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Post by mattyd on Jun 4, 2020 14:03:19 GMT
There was a documentary on the other night, Imposter ( I think ). In a nut shell this French lad made a habit of phoning parents of missing kids pretending to be them, he contacted an American family who had " Lost " a kid years ago, he explained his eyes had changed colour due to stress, and had a strange accent cuz he was abducted and taken to Spain by a paedo gang. They took him in hook line and sinker...THOUGH.... It was all a charade on their side as well... They'd actually killed the kid and staged his disappearance, so this imposter was a cast iron alibi, however an eagle eyed PI rumbled them and exposed the whole myriad of lies.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 4, 2020 14:46:33 GMT
Is anyone buying this? just seems to me they've found a vague thread and found someone they can probably convince to a false confession.. but I am a cynical twat.
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Post by flea79 on Jun 4, 2020 15:14:27 GMT
Is anyone buying this? just seems to me they've found a vague thread and found someone they can probably convince to a false confession.. but I am a cynical twat. nope not buying it, money is probably running out and with it two week all expenses paid trips to Portugal for the investigating officers, hmmmmm the parents did it!
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Post by Gods on Jun 4, 2020 15:22:03 GMT
Goodness me there are some conspiracy theorists on here eager to buy any old baloney!
Thought I'd happened upon a meeting of the Flat Earth Society:-)
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 4, 2020 16:26:46 GMT
Goodness me there are some conspiracy theorists on here eager to buy any old baloney! Thought I'd happened upon a meeting of the Flat Earth Society:-) When people's minds are made up they tend to stay that way, sadly, especially on here! I don't know what it is about social media that makes people dig their heels in so deeply. If, and it's obviously a big and as yet unproven if, this German bloke did abduct her, there will be a lot of folk on this thread desperately re-positioning themselves. Most of them consider the McCanns guilty as (not) charged. You'll probably see a pivot towards the neglect angle, rather than they did it themselves...
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Post by felonious on Jun 4, 2020 16:44:56 GMT
Tune for today lads?
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jun 4, 2020 18:33:38 GMT
Goodness me there are some conspiracy theorists on here eager to buy any old baloney! Thought I'd happened upon a meeting of the Flat Earth Society:-) When people's minds are made up they tend to stay that way, sadly, especially on here! I don't know what it is about social media that makes people dig their heels in so deeply. If, and it's obviously a big and as yet unproven if, this German bloke did abduct her, there will be a lot of folk on this thread desperately re-positioning themselves. Most of them consider the McCanns guilty as (not) charged. You'll probably see a pivot towards the neglect angle, rather than they did it themselves... Try reading this whatreallyhappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.com/2016/08/foreword.html (yeah I know there are 37 chapters) and see if your view changes. Written by Detective Superintendent (ret) Peter MacLeod (28 years with Nottinghamshire Police - Operations Commander of a large Division overseeing enquiries and investigations of all types) Whatever happens with Christian Brückner it will not explain away any anomalies around the case (the last pool photo, Eddie and Keela alerts, changing versions of events on the early police statements etc.) Nor will my view change.
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Post by Gods on Jun 4, 2020 18:59:22 GMT
When people's minds are made up they tend to stay that way, sadly, especially on here! I don't know what it is about social media that makes people dig their heels in so deeply. If, and it's obviously a big and as yet unproven if, this German bloke did abduct her, there will be a lot of folk on this thread desperately re-positioning themselves. Most of them consider the McCanns guilty as (not) charged. You'll probably see a pivot towards the neglect angle, rather than they did it themselves... Try reading this whatreallyhappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.com/2016/08/foreword.html (yeah I know there are 37 chapters) and see if your view changes. Written by Detective Superintendent (ret) Peter MacLeod (28 years with Nottinghamshire Police - Operations Commander of a large Division overseeing enquiries and investigations of all types) Whatever happens with Christian Brückner it will not explain away any anomalies around the case (the last pool photo, Eddie and Keela alerts, changing versions of events on the early police statements etc.) Nor will my view change. I can point you to an equally well argued Blog saying Anna-Frid from ABBA did it but it's all total bollocks.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jun 4, 2020 19:05:38 GMT
Try reading this whatreallyhappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.com/2016/08/foreword.html (yeah I know there are 37 chapters) and see if your view changes. Written by Detective Superintendent (ret) Peter MacLeod (28 years with Nottinghamshire Police - Operations Commander of a large Division overseeing enquiries and investigations of all types) Whatever happens with Christian Brückner it will not explain away any anomalies around the case (the last pool photo, Eddie and Keela alerts, changing versions of events on the early police statements etc.) Nor will my view change. I can point you to an equalky well argued Blog saying Anna-Frid from ABBA did it but it's all total bollocks. Link?
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Post by Boothen on Jun 4, 2020 19:18:08 GMT
Still doesn't detract from the fact that these cunts left their 3 year old Daughter and 1 year old twins in a hotel room whilst they went out on the lash with mates. If they were Kevin and Tracy from the local council estate they'd have been investigated by social services, the police and vilified by the press/public. And most likely they'd have served time after being convicted of child neglect/endangerment.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2020 19:50:22 GMT
Still doesn't detract from the fact that these cunts left their 3 year old Daughter and 1 year old twins in a hotel room whilst they went out on the lash with mates. If they were Kevin and Tracy from the local council estate they'd have been investigated by social services, the police and vilified by the press/public. And most likely they'd have served time after being convicted of child neglect/endangerment. And to then refuse to answer police questions, produce a photo etc and smear the Portuguese Police as lazy Like I said, an abduction is as big a conspiracy theory as any as after 13 years there isn't a single piece of evidence that anyone took her that night or even entered the apartment.
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Post by Gods on Jun 4, 2020 20:19:00 GMT
Still doesn't detract from the fact that these cunts left their 3 year old Daughter and 1 year old twins in a hotel room whilst they went out on the lash with mates. If they were Kevin and Tracy from the local council estate they'd have been investigated by social services, the police and vilified by the press/public. And most likely they'd have served time after being convicted of child neglect/endangerment. And to then refuse to answer police questions, produce a photo etc and smear the Portuguese Police as lazy Like I said, an abduction is as big a conspiracy theory as any as after 13 years there isn't a single piece of evidence that anyone took her that night or even entered the apartment. Well my money's on this German loner camper van man presently doing time for child sex offences with a hobby job of breaking in to hotels and known to be on the blower in Praia on the night of the disappearance who transferred the ownership of his car the day after and is thought to be guilty by the combined police forces of Germany, Portugal and Great Britain who are close to the case. Perhaps it won't be but it's a better bet than ABBA's Anna-Frid, the parents themselves or the idea that Maddie was carried away by a swarm of bees all of which I have heard muted in the vacuum of a conviction.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jun 4, 2020 20:34:49 GMT
Sounds like it's the best lead they have had so far. Hopefully her parents get some closure. It would be great if she was still alive, but I don't think there will be much chance of that given the mark on her eye makes her more identifiable.
Her parents are already paying the ultimate price for neglecting her and they will for ever be punishing themselves for their mistake.
Some of the people on here a just vile, I just don't get it.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 4, 2020 20:47:57 GMT
Sounds like it's the best lead they have had so far. Hopefully her parents get some closure. It would be great if she was still alive, but I don't think there will be much chance of that given the mark on her eye makes her more identifiable. Her parents are already paying the ultimate price for neglecting her and they will for ever be punishing themselves for their mistake. Some of the people on here a just vile, I just don't get it. Agree with that. The parents have suffered enough. Problem is there is still no resolution and the More money that gets ploughed into this and the more publicity they get, the more people will be suspicious. And I for one can’t blame folk for believing the parents are involved. The money that’s been handed out is eye watering!
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Post by dutchstokie on Jun 4, 2020 20:54:36 GMT
Sounds like it's the best lead they have had so far. Hopefully her parents get some closure. It would be great if she was still alive, but I don't think there will be much chance of that given the mark on her eye makes her more identifiable. Her parents are already paying the ultimate price for neglecting her and they will for ever be punishing themselves for their mistake. Some of the people on here a just vile, I just don't get it. Agree with that. The parents have suffered enough. Problem is there is still no resolution and the More money that gets ploughed into this and the more publicity they get, the more people will be suspicious. And I for one can’t blame folk for believing the parents are involved. The money that’s been handed out is eye watering! Eye watering? Its fuckin disgusting is what it is. Ive read every single account, 4 reports, a couple of Books book and watched a LOT of films and documentaries on this and I can genuinely say that a huge majority of this situation points to a cover up - it fuckin stinks If that makes me vile then I Will have to live with it. At least I can sleep at night with a clear conscience Kate and Gerry cant
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 4, 2020 20:57:21 GMT
Agree with that. The parents have suffered enough. Problem is there is still no resolution and the More money that gets ploughed into this and the more publicity they get, the more people will be suspicious. And I for one can’t blame folk for believing the parents are involved. The money that’s been handed out is eye watering! Eye watering? Its fuckin disgusting is what it is. Ive read every single account, 4 reports, a couple of Books book and watched a LOT of films and documentaries on this and I can genuinely say that a huge majority of this situation points to a cover up - it fuckin stinks If that makes me vile then I Will have to live with it. At least I can sleep at night with a clear conscience Kate and Gerry cant I know what I believe. Just trying to be impartial 😉
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Post by lordb on Jun 4, 2020 21:03:58 GMT
Try reading this whatreallyhappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.com/2016/08/foreword.html (yeah I know there are 37 chapters) and see if your view changes. Written by Detective Superintendent (ret) Peter MacLeod (28 years with Nottinghamshire Police - Operations Commander of a large Division overseeing enquiries and investigations of all types) Whatever happens with Christian Brückner it will not explain away any anomalies around the case (the last pool photo, Eddie and Keela alerts, changing versions of events on the early police statements etc.) Nor will my view change. I can point you to an equally well argued Blog saying Anna-Frid from ABBA did it but it's all total bollocks. Her dad was a Nazi so maybe
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2020 21:52:21 GMT
And to then refuse to answer police questions, produce a photo etc and smear the Portuguese Police as lazy Like I said, an abduction is as big a conspiracy theory as any as after 13 years there isn't a single piece of evidence that anyone took her that night or even entered the apartment. Well my money's on this German loner camper van man presently doing time for child sex offences with a hobby job of breaking in to hotels and known to be on the blower in Praia on the night of the disappearance who transferred the ownership of his car the day after and is thought to be guilty by the combined police forces of Germany, Portugal and Great Britain who are close to the case. Perhaps it won't be but it's a better bet than ABBA's Anna-Frid, the parents themselves or the idea that Maddie was carried away by a swarm of bees all of which I have heard muted in the vacuum of a conviction. No conviction for ever breaking into an hotel, in prison for raping a 72 year old and is no more than the latest suspect in a long line.As for the combined forces of 3 countries thinking he is guilty, exactly where do you get that info from ? You keep bringing up the ABBA thing, not sure why as no one else has mentioned it. It was pointed out during the Amaral trial that the McCanns were never taken off the list of Arguido status in Portugal but you claim the entire force think they are guilty. Odd way of showing it.
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Post by starkiller on Jun 4, 2020 22:15:45 GMT
The way the police are deliberately presenting dirt on this suspect to be shown in the media seems more like prejudicing a trial, rather than proof.
These tactics make it look they're trying too hard to pin it on him. And stinks of desperation.
This is simply not how you go about an investigation, case and trial.
Any such case should be thrown out of court on these grounds alone.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2020 22:22:39 GMT
The way they are presenting dirt on this suspect to be shown in the media seems more like prejudicing a trial, rather than proof. These tactics make it look they're trying too hard to pin it on him. And stinks of desperation. Raymond Hewlitt all over again. Papers had convinced some he was guilty as was a paedo who was in the area at the time etc and police were closing in etc. He also lived in a 'ramshackled lair', exact wording they are using again.
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Post by Gods on Jun 4, 2020 22:42:45 GMT
Extraordinary when you think about it that a man with such a long list of convictions for sexual offending breaking in to flats and appartments and known to be present in the immediate vicinity at the time was not on the original list of key suspects. (I fully appreciate it was a half-arsed investigation from the Portuguese who just wanted the problem to go away.)
Bild reckons camper van man confessed to a friend that he might have had something to do with it.
I guess the evidence as it stands, compelling though it may be, remains circumstantial and may not be enough to sustain a conviction hence the appeal to the public.
The German police have made it as clear as they can that they know he did it, that Madeline is no longer alive, but can they secure a conviction for an offence so long ago and the earlier bungled efforts?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 5, 2020 7:08:29 GMT
The way the police are deliberately presenting dirt on this suspect to be shown in the media seems more like prejudicing a trial, rather than proof. These tactics make it look they're trying too hard to pin it on him. And stinks of desperation. This is simply not how you go about an investigation, case and trial. Any such case should be thrown out of court on these grounds alone. I don't think so. They've known about him for three years, have obviously been investigating, but said nothing until now. Hardly seems an act of desperation. The info they've released is presumably to try to get additional evidence via tip offs which is how they came to him in the first place. It seems much more likely to me that someone with a history of criminality including breaking and entering, burglary, sex offences, child pornography and rape, from the age of 17 onwards, might be responsible compared to her mum and dad with no previous convictions for any of that. But I had to laugh at a couple of the first posts after my last one. One stated that they'd never change their mind based on a book they'd read, the other pivoted to the neglect angle, just as predicted!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 5, 2020 7:19:49 GMT
Extraordinary when you think about it that a man with such a long list of convictions for sexual offending breaking in to flats and appartments and known to be present in the immediate vicinity at the time was not on the original list of key suspects. (I fully appreciate it was a half-arsed investigation from the Portuguese who just wanted the problem to go away.) Build reckons camper van man confessed to a friend that he might have had something to do with it. I guess the evidence as it stands, compelling though it may be, remains circumstantial and may not be enough to sustain a conviction hence the appeal to the public. The German police have made it as clear as they can that they know he did it, that Madeline is no longer alive, but can they secure a conviction for an offence so long ago and the earlier bungled efforts? Agreed, he seems a much more likely candidate than the McCanns frankly, but gathering the evidence to charge is obviously difficult. It reminds me of the Genette Tate case. Ian Black, now dead, was strongly in the frame for that, in the area at the time, history of petty offending, sexual offending, killed three young girls and in prison. Getting the evidence to secure a conviction was very difficult and he died just before the CPS were due to charge him. Again, strong circumstantial evidence and a profile of offending that fits.
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Post by bathstoke on Jun 5, 2020 7:31:16 GMT
The way the police are deliberately presenting dirt on this suspect to be shown in the media seems more like prejudicing a trial, rather than proof. These tactics make it look they're trying too hard to pin it on him. And stinks of desperation. This is simply not how you go about an investigation, case and trial. Any such case should be thrown out of court on these grounds alone. I don't think so. They've known about him for three years, have obviously been investigating, but said nothing until now. Hardly seems an act of desperation. The info they've released is presumably to try to get additional evidence via tip offs which is how they came to him in the first place. It seems much more likely to me that someone with a history of criminality including breaking and entering, burglary, sex offences, child pornography and rape, from the age of 17 onwards, might be responsible compared to her mum and dad with no previous convictions for any of that. But I had to laugh at a couple of the first posts after my last one. One stated that they'd never change their mind based on a book they'd read, the other pivoted to the neglect angle, just as predicted! Now where have we seen that pattern of thinking before🤔 💡Oh yeah, every £@#&!n thread!
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Post by chigstoke on Jun 5, 2020 7:59:27 GMT
Regardless of 'whodunnit' why on this earth have the Mccann's not been charged for neglect? If Mr German gets convicted then the McCann's should be done for neglect. They'd left 3 children unattended on their own. I cannot imagine in my mind how you could do that. If Common Colin and his wife had done it, he'd have been charged time ago.
Though whether you want to call me a tin foiler or not, I still think they had something to do with it. All of this screams of finding someone to desperately lay a charge on. Gerry and Kate will be sweating their tits off that this one goes through.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 5, 2020 8:10:18 GMT
Regardless of 'whodunnit' why on this earth have the Mccann's not been charged for neglect? If Mr German gets convicted then the McCann's should be done for neglect. They'd left 3 children unattended on their own. I cannot imagine in my mind how you could do that. If Common Colin and his wife had done it, he'd have been charged time ago. Though whether you want to call me a tin foiler or not, I still think they had something to do with it. All of this screams of finding someone to desperately lay a charge on. Gerry and Kate will be sweating their tits off that this one goes through.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jun 5, 2020 8:50:06 GMT
The way the police are deliberately presenting dirt on this suspect to be shown in the media seems more like prejudicing a trial, rather than proof. These tactics make it look they're trying too hard to pin it on him. And stinks of desperation. This is simply not how you go about an investigation, case and trial. Any such case should be thrown out of court on these grounds alone. I don't think so. They've known about him for three years, have obviously been investigating, but said nothing until now. Hardly seems an act of desperation. The info they've released is presumably to try to get additional evidence via tip offs which is how they came to him in the first place. It seems much more likely to me that someone with a history of criminality including breaking and entering, burglary, sex offences, child pornography and rape, from the age of 17 onwards, might be responsible compared to her mum and dad with no previous convictions for any of that. But I had to laugh at a couple of the first posts after my last one. One stated that they'd never change their mind based on a book they'd read, the other pivoted to the neglect angle, just as predicted! If that was aimed at me I didn't state what I think happened. I don't think the McCann's murdered her. Complicit in her demise, yes. If you want to swallow this load of jism (© Sheikhmomo) then that's your prerogative. Having read the official PJ files (have you?) it will take a compelling case rather than a convenient patsy to sway my opinion. The Canon PowerShot A620 camera which took the iconic last photo allegedly on 3.7.07, was not surrendered to the PJ with their other camera, passports etc between 12.30-4am on 4th May. On 20th May Gerry McCann flew to England, and returned home. He returned to Portugal on 22nd May, with Clarence Mitchell. The “Last Photo” was released through the AFP agency on 24th May. Why would they do this?
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Post by noustie on Jun 5, 2020 9:10:52 GMT
For me who is responsible can be batted back and forth all day long at this point but who is accountable is irrefutable.
In terms of suffering of the parents look at interviews with Sara Payne's mum or James Bulger's mum - that's what suffering looks like! That poor woman is still absolutely haunted by losing sight of her son in a shopping centre.
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Post by maxplonk on Jun 5, 2020 9:18:35 GMT
On the day that British daily Covid 19 deaths exceed those for the rest of the EU combined? Nah!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 5, 2020 9:21:33 GMT
I don't think so. They've known about him for three years, have obviously been investigating, but said nothing until now. Hardly seems an act of desperation. The info they've released is presumably to try to get additional evidence via tip offs which is how they came to him in the first place. It seems much more likely to me that someone with a history of criminality including breaking and entering, burglary, sex offences, child pornography and rape, from the age of 17 onwards, might be responsible compared to her mum and dad with no previous convictions for any of that. But I had to laugh at a couple of the first posts after my last one. One stated that they'd never change their mind based on a book they'd read, the other pivoted to the neglect angle, just as predicted! If that was aimed at me I didn't state what I think happened. I don't think the McCann's murdered her. Complicit in her demise, yes. If you want to swallow this load of jism (© Sheikhmomo) then that's your prerogative. Having read the official PJ files (have you?) it will take a compelling case rather than a convenient patsy to sway my opinion. The Canon PowerShot A620 camera which took the iconic last photo allegedly on 3.7.07, was not surrendered to the PJ with their other camera, passports etc between 12.30-4am on 4th May. On 20th May Gerry McCann flew to England, and returned home. He returned to Portugal on 22nd May, with Clarence Mitchell. The “Last Photo” was released through the AFP agency on 24th May. Why would they do this? No idea, I haven't looked into it in anything like the depth you clearly have. My take is that I've an open mind about it. It's a terrible tragedy for any parent to go through and I'd rather let the proper authorities go through the appropriate investigatory channels instead of speculating wildly and refusing to change my mind.
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