely circumstantial. Does that make me a terrorist and bringer of natural disasters ? The press have already tried to pin it on 7 people in the vicinity. Jane Tanner even claimed the imaginary man she saw was one such suspect despite her description not matching him in any way Just address yourself for a moment to the odds of this. Two young girls aged 3 and 5 vanish without trace 8 years apart and thousands of miles apart one in Portugal and one in Germany. Christian Bruckner is known to have been living within 3 miles of both incidents at the time of their disappearance. How many other people were in both Praia da Luz on the night Maddie disappeared AND in Stendal in East Germany on the night Inga disappeared? CLUE - the answer is none. Now read Bruckner's criminal record - motive, means, behaviour, opportunity, they are all there in the convicted German paedophile. Then add in the fact that the police have it on record from his laptop following the Inga disappearance that he told an acquaintance during a Skype chat in 2013 that he wanted to “catch something small and use it for days” before suggesting he had prior experience in this regard: “Oh well, if the evidence is destroyed afterwards.” Of course none of that is enough to convict him, but it doesn't look real good. If you could post your forthcoming holiday plans, Jesusmcmuffin, I think we'd all be very grateful! I do apologise for attempting levity on this thread, I promise I'm working on my condemnations...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 7:30:43 GMT
Just address yourself for a moment to the odds of this. Two young girls aged 3 and 5 vanish without trace 8 years apart and thousands of miles apart one in Portugal and one in Germany. Christian Bruckner is known to have been living within 3 miles of both incidents at the time of their disappearance. How many other people were in both Praia da Luz on the night Maddie disappeared AND in Stendal in East Germany on the night Inga disappeared? CLUE - the answer is none. Now read Bruckner's criminal record - motive, means, behaviour, opportunity, they are all there in the convicted German paedophile. Then add in the fact that the police have it on record from his laptop following the Inga disappearance that he told an acquaintance during a Skype chat in 2013 that he wanted to “catch something small and use it for days” before suggesting he had prior experience in this regard: “Oh well, if the evidence is destroyed afterwards.” Of course none of that is enough to convict him, but it doesn't look real good. If you could post your forthcoming holiday plans, Jesusmcmuffin, I think we'd all be very grateful! I do apologise for attempting levity on this thread, I promise I'm working on my condemnations... I kind of decided not to go down this route again as the trial by media influences so many and been done before. Yet another suspect etc and no doubt the same outcome. Becoming a pointless debate. Yep it is a bit of an in joke 😁. Am in India in a few weeks if all well so expect some disaster of some kind 👍
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Jun 7, 2020 8:44:56 GMT
If you could post your forthcoming holiday plans, Jesusmcmuffin, I think we'd all be very grateful! I do apologise for attempting levity on this thread, I promise I'm working on my condemnations... I kind of decided not to go down this route again as the trial by media influences so many and been done before. Yet another suspect etc and no doubt the same outcome. Becoming a pointless debate. Yep it is a bit of an in joke 😁. Am in India in a few weeks if all well so expect some disaster of some kind 👍 #prayforindia
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 8:46:26 GMT
I kind of decided not to go down this route again as the trial by media influences so many and been done before. Yet another suspect etc and no doubt the same outcome. Becoming a pointless debate. Yep it is a bit of an in joke 😁. Am in India in a few weeks if all well so expect some disaster of some kind 👍 #prayforindia
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Post by bathstoke on Jun 7, 2020 9:21:49 GMT
Just address yourself for a moment to the odds of this. Two young girls aged 3 and 5 vanish without trace 8 years apart and thousands of miles apart one in Portugal and one in Germany. Christian Bruckner is known to have been living within 3 miles of both incidents at the time of their disappearance. How many other people were in both Praia da Luz on the night Maddie disappeared AND in Stendal in East Germany on the night Inga disappeared? CLUE - the answer is none. Now read Bruckner's criminal record - motive, means, behaviour, opportunity, they are all there in the convicted German paedophile. Then add in the fact that the police have it on record from his laptop following the Inga disappearance that he told an acquaintance during a Skype chat in 2013 that he wanted to “catch something small and use it for days” before suggesting he had prior experience in this regard: “Oh well, if the evidence is destroyed afterwards.” Of course none of that is enough to convict him, but it doesn't look real good. If you could post your forthcoming holiday plans, Jesusmcmuffin, I think we'd all be very grateful! I do apologise for attempting levity on this thread, I promise I'm working on my condemnations... Glad to have you on board RWB. I’ve been standing alone against the rabid mob for years. I agree that they shouldn’t have left the kids, but even during lockdown there have been young kids wandering the streets up & down the land. On holiday, there are parents that chuck the kids a few € to £@#& 0££ & leave them alone. This whole McCann witch-hunt just smacks of envy.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 7, 2020 11:14:19 GMT
If you could post your forthcoming holiday plans, Jesusmcmuffin, I think we'd all be very grateful! I do apologise for attempting levity on this thread, I promise I'm working on my condemnations... Glad to have you on board RWB. I’ve been standing alone against the rabid mob for years. I agree that they shouldn’t have left the kids, but even during lockdown there have been young kids wandering the streets up & down the land. On holiday, there are parents that chuck the kids a few € to £@#& 0££ & leave them alone. This whole McCann witch-hunt just smacks of envy. No worries, bath. I'm sure I've been added to "the list" for targeting! There'll no doubt be more unsubstantiated allegations and crap heading my way soon. Back on topic, I'm not sure it's envy, I think it's more the nature of social media. Some people love to point the finger and condemn, as numerous threads on here have demonstrated many times, and was pointed out in the article I quoted above. The worst one on here is salopstick's "The Oatcake EEB has solved the case. Hang the deplorable cunts". How anyone can post something like that about two parents who lost their daughter beggars belief...
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Post by bathstoke on Jun 7, 2020 11:26:15 GMT
Glad to have you on board RWB. I’ve been standing alone against the rabid mob for years. I agree that they shouldn’t have left the kids, but even during lockdown there have been young kids wandering the streets up & down the land. On holiday, there are parents that chuck the kids a few € to £@#& 0££ & leave them alone. This whole McCann witch-hunt just smacks of envy. No worries, bath. I'm sure I've been added to "the list" for targeting! There'll no doubt be more unsubstantiated allegations and crap heading my way soon. Back on topic, I'm not sure it's envy, I think it's more the nature of social media. Some people love to point the finger and condemn, as numerous threads on here have demonstrated many times, and was pointed out in the article I quoted above. The worst one on here is salopstick's "The Oatcake EEB has solved the case. Hang the deplorable cunts". How anyone can post something like that about two parents who lost their daughter beggars belief... Self righteous bros...
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Post by Gods on Jun 8, 2020 22:30:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 23:01:27 GMT
Spanish newspaper this morning claiming that Portuguese police now saying complete opposite. He was investigated and ruled out but boasted about it, that's all. Happened in the JoBenet Ramsey case as well. Let's see.
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