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Post by essexstokey on Sept 6, 2013 16:44:52 GMT
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 6, 2013 23:48:15 GMT
One of the criteria for a country having the privilege of hosting a World Cup should be a commitment by the host to pay a minimum wage to those who produce the infrastructure
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2013 2:36:18 GMT
Another one of FIFA's host criteria for any nation bidding on a World Cup is that they must have 6 major city's. Qatar have 2. Their rationale to FIFA? "We'll build four by 2022...". It's staggering isn't it?
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Post by huuuuuth on Sept 7, 2013 4:54:52 GMT
The whole thing fucking stinks FIFA are so corrupt, even 'Arry wouldn't go near them with a shitty stick
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Post by Pedropotter on Sept 7, 2013 5:18:23 GMT
"More workers will die building World Cup infrastructure than players will take to the football pitch unless steps are taken to reform working conditions in Qatar." Shocking.
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 7, 2013 7:13:15 GMT
Agree, yet another reason it should be moved
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2013 7:17:31 GMT
It's time for supporters everywhere to unite against fifa corruption and protest the qatar decision. I'm sure fans in many countries would support it. Has our football supporters federation made any comment?
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Post by underdog on Sept 7, 2013 8:19:45 GMT
That's a great post, really important issue, thanks
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2013 9:28:12 GMT
It's time for supporters everywhere to unite against fifa corruption and protest the qatar decision. I'm sure fans in many countries would support it. Has our football supporters federation made any comment? I think with the issues of drink, how women are treated and just the conditions for the fans/players with the heat....the stupidity of it all will stop people travelling. My belief is that the stadiums will be full, but not of fans from around the world....the locals will be rounded up to fill the empty seats to save face. FIFA are a disgrace, however people aim their venom at Blatter.....but look at England, France, Spain, Germany, Italy, Brazil etc..... have ANY of these countries actually said "No!" .... "You are corrupt, this is wrong, playing in this tournament would be to support it"...."Change it or we don't go"..... No. Nothing. Easy to have a pop at the cartoon figure head that is Blatter. We make up FIFA and by going along with it we are as bad as those made the decision.We should be going forking nuts at our own FA and make a stance. Are we though.....No? Thought not. Edit - (sorry, I am in agreement with bigtimepete, reading that back it didn't read that way)
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Post by chinupstokie on Sept 7, 2013 9:44:21 GMT
As an ardent England Fan, I will be in Kiev on Tuesday, I dont want anything to do with the world cup in Quatar.I will not be going to or watching any of the games or qualifying games.
In any event, I think well before 2022 the ground swell of public opinion against FIFA will eventually filter through to the national associations making this a tournamnet too hot to handle. Add to this the massive contractual battles which will take place when they inevitably decide to change to a winter tournament will lead to FIFA haveing imploded well before 2022. What then? Who knows.
But as the article says, this is a problem of FIFA's own making.
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Post by xxstokiestanxx on Sept 7, 2013 9:47:27 GMT
It's time for supporters everywhere to unite against fifa corruption and protest the qatar decision. I'm sure fans in many countries would support it. Has our football supporters federation made any comment? I think with the issues of drink, how women are treated and just the conditions for the fans/players with the heat....the stupidity of it all will stop people travelling. My belief is that the stadiums will be full, but not of fans from around the world....the locals will be rounded up to fill the empty seats to save face. FIFA are a disgrace, however people aim their venom at Blatter.....but look at England, France, Spain, Germany, Italy, Brazil etc..... have ANY of these countries actually said "No!" .... "You are corrupt, this is wrong, playing in this tournament would be to support it"...."Change it or we don't go"..... No. Nothing. Easy to have a pop at the cartoon figure head that is Blatter. We make up FIFA and by going along with it we are as bad as those made the decision.We should be going forking nuts at our own FA and make a stance. Are we though.....No? Thought not. Edit - (sorry, I am in agreement with bigtimepete, reading that back it didn't read that way) Totally agree with this.
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Post by sage on Sept 7, 2013 11:54:10 GMT
How many blatant and shocking human rights/equality/logistical problems that would have all been totally obvious to anyone with 2 brain cells before Qatar even won their bid must be reported on before someone takes FIFA properly to task for being a bunch of corrupt incompetent wankers? How are they getting away with it?
Wipe the slate clean, bar everyone in the current FIFA setup from standing for election to the new body and put in place a more democratic and transparent system of governance, before FIFA's corruption does any more damage to the standing of the game.
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Post by boothenesque on Sept 7, 2013 11:58:13 GMT
So build 4 cities just so that there is then a city to build a stadium in, rich people already rich but wanting more enslaving and preying on poor desperate people, where per capita is £68,0000 and these get £6.40 for a 10 hour shift, in a country miles from anywhere, strict laws alien to football culture, too hot to play football, all this just to kick a bag of air on grass. It seems a new level of obsceninity has been reached. How do Blatter and Platini sleep at night. Can never figure out why rich people want so much more that they have to make someone else suffer for their disproportionate gain. If these rich guys want to build cities for something so meaningless why don't they roll up their sleeves and crack on with it themselves. Easy to say I guess but these people doing to work should just down tools and go back home to their families to build stuff, important stuff, for their own communities and families rather than these rich parasites.
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Post by westaussiestokie on Sept 7, 2013 12:15:45 GMT
I was looking forward when I was younger to these 2 world cups because they would be the easiest for me to attend but not real keen on travelling to Russia and I definitely won't be going to Qatar due to the whole human rights issue, banning of homosexuals, poor women's rights and a backward prehistoric laws system. May aswell hold the 2026 World Cup in North Korea!
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Post by sheikh al dubai bin stokie on Sept 7, 2013 12:25:54 GMT
lazy journalism and poor standard of comments on this post. Yes, it might seem a low wage to you in your ivory towers in the west, but what choice to these guys have? sleeping in the streets of india, pakistan, bangladesh etc with nothing.
this allows them to feed and shelter their families back home.
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 7, 2013 12:41:49 GMT
lazy journalism and poor standard of comments on this post. Yes, it might seem a low wage to you in your ivory towers in the west, but what choice to these guys have? sleeping in the streets of india, pakistan, bangladesh etc with nothing. this allows them to feed and shelter their families back home. A state with so much wealth could also afford to pay workers a real wage; this would also allow them to feed and shelter their families. That Qatar chooses to treat its work force as 4th class human beings is another example of why such a barbaric culture still inhabiting the dark ages should not have been even allowed to enter the world cup, let alonr be awarded the honour of hosting it. The corruption and incompetency at the heart of FIFA is there for all to see.
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Post by sheikh al dubai bin stokie on Sept 7, 2013 12:47:20 GMT
lazy journalism and poor standard of comments on this post. Yes, it might seem a low wage to you in your ivory towers in the west, but what choice to these guys have? sleeping in the streets of india, pakistan, bangladesh etc with nothing. this allows them to feed and shelter their families back home. A state with so much wealth could also afford to pay workers a real wage; this would also allow them to feed and shelter their families. That qatar chooses to treat its work force as 4th class human beings is another example of why such a barbaric culture still inhabiting the dark ages should noy have beeneven allowed to enter the world cup, ley alon be awarded the honour of hosting it. The corruption and incompetency at the heart of FIFA is there for all to see. you know nothing... and you expose your ignorance.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Sept 7, 2013 12:55:06 GMT
lazy journalism and poor standard of comments on this post. Yes, it might seem a low wage to you in your ivory towers in the west, but what choice to these guys have? sleeping in the streets of india, pakistan, bangladesh etc with nothing. this allows them to feed and shelter their families back home. Load of Bolloxs, pure exploitation,,
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Post by westaussiestokie on Sept 7, 2013 12:56:34 GMT
A state with so much wealth could also afford to pay workers a real wage; this would also allow them to feed and shelter their families. That qatar chooses to treat its work force as 4th class human beings is another example of why such a barbaric culture still inhabiting the dark ages should noy have beeneven allowed to enter the world cup, ley alon be awarded the honour of hosting it. The corruption and incompetency at the heart of FIFA is there for all to see. you know nothing... and you expose your ignorance. So you don't agree that these workers should be exposed to acceptable working conditions and pay? Yes they get to feed their families back home for a month or two then what happens if they die from being overworked or exposed to diseases without any health care? It's the rich taking full advantage of people's situation and it is completely morally and ethically wrong imo
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 7, 2013 13:02:26 GMT
A state with so much wealth could also afford to pay workers a real wage; this would also allow them to feed and shelter their families. That qatar chooses to treat its work force as 4th class human beings is another example of why such a barbaric culture still inhabiting the dark ages should noy have beeneven allowed to enter the world cup, ley alon be awarded the honour of hosting it. The corruption and incompetency at the heart of FIFA is there for all to see. you know nothing... and you expose your ignorance. I'm pretty sure you must be a prize tit or a wum.
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Post by boothenesque on Sept 7, 2013 13:13:22 GMT
lazy journalism and poor standard of comments on this post. Yes, it might seem a low wage to you in your ivory towers in the west, but what choice to these guys have? sleeping in the streets of india, pakistan, bangladesh etc with nothing. this allows them to feed and shelter their families back home. Have you not seen the documentary Slumdogs and millionaires about Dubai? These guys don't get to send money home to their families, that's the whole point. If they are lucky or live long enough they can buy themselves out of the "contract" they've been duped into and get back to their families in around 15 years time having never had enough to send back if indeed they have been paid anything. They are there to work and die for as little as possible. Of course they've left because of their desperate plight back home. Your argument seems to be that because their life back home is so shit that it justifies them going to a place that is just as shit or more shit. It's not just that they are leaving shit to go to shit to be paid shit and live in shit but they are doing it for shit. I would rather top myself than be a socialist and would pride myself of dare I say alost being a Thatcherite Tory but this is just plain evil and wrong. We should be helping them build their communities at home not doing this and just for football ffs.
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 7, 2013 13:27:44 GMT
Arrh yes, capitalism/corruption at it's finest. "You can not serve two Gods..."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2013 13:30:04 GMT
lazy journalism and poor standard of comments on this post. Yes, it might seem a low wage to you in your ivory towers in the west, but what choice to these guys have? sleeping in the streets of india, pakistan, bangladesh etc with nothing. this allows them to feed and shelter their families back home. Says the guy whose likely to be part of creating the exploitation that goes on in those parts. Bravo.
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Post by rawli on Sept 7, 2013 13:34:12 GMT
Another one of FIFA's host criteria for any nation bidding on a World Cup is that they must have 6 major city's. Qatar have 2. rationale to FIFA? "We'll build four by 2022...". It's staggering isn't it? I think you'll find the main criteria for FIFA executives is how much money they can pocket from the bidding country. This criteria is non-negotiable while all other criteria are up for grabs.
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Post by sheikh al dubai bin stokie on Sept 7, 2013 13:58:35 GMT
lazy journalism and poor standard of comments on this post. Yes, it might seem a low wage to you in your ivory towers in the west, but what choice to these guys have? sleeping in the streets of india, pakistan, bangladesh etc with nothing. this allows them to feed and shelter their families back home. Says the guy whose likely to be part of creating the exploitation that goes on in those parts. Bravo. ignorant and unintelligent.. bravo to you
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Post by sheikh al dubai bin stokie on Sept 7, 2013 14:00:45 GMT
you know nothing... and you expose your ignorance. I'm pretty sure you must be a prize tit or a wum. right.. pretty keen to understand what you're basing this major knowledge of this region on?.. Im making a long shot educated guess that you have none. So why dont you keep your opinions to yourself you infantile idiot.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2013 14:01:10 GMT
lazy journalism and poor standard of comments on this post. Yes, it might seem a low wage to you in your ivory towers in the west, but what choice to these guys have? sleeping in the streets of india, pakistan, bangladesh etc with nothing. this allows them to feed and shelter their families back home. To be fair, I kinda of agree and get this though. In the 1700s/1800s we paid the same to our poor (who lived on the streets)....they grew as a class and demanded higher wages...better conditions....etc....A country can't just arrive at a place where a minimum wage happens from day one. We (UK companies) manufacture in China because of similar low wages to benefit from lower goods. Most people here will have an iphone/dyson etc.... The low wages, especially in construction, is not a great thing over there, the arabs could choose to pay more....but do we choose to pay more for our products to accommodate higher wages or to allow manufacture of our goods in more traditional countries with adequate labour laws? Nope! No we dont! We go for the cheapest 99 times out of a 100. A big reason why our own pottery industry has been ripped apart. That one is a global issue, not really a middle east thing.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Sept 7, 2013 14:04:16 GMT
We still pay about the same, its just that business can still make savage profits, open your eyes and mind
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2013 14:07:17 GMT
We still pay about the same, its just that business can still make savage profits, open your eyes and mind No hope. We pay loads more. And ... what also gets missed..... National Insurance, Pensions, Tax...+ insurances, sick pay, holiday pay. Laws that allow unions, employee rights..... Attachment Deleted
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Post by sheikh al dubai bin stokie on Sept 7, 2013 14:12:53 GMT
lazy journalism and poor standard of comments on this post. Yes, it might seem a low wage to you in your ivory towers in the west, but what choice to these guys have? sleeping in the streets of india, pakistan, bangladesh etc with nothing. this allows them to feed and shelter their families back home. Have you not seen the documentary Slumdogs and millionaires about Dubai? These guys don't get to send money home to their families, that's the whole point. If they are lucky or live long enough they can buy themselves out of the "contract" they've been duped into and get back to their families in around 15 years time having never had enough to send back if indeed they have been paid anything. They are there to work and die for as little as possible. Of course they've left because of their desperate plight back home. Your argument seems to be that because their life back home is so shit that it justifies them going to a place that is just as shit or more shit. It's not just that they are leaving shit to go to shit to be paid shit and live in shit but they are doing it for shit. I would rather top myself than be a socialist and would pride myself of dare I say alost being a Thatcherite Tory but this is just plain evil and wrong. We should be helping them build their communities at home not doing this and just for football ffs. ok - then answer me this. Every year,or every 2 these workers go home for a month, or 2 depending on their contract. Nearly all of them comes back, without fail, for more of the same. so if this is so terrible, so awful, so outrageous why would they make an independent, conscious decision to do that?? its not like they have a gun pointed at their heads.
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