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Post by cousindupree on Jun 5, 2017 10:10:51 GMT
Wow those actions taken by the ME states are incredibly tough and no taken lightly. There must be some serious shit going on in Qatar for that to happen. The decision to award Qatar was wrong on so many levels.I can't believe anyone was happy with this. It will of course still go ahead and for anyone thinking of going..expect a truly dreadful experience. I lived out in the ME for 10 yrs and visited Qatar often. Trust me it will be a nightmare for fans.
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Post by Northy on Jun 5, 2017 10:22:49 GMT
Wow those actions taken by the ME states are incredibly tough and no taken lightly. There must be some serious shit going on in Qatar for that to happen. The decision to award Qatar was wrong on so many levels.I can't believe anyone was happy with this. It will of course still go ahead and for anyone thinking of going..expect a truly dreadful experience. I lived out in the ME for 10 yrs and visited Qatar often. Trust me it will be a nightmare for fans. there were a few who were happy with it, Platini, Blatter etc. I keep in touch with an old poster off here, spanishstokey, he has lived in Doha for a few years, he says its not the best but the money is good. One of my lads is working in kuwait atm, same again the moneys OK but a struggle in Ramadam, as they cant be seeing to eat or drink, not good for a geologist working in 45'c
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 5, 2017 10:41:11 GMT
if the Saudi's are cutting ties, then they must be bad personally i think the teams and fans should boycott it in protest the rules were bent to fit their bid (inc moving it 6 months down the line to xmas) and i would be staggered if any fans thought it would be a good idea to go how many people have died building the ghost cities and stadia? i' genuinely going to avoid it when it's on Like most fans in this country I think the award of the World Cup to Qatar was a disaster. However, I suspect this latest move by Saudi Arabia is more to do with their perception that the more flack Qatar gets, the more it deflects attention from the very dubious record of Saudi both in supporting/providing a safe haven for ISIS and similar groups, and their own record of abuse of the civilian population in Yemen.
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Post by cousindupree on Jun 5, 2017 19:39:15 GMT
if the Saudi's are cutting ties, then they must be bad personally i think the teams and fans should boycott it in protest the rules were bent to fit their bid (inc moving it 6 months down the line to xmas) and i would be staggered if any fans thought it would be a good idea to go how many people have died building the ghost cities and stadia? i' genuinely going to avoid it when it's on Like most fans in this country I think the award of the World Cup to Qatar was a disaster. However, I suspect this latest move by Saudi Arabia is more to do with their perception that the more flack Qatar gets, the more it deflects attention from the very dubious record of Saudi both in supporting/providing a safe haven for ISIS and similar groups, and their own record of abuse of the civilian population in Yemen. I get the Saudi comment and it's a bit rich for the Saudis to criticise anyone about funding terrorists or indeed human rights. But it's a major surprise to see UAE follow suit. It's unheard of that the Emirates would do anything to affect business which this clearly will do big time. There is definitely more to this than the Saudis deflecting attention. The measure imposed have serious consequences to the whole region
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Jun 6, 2017 7:21:08 GMT
Those leaked Hillary Clinton emails from 2016 on Wikileaks showed that Qatar (and Saudi Arabia) are funding ISIS.
“We need to use our diplomatic and more traditional intelligence assets to bring pressure on the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to Isis and other radical groups in the region.” - from a state department memo in Aug 2014 that appeared on Wikileaks in Hillary Clinton's leaked emails last year.
The Americans think that both Qatar and Saudi Arabia wanted Sunni muslims to wipe out the Yazidis in the region and undermine the Assad regime in Syria but the leaked documents mentioned growing rival ambitions between Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jun 6, 2017 7:52:01 GMT
A substantial amount of it [food] is transported across the border from Saudi Arabia, which is being closed. That is also an important route for construction materials - needed for the energy industry and for the preparations for the 2022 football world cup.
How long before this pushes the timetable far enough back to need a decision I wonder?
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 6, 2017 8:43:15 GMT
Bloody hell. It really is a chaos cluster. I suppose a lot depends on when these embargos get lifted.
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Post by toppercorner on Jun 6, 2017 8:46:12 GMT
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jun 6, 2017 8:48:37 GMT
Bloody hell. It really is a chaos cluster. I suppose a lot depends on when these embargos get lifted. There always seems to be a bit of a panic towards the end of any major sporting infrastructure program. This must start to affect the'wriggle room' at some point, but is that after days, weeks, months or years?
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 6, 2017 8:58:31 GMT
Remember, as much as we like to imply they victimise us the fact is England is crap at football diplomacy.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 6, 2017 9:02:07 GMT
Bloody hell. It really is a chaos cluster. I suppose a lot depends on when these embargos get lifted. There always seems to be a bit of a panic towards the end of any major sporting infrastructure program. This must start to affect the'wriggle room' at some point, but is that after days, weeks, months or years? Well they will have had 12 years to get it right. There's still five years now. But if it's going to be moved it needs to be before next June.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jun 6, 2017 9:03:29 GMT
There always seems to be a bit of a panic towards the end of any major sporting infrastructure program. This must start to affect the'wriggle room' at some point, but is that after days, weeks, months or years? Well they will have had 12 years to get it right. There's still five years now. But if it's going to be moved it needs to be before next June. Why next June Joe?
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 6, 2017 9:07:09 GMT
Well they will have had 12 years to get it right. There's still five years now. But if it's going to be moved it needs to be before next June. Why next June Joe? Because it's common sense everything is in place before a World Cup.
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Post by eddyclamp on Jun 6, 2017 9:08:13 GMT
Remember, as much as we like to imply they victimise us the fact is England is crap at football diplomacy. Perhaps it`s not a case of diplomacy but it`s a case that we are not bent
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 6, 2017 9:11:57 GMT
Remember, as much as we like to imply they victimise us the fact is England is crap at football diplomacy. Perhaps it`s not a case of diplomacy but it`s a case that we are not bent Yes we are. During the bidding for 2018 the England bid broke plenty of the rules to gain advantage. Not on the scale which leads the FBI kicking your door down but don't be thinking it was whiter than white.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jun 6, 2017 9:16:39 GMT
Because it's common sense everything is in place before a World Cup. Right. I was thinking there was some FIFA by-law or something that set an abort date x months before scheduled start of the tournament.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 6, 2017 9:19:38 GMT
Because it's common sense everything is in place before a World Cup. Right. I was thinking there was some FIFA by-law or something that set an abort date x months before scheduled start of the tournament. There might well be now you mention it but I'm not aware of it. Although when it comes to England hosting 2022 they don't like it being on the same continent twice running and by far the best bid for 2022 was the USA.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jun 6, 2017 9:34:14 GMT
Right. I was thinking there was some FIFA by-law or something that set an abort date x months before scheduled start of the tournament. There might well be now you mention it but I'm not aware of it. Although when it comes to England hosting 2022 they don't like it being on the same continent twice running and by far the best bid for 2022 was the USA. If they took it off Qatar (should never have been there in the first place) then the politics will kick in. Can you imagine the hysteria: Trump visits ME, two weeks later Qatar is trade sanctioned by near neighbours, 2022 WC moved to US? Main stream media would be like a dog with two dicks.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 6, 2017 10:12:32 GMT
The fact that FIFA is now sponsored by Qatar Airways tells you all you need to know about a) why Qatar was awarded the cup in the first place and b) how unlikely it is that there will be a U turn by FIFA to award it to England - or anyone else.
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Post by toppercorner on Jun 6, 2017 12:10:20 GMT
Remember, as much as we like to imply they victimise us the fact is England is crap at football diplomacy. i think the point i was trying to make, but got lost, was that if the Qatar WC was taken off them (unlikely) then we wouldn't need years and years of planning and preparation to host it unlike other nations. i genuinely think we could get it together in under a year if need be we have some of the best facilities in the world already in constant use for fans and as a proper footballing country we would welcome it al with open arms
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 6, 2017 12:30:22 GMT
Remember, as much as we like to imply they victimise us the fact is England is crap at football diplomacy. i think the point i was trying to make, but got lost, was that if the Qatar WC was taken off them (unlikely) then we wouldn't need years and years of planning and preparation to host it unlike other nations. i genuinely think we could get it together in under a year if need be we have some of the best facilities in the world already in constant use for fans and as a proper footballing country we would welcome it al with open arms Agree but would they have it on the same continent twice in a row.?
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Post by shrewspotter on Jun 6, 2017 12:35:45 GMT
They should never have had it in the first place and that goes for Russia too, surprised Blatter hasn't been jailed yet
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Post by toppercorner on Jun 6, 2017 12:47:54 GMT
i think the point i was trying to make, but got lost, was that if the Qatar WC was taken off them (unlikely) then we wouldn't need years and years of planning and preparation to host it unlike other nations. i genuinely think we could get it together in under a year if need be we have some of the best facilities in the world already in constant use for fans and as a proper footballing country we would welcome it al with open arms Agree but would they have it on the same continent twice in a row.? in extreme circumstances, i don't see why not, as mentioned, it would be the short turnaround time on getting it ready that is key for us it would be win win for everyone it would stop us moaning, they know that they would get it on the cheap as the money has been spent in qatar, it gives them reason to fully exploit new territories afterwards, looks like good PR for them after the disastrous campaigns of Blatter and Co Also back to the traditional summer tournament, other nations fans would also easily be able to get there, the positives are endless for all parties
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 6, 2017 15:08:35 GMT
Should have been Australia, what an amazing experience that would have been for all involved.
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Post by mattador78 on Jun 6, 2017 15:18:37 GMT
As I understand I read something years ago whereby we are on an emergency stand by list for world cups euros due too our high standard of infrastructure and stadiums
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jun 6, 2017 15:41:17 GMT
i think the point i was trying to make, but got lost, was that if the Qatar WC was taken off them (unlikely) then we wouldn't need years and years of planning and preparation to host it unlike other nations. i genuinely think we could get it together in under a year if need be we have some of the best facilities in the world already in constant use for fans and as a proper footballing country we would welcome it al with open arms Agree but would they have it on the same continent twice in a row.? I though them not doing that was always down to an actual FIFA policy of "Continental rotation", which was abandoned a few years ago wasn't it? If they have to suffer the embarrassment of taking the WC away from Qatar (which it would be for many reasons given how unhappy many were at the original awarding of it) then i can't see them risking further embarrassment by awarding it to somewhere who won't have anywhere near as much time to get ready for it and therefore that possibly going tits up as well. They'd just need to save face so i'd imagine they'd give it to someone who can absolutely guarantee having everything in place in time, that's got to put us in the running at least.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 7, 2017 4:40:47 GMT
Agree but would they have it on the same continent twice in a row.? I though them not doing that was always down to an actual FIFA policy of "Continental rotation", which was abandoned a few years ago wasn't it? If they have to suffer the embarrassment of taking the WC away from Qatar (which it would be for many reasons given how unhappy many were at the original awarding of it) then i can't see them risking further embarrassment by awarding it to somewhere who won't have anywhere near as much time to get ready for it and therefore that possibly going tits up as well. They'd just need to save face so i'd imagine they'd give it to someone who can absolutely guarantee having everything in place in time, that's got to put us in the running at least. Or the USA.
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Post by Northy on Jun 7, 2017 5:17:31 GMT
FIFA are currently sponsored by Qatar airways, hard to see it not going ahead in Qatar
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 26, 2017 21:36:14 GMT
Claims of alleged corruption in Qatar's successful 2022 World Cup bid have been published in the German media. link
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jun 26, 2017 22:00:34 GMT
Qatar bid corrupt? Really? BBC
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