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Post by Gods on Jun 9, 2020 7:17:29 GMT
Spanish newspaper this morning claiming that Portuguese police now saying complete opposite. He was investigated and ruled out but boasted about it, that's all. Happened in the JoBenet Ramsey case as well. Let's see. I wonder on what grounds he was ruled out back in the day. Also be interesting to know what the evidence the Germans have is to say Maddie is dead. DNA related perhaps but not sufficient to link it definitively to Bruckner?
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 9, 2020 7:25:27 GMT
Spanish newspaper this morning claiming that Portuguese police now saying complete opposite. He was investigated and ruled out but boasted about it, that's all. Happened in the JoBenet Ramsey case as well. Let's see. I wonder on what grounds he was ruled out back in the day. Also be interesting to know what the evidence the Germans have is to say Maddie is dead. DNA related perhaps but not sufficient to link it definitively to Bruckner? If they had any sort of DNA evidence they could prosecute surely, whilst he seems a credible suspect all they have is circumstential evidence, the assumption of death is probably because by now she would surely have been found otherwise.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 9, 2020 7:26:46 GMT
Let's not make the same mistake 99% of the posters on this thread have made and judge him in the court of public opinion. I agree that his form makes him a much more likely suspect than the McCanns but innocent until proven guilty...
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Post by Gods on Jun 9, 2020 7:33:26 GMT
I wonder on what grounds he was ruled out back in the day. Also be interesting to know what the evidence the Germans have is to say Maddie is dead. DNA related perhaps but not sufficient to link it definitively to Bruckner? If they had any sort of DNA evidence they could prosecute surely, whilst he seems a credible suspect all they have is circumstential evidence, the assumption of death is probably because by now she would surely have been found otherwise. But he's saying 'that I can't tell you' which suggests more than the obvious assumption most people have already made that she is dead, no? Unless he has just made it up of course.
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Post by richie22 on Jun 9, 2020 7:44:46 GMT
Let's not make the same mistake 99% of the posters on this thread have made and judge him in the court of public opinion. I agree that his form makes him a much more likely suspect than the McCanns but innocent until proven guilty... He’s lived his life in plain sight all the while, he’s been investigated before and ruled out. After all this time what could of changed to of led to this point. His form is a big red flag I’ll give you that but the fact he remains at present without charge in this case makes me think the evidence the police have is weak and would not stand up.
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Post by Gods on Jun 9, 2020 7:47:02 GMT
Let's not make the same mistake 99% of the posters on this thread have made and judge him in the court of public opinion. I agree that his form makes him a much more likely suspect than the McCanns but innocent until proven guilty... Yep, fair enough.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 9, 2020 7:49:50 GMT
If they had any sort of DNA evidence they could prosecute surely, whilst he seems a credible suspect all they have is circumstential evidence, the assumption of death is probably because by now she would surely have been found otherwise. But he's saying 'that I can't tell you' which suggests more than the obvious assumption most people have already made that she is dead, no? Unless he has just made it up of course. It looks like he has said something coupled with him doing similar before and was around the area,its possible he could have told them what happened to get out of his cell but wont provide proof or has given a non confession confession or told them something only parents or someone who had taken her would know or he could just be a Wolfgang bullshitter. From my extensive experience of watching nearly every criminal minds and most of csi miami to me it seems a little too neat, from what I understand maddie would have been the first girl he took, to not got caught and escape justice for so long in such a well publicised case seems unlikely to me.
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Post by Gods on Jun 9, 2020 7:51:02 GMT
Let's not make the same mistake 99% of the posters on this thread have made and judge him in the court of public opinion. I agree that his form makes him a much more likely suspect than the McCanns but innocent until proven guilty... He’s lived his life in plain sight all the while, he’s been investigated before and ruled out. After all this time what could of changed to of led to this point. His form is a big red flag I’ll give you that but the fact he remains at present without charge in this case makes me think the evidence the police have is weak and would not stand up. For sure the police need more or we would not be having this appeal. I'm sure there will be no charge with the current evidence.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 9, 2020 8:17:05 GMT
Let's not make the same mistake 99% of the posters on this thread have made and judge him in the court of public opinion. I agree that his form makes him a much more likely suspect than the McCanns but innocent until proven guilty... He’s lived his life in plain sight all the while, he’s been investigated before and ruled out. After all this time what could of changed to of led to this point. His form is a big red flag I’ll give you that but the fact he remains at present without charge in this case makes me think the evidence the police have is weak and would not stand up. You might be right. There are plenty of people who've been investigated before, not least Peter Sutcliffe the Yorkshire Ripper, questioned nine times and let go before finally being caught. The issue, as you no doubt know, is reaching the legal standard for evidence which allows the DPS or the equivalent in Germany to take a case to court. My guess is the police are fairly confident and have put out an appeal now because the evidence doesn't meet that standard yet. In the meantime, judging and condemning by social media is not the way forward for anyone in this case or any other.
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Post by salopstick on Jun 9, 2020 12:25:09 GMT
Far to much speculation coming from the German authorities being taken as fact
If they had evidence he would have been charged by now
It’s seems all too good be true but it looks like they are trying to make him guilty in public and media before he goes to court
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 9, 2020 15:25:42 GMT
Far to much speculation coming from the German authorities being taken as fact If they had evidence he would have been charged by now It’s seems all too good be true but it looks like they are trying to make him guilty in public and media before he goes to court I do hope the irony of this post is not lost on you....
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Post by salopstick on Jun 9, 2020 15:52:54 GMT
Not at all
It’s the same as the narrative pushing an abduction without any evidence to back it up
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jun 9, 2020 16:01:25 GMT
Be interesting how the prosecution explain away Martin Grime and Eddie & Keela.
Unless of course he nicked their hire car to drive away the body....
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Post by salopstick on Jun 9, 2020 16:09:09 GMT
Be interesting how the prosecution explain away Martin Grime and Eddie & Keela. Unless of course he nicked their hire car to drive away the body.... The case for the defence might be very uncomfortable indeed
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jun 9, 2020 16:26:34 GMT
Be interesting how the prosecution explain away Martin Grime and Eddie & Keela. Unless of course he nicked their hire car to drive away the body.... The case for the defence might be very uncomfortable indeed I was thinking the exact opposite. If he pleads not guilty then the prosecution are going to have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he took her, killed her and disposed of her. (The German police say they have proof of death) But unexplained blood in the boot of the McCann's hire car and on the key fob of the keys to it, leave the proof outside of reasonable doubt. Too many anomalies for the prosecution to explain away imo. If they can explain all the anomalies away and prove he did it then they'll earn their money.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 16:41:14 GMT
Be interesting how the prosecution explain away Martin Grime and Eddie & Keela. Unless of course he nicked their hire car to drive away the body.... The case for the defence might be very uncomfortable indeed They can't be used in the prosecution. Is pretty much impossible to explain away.
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Post by salopstick on Jun 9, 2020 16:46:07 GMT
The case for the defence might be very uncomfortable indeed I was thinking the exact opposite. If he pleads not guilty then the prosecution are going to have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he took her, killed her and disposed of her. (The German police say they have proof of death) But unexplained blood in the boot of the McCann's hire car and on the key fob of the keys to it, leave the proof outside of reasonable doubt. Too many anomalies for the prosecution to explain away imo. If they can explain all the anomalies away and prove he did it then they'll earn their money. I meant the defence can bring up stuff from the investigation that prosecutors can’t. Like the dogs etc. Uncomfortable
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jun 9, 2020 18:50:51 GMT
He’s lived his life in plain sight all the while, he’s been investigated before and ruled out. After all this time what could of changed to of led to this point. His form is a big red flag I’ll give you that but the fact he remains at present without charge in this case makes me think the evidence the police have is weak and would not stand up. You might be right. There are plenty of people who've been investigated before, not least Peter Sutcliffe the Yorkshire Ripper, questioned nine times and let go before finally being caught. The issue, as you no doubt know, is reaching the legal standard for evidence which allows the DPS or the equivalent in Germany to take a case to court. My guess is the police are fairly confident and have put out an appeal now because the evidence doesn't meet that standard yet. In the meantime, judging and condemning by social media is not the way forward for anyone in this case or any other. New inquiry 'could be dropped' without clues from publicThe evidence is "strong enough to say that the girl is dead and strong enough to accuse a specific individual of murder - that strong", he said. Wonder why they are not charging him without this 'public information'?
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Post by salopstick on Jun 9, 2020 20:34:37 GMT
You might be right. There are plenty of people who've been investigated before, not least Peter Sutcliffe the Yorkshire Ripper, questioned nine times and let go before finally being caught. The issue, as you no doubt know, is reaching the legal standard for evidence which allows the DPS or the equivalent in Germany to take a case to court. My guess is the police are fairly confident and have put out an appeal now because the evidence doesn't meet that standard yet. In the meantime, judging and condemning by social media is not the way forward for anyone in this case or any other. New inquiry 'could be dropped' without clues from publicThe evidence is "strong enough to say that the girl is dead and strong enough to accuse a specific individual of murder - that strong", he said. Wonder why they are not charging him without this 'public information'? It’s smoke and mirrors. It’s enough to make a story, enough to “prove” murder but not enough to charge the individual It’s focused news elsewhere and probably leads to more public tax money being Given to the investigation
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Post by Gods on Jun 10, 2020 22:57:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 23:55:19 GMT
Absolutely nothing in that article to link him to it
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 8, 2020 8:45:16 GMT
I was wondering where we are with the Bruckner investigation since it seems to have gone a bit quiet, and came across this on wikipedia:
Sad to say, it's quite a neat summary of this thread...and goes to show just how much newspapers do influence people's thinking, regardless of what they might claim...
"Trial by media"
Eilis O'Hanlon wrote that the disappearance "could almost stand as a metaphor for the rise of social media as the predominant mode of public discourse". Twitter, one year old when Madeleine went missing, became the source of much of the vitriol. Ten years later, the "#McCann" hashtag was still producing over 100 tweets an hour, according to researchers at the University of Huddersfield. Social media's attacks included a threat to kidnap one of the McCanns' twins, and when Scotland Yard and Crimewatch staged their reconstruction in 2013, there was apparently talk of phoning in with false information to sabotage the appeal. One man who ran an anti-McCann website received a three-month suspended sentence in 2013 after leafleting their village with his allegations. The following year a Twitter user was found dead from a helium overdose after Sky News confronted her about her 400 anti-McCann tweets.
Roy Greenslade called the Daily Express coverage a "sustained campaign of vitriol".
The couple's status as photogenic, articulate, and professional was at first beneficial. Every institution in the UK wanted to help, from 10 Downing Street down. The McCanns took full advantage of the interest by hiring public-relations consultants and offering regular events to give the media a daily news peg. But the frenzy turned against them, and there began what PR consultant Michael Cole called the "monstering of the McCanns". They were harshly criticized for having left their children alone in an unlocked apartment, despite the availability of Ocean Club babysitters and a crèche. The argument ran that a working-class couple would have faced child-abandonment charges. Seventeen thousand people signed an online petition in June 2007 asking Leicestershire Social Services to investigate how the children came to be left unattended.
Kate McCann's appearance and demeanour were widely discussed, with much of the commentary coming from other women, including Booker Prize-winner Anne Enright in the London Review of Books. Kate was deemed cold and controlled, too attractive, too thin, too well-dressed, too intense. She had apparently been advised by abduction experts not to cry on camera because the kidnapper might enjoy her distress, and this led to more criticism: the Portuguese tabloid Correio da Manhã cited sources complaining that she had not "shed a single tear". Journalism professor Nicola Goc argued that Kate had joined a long list of mothers deemed killers because of unacceptable maternal behaviour. Commentators compared her experience to that of Lindy Chamberlain, convicted of murder after her baby was killed by a dingo. Like Kate, she was suspected, in part, because she had not wept in public. There was even a similar (false) story about supposedly relevant Bible passages the women were said to have highlighted. Chamberlain asked: "How can you apologise to me and do this again to someone else?"
In November 2011, the McCanns testified before the Leveson Inquiry into British press standards. The inquiry heard that the editor of the Daily Express, in particular, had become "obsessed" with the couple. Express headlines included that Madeleine had been "killed by sleeping pills", "Find body or McCanns will escape", and "'McCanns or a friend must be to blame'", the latter based on an interview with a waiter. "Maddie 'Sold' By Hard-Up McCanns" ran a headline in the Daily Star, part of the Express group. Lord Justice Leveson called the articles "complete piffle". Roy Greenslade described them as "no journalistic accident, but a sustained campaign of vitriol against a grief-stricken family".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 9:10:38 GMT
This is the 5th so called main suspect which has been carried out by media trial and come to nothing. The Daily Express apparently based their suspicions on the fact that the Father in law had mentioned sedation allegedly and that I think was Kate McCann's sister had mentioned a plea bargain with Portuguese police during her questioning.
The Smith family sighting photo fit was withheld due to the McCanns and of course the Priest claimed that Kate McCann had deceived him. What happened there we'll never know.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Jul 23, 2020 21:48:22 GMT
Channel 33 freeview programme now is quite interesting. Just in from work, might be a repeat don't know.
Edit. Finished at 11PM didn't learn much apart from no evidence against Bruckner.
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Post by choc on Jul 23, 2020 23:25:38 GMT
I didn't watch the programme about it tonight because the same narrative would be sought, an abduction with Bruckner.
The PJ files bring up plenty of discrepancies that are never mentioned or discussed. Colin Sutton has admitted he was offered the case but told certain areas were off limits. Even some MET police officers supported and funded Amaral when he was broke.
We have timelines that don't fit, misdated photographs, perculiar witness statements, Kate's bruised arms, Gerry caught prancing around, Jane Tanner's 'sighting', etc.. All conveniently omitted although on their funding page the Tanner sighting was still there for ages after it was dismissed!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 23:47:38 GMT
I didn't watch the programme about it tonight because the same narrative would be sought, an abduction with Bruckner. The PJ files bring up plenty of discrepancies that are never mentioned or discussed. Colin Sutton has admitted he was offered the case but told certain areas were off limits. Even some MET police officers supported and funded Amaral when he was broke. We have timelines that don't fit, misdated photographs, perculiar witness statements, Kate's bruised arms, Gerry caught prancing around, Jane Tanner's 'sighting', etc.. All conveniently omitted although on their funding page the Tanner sighting was still there for ages after it was dismissed! And let's not forget that the funding page was listed as a charity on some Social Media sites which it isn't.
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Post by yeokel on Nov 5, 2020 16:30:57 GMT
Leading Doctors lockdown advice.....
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Post by salopstick on Dec 3, 2020 22:12:44 GMT
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Post by redstriper on Mar 2, 2022 11:28:03 GMT
I'm staying in Praia whilst house hunting and I walked past the apartment this morning, which got me thinking how it's all gone quiet on this Bruckner guy ? Is there going to be a trial ?
It's the 15 year anniversary in a few weeks and still no resolution.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2022 11:38:32 GMT
I'm staying in Praia whilst house hunting and I walked past the apartment this morning, which got me thinking how it's all gone quiet on this Bruckner guy ? Is there going to be a trial ? It's the 15 year anniversary in a few weeks and still no resolution. The begging bowl comes out on the anniversaries along with another suspect. Still not a shred of evidence she was even abducted Re JonBenet. Interesting to hear the enhanced 911 call on the You Tube show.
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