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Post by werrington on Jun 6, 2015 11:44:00 GMT
Will any of them be at the European Cup final? I think they are confined to Switzerland joe ? |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 6, 2015 11:47:28 GMT
Will any of them be at the European Cup final? I think they are confined to Switzerland joe ? Platini will be there though I would assume. Will he get the jeers he desrves?? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 6, 2015 14:19:04 GMT
Reading this stuff that's emerging now, begs the question, just exactly what mandate does FIFA have to even continue to exist? It's a registered charity that doesn't pay tax, surely the whole rotten thing needs to be disbanded and something completely new put in it's place. Just what justification is there for it to continue? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 6, 2015 14:29:01 GMT
Reading this stuff that's emerging now, begs the question, just exactly what mandate does FIFA have to even to continue to exist? It's a registered charity that doesn't pay tax, surely the whole rotten thing needs to be disbanded and something completely new put in it's place. Just what justification is there for it to continue? Indeed, it's too rotten to the core. Blow it up and start again. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 17:11:27 GMT
Reading this stuff that's emerging now, begs the question, just exactly what mandate does FIFA have to even continue to exist? It's a registered charity that doesn't pay tax, surely the whole rotten thing needs to be disbanded and something completely new put in it's place. Just what justification is there for it to continue? This is the burning heart of the issue Paul. I believe that the culture or FIFA ego within the rank and file all the way to their executive committee and Blatter is so disconnected from the grass roots of 22 players and a ball that it suffers from what psychologists would describe as "God Syndrome". Put simply FIFA believes that is the centre of its own universe and that everything around it or rather anything which is not FIFA, merely inhabits "the world of objects" and can therefore be disregarded without recourse to law or a commitment to a standard of corporate governance. It's a sick puppy, so sick in fact that Sepp Blatter also fundamentally believes that he alone can actually heal it. He's the problem. In terms of it's justification, it's obvious that the game needs a technical body to maintain rules and handle discipline etc. This technical responsibility can be very easily managed by UEFA or CONCACAF...any of the confederations essentially. However, the two big problem areas are the membership and the bid assessment process, and then the TV rights and sonsors/advertisers. So the way FIFA interacts with these processes needs to be fundamentally transparent. A NEW FIFA must also be fully committed to financial openness, sustainability and human rights. In fact everything that is wrong about OLD FIFA is ironically summarised very well in the flawed bid and subsequent disastrous award of the 2022 World Cup to Qatar. For me, whatever type of FIFA that comes next needs to much leaner. I'd cut the staff back to no more than 100 and ditch the cumbersome membership structure. I'd lose the conferences, the Swiss HQ, forget the lavish hospitality, make gifts illegal, stop the banquets, and cap the host nation budget (if they cant host comfortably host a WC now, then i'm sorry but they aren't a footballing nation). It's Presidency should rotate every four years between each of the footballing federations leaders who meet the fit and proper person criteria. In short ditch the gilt edged circus that FIFA has become and go for an agile, lean and open enterprise with audited books and staffed by fit and proper individuals whose only interest is to host an event where the football does the talking. Dismantle FIFA? 100% absolutely yes. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Jun 6, 2015 17:31:12 GMT
Reading this stuff that's emerging now, begs the question, just exactly what mandate does FIFA have to even continue to exist? It's a registered charity that doesn't pay tax, surely the whole rotten thing needs to be disbanded and something completely new put in it's place. Just what justification is there for it to continue? I agree Paul, but who do you trust to put in its place? I would have no faith in anybody from FIFA as it stands or any other figures involved in the administration of football, including our FA. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 7, 2015 0:19:54 GMT
Blatter hasn't gone anywhere yet. What is he up to??
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 5:13:06 GMT
Blatter hasn't gone anywhere yet. What is he up to?? Paper shredding. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 7, 2015 5:19:29 GMT
Blatter hasn't gone anywhere yet. What is he up to?? Paper shredding. Yes. And computer destroying. |
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Post by Northy on Jun 7, 2015 6:07:45 GMT
Reading this stuff that's emerging now, begs the question, just exactly what mandate does FIFA have to even continue to exist? It's a registered charity that doesn't pay tax, surely the whole rotten thing needs to be disbanded and something completely new put in it's place. Just what justification is there for it to continue? I agree Paul, but who do you trust to put in its place? I would have no faith in anybody from FIFA as it stands or any other figures involved in the administration of football, including our FA. Get Prince William and Harry to start up a new organisation, get them doing something useful and long term, hopefully they have enough cash and integrity to keep it free from corruption. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 6:38:05 GMT
Breaking now - Sunday Times. Apparently Morocco won the 2010 WC bid fair and square (they only paid a teeny-weeny £1mill sweetener).
All was going well for Morocco until South Africa came along and offered Jack Warner a cool £10mill, the rest is history. Also Jonathan Calvert (Sunday Times) also saying that Germany 2006 was a "very dirty deal" as well. More to come...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 7, 2015 9:36:40 GMT
Reading this stuff that's emerging now, begs the question, just exactly what mandate does FIFA have to even continue to exist? It's a registered charity that doesn't pay tax, surely the whole rotten thing needs to be disbanded and something completely new put in it's place. Just what justification is there for it to continue? I agree Paul, but who do you trust to put in its place? I would have no faith in anybody from FIFA as it stands or any other figures involved in the administration of football, including our FA. This is a very good question MD and I don't have an answer. And just as importantly I guess - who is going to provide the motivation for it to happen (aren't a lot of the associations around the world already tainted in some way themselves?) and who exactly is going to make a decision/vote on what comes next? How was the IOC reformed and do we look to this for guidance? |
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Post by ukcstokie on Jun 8, 2015 8:58:59 GMT
The one thing FIFA really needs to stop is the different football associations passing money around between each other. I'm sure I read that our FA paid money to improve facilities in the Caribbean. As soon as you have FA buying or giving money to other FAs you have problems.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 8, 2015 9:39:26 GMT
The one thing FIFA really needs to stop is the different football associations passing money around between each other. I'm sure I read that our FA paid money to improve facilities in the Caribbean. As soon as you have FA buying or giving money to other FAs you have problems. I don't think that is actually a problem in itself. If football is to expand then a way has to be found to help the poorer countries improve their facilities - and the richer countries (and their fans at World Cups and their sales of TV rights) are the only source of funding so there has to be a formal redistribution of funds from rich to poor nations. The problem up to now has been that the poorer nations (rightly or wrongly) have felt that the redistribution only happens because Blatter and his cronies have made it happen. The first thing the NEW FIFA would need to do would be to write it into its constitution that there HAD TO BE A REDITRIBUTION OF WEALTH from rich to poor countries AND DEFINE what constitutes a rich and a poor country and the MECHANISM by which the redistribution would be effected. If that is done and done properly then who the head of FIFA happens to be becomes less important as far as the developing countries are concerned. All countries (rich or poor or in between) need to start voting for the head of FIFA by how efficiently and impartially he or she runs the organisation, how good his or her ideas are, not on how open to bribery he or she and his or her minions are. And the best way to do this is to ensure that who gets what is NOT at the WHIM of the person at the top. |
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Post by Northy on Jun 8, 2015 10:02:47 GMT
The one thing FIFA really needs to stop is the different football associations passing money around between each other. I'm sure I read that our FA paid money to improve facilities in the Caribbean. As soon as you have FA buying or giving money to other FAs you have problems. Agreed, it should go into a seperate fund for redistrubution, run by a team similar to trustees and only they pass funds once it has been agreed and minuted at a formal meeting etc. |
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Post by stokiejoe on Jun 8, 2015 10:14:00 GMT
FIFA should only be an over-arching body representing the collective views of its membetship with a role in discipline. Most professional bodies have similar. It should not of itself impose its views but at most recommend policy to be voted upon. Members have allowed it to become an entity in itself with spending power.
The other thing that needs to be addressed is the voting system; at present each FA has an equal vote even though there is a huge disparity in relative size. A method of proportional voting needs to be put in place rather like the TUC.
Also fixed terms of office.
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Post by ukcstokie on Jun 8, 2015 10:30:49 GMT
The one thing FIFA really needs to stop is the different football associations passing money around between each other. I'm sure I read that our FA paid money to improve facilities in the Caribbean. As soon as you have FA buying or giving money to other FAs you have problems. I don't think that is actually a problem in itself. If football is to expand then a way has to be found to help the poorer countries improve their facilities - and the richer countries (and their fans at World Cups and their sales of TV rights) are the only source of funding so there has to be a formal redistribution of funds from rich to poor nations. The problem up to now has been that the poorer nations (rightly or wrongly) have felt that the redistribution only happens because Blatter and his cronies have made it happen. The first thing the NEW FIFA would need to do would be to write it into its constitution that there HAD TO BE A REDITRIBUTION OF WEALTH from rich to poor countries AND DEFINE what constitutes a rich and a poor country and the MECHANISM by which the redistribution would be effected. If that is done and done properly then who the head of FIFA happens to be becomes less important as far as the developing countries are concerned. All countries (rich or poor or in between) need to start voting for the head of FIFA by how efficiently and impartially he or she runs the organisation, how good his or her ideas are, not on how open to bribery he or she and his or her minions are. And the best way to do this is to ensure that who gets what is NOT at the WHIM of the person at the top. Agree with what Northwich says. Yes money should still be invested in developing football, but it should be done via a mechanism that prevents the money being used to curry favour with an individual or FA. As soon as a delegate is sitting there thinking if I vote for this country to host the WC I'll/we'll get X million dollars, and if I vote for this country Y million dollars, then the WC and football are screwed. |
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 8, 2015 11:27:34 GMT
I don't think that is actually a problem in itself. If football is to expand then a way has to be found to help the poorer countries improve their facilities - and the richer countries (and their fans at World Cups and their sales of TV rights) are the only source of funding so there has to be a formal redistribution of funds from rich to poor nations. The problem up to now has been that the poorer nations (rightly or wrongly) have felt that the redistribution only happens because Blatter and his cronies have made it happen. The first thing the NEW FIFA would need to do would be to write it into its constitution that there HAD TO BE A REDITRIBUTION OF WEALTH from rich to poor countries AND DEFINE what constitutes a rich and a poor country and the MECHANISM by which the redistribution would be effected. If that is done and done properly then who the head of FIFA happens to be becomes less important as far as the developing countries are concerned. All countries (rich or poor or in between) need to start voting for the head of FIFA by how efficiently and impartially he or she runs the organisation, how good his or her ideas are, not on how open to bribery he or she and his or her minions are. And the best way to do this is to ensure that who gets what is NOT at the WHIM of the person at the top. Agree with what Northwich says. Yes money should still be invested in developing football, but it should be done via a mechanism that prevents the money being used to curry favour with an individual or FA. As soon as a delegate is sitting there thinking if I vote for this country to host the WC I'll/we'll get X million dollars, and if I vote for this country Y million dollars, then the WC and football are screwed. One thing they can do is to commit to make public all financial transfers and that the beneficiaries of the money publish accounts showing how the money has been spent. That'd sort things out quickly. |
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Post by Northy on Jun 8, 2015 13:37:22 GMT
Agree with what Northwich says. Yes money should still be invested in developing football, but it should be done via a mechanism that prevents the money being used to curry favour with an individual or FA. As soon as a delegate is sitting there thinking if I vote for this country to host the WC I'll/we'll get X million dollars, and if I vote for this country Y million dollars, then the WC and football are screwed. One thing they can do is to commit to make public all financial transfers and that the beneficiaries of the money publish accounts showing how the money has been spent. That'd sort things out quickly. Open book and transparency, imagine uttering those words in a FIFA vice presidency meeting, they'd all keel over with heart attacks |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 8, 2015 13:41:18 GMT
Agree with what Northwich says. Yes money should still be invested in developing football, but it should be done via a mechanism that prevents the money being used to curry favour with an individual or FA. As soon as a delegate is sitting there thinking if I vote for this country to host the WC I'll/we'll get X million dollars, and if I vote for this country Y million dollars, then the WC and football are screwed. One thing they can do is to commit to make public all financial transfers and that the beneficiaries of the money publish accounts showing how the money has been spent. That'd sort things out quickly. that's easy deal with though. They wwil just hide the dirty money. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 16:05:22 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 10, 2015 13:43:27 GMT
In the wake of the corruption scandal that rocked nogger, FIFA will postpone on the bid process for 2026 World Cup. I suppose that makes sense
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jun 10, 2015 19:31:06 GMT
Fifa has handed over computer data to the Swiss authorities investigating the World Cup bids for 2018 and 2022. The information was seized at the Zurich headquarters of world football's governing body from offices which included that of its president Sepp Blatter, the BBC understands. Fifa said it had co-operated fully with the authorities. BBC
Net tightening? |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 14, 2015 7:24:18 GMT
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jun 14, 2015 16:01:12 GMT
There is some very disturbing stories, not unfounded, that Septic may try and withdraw his resignation following support from Asian and African federations. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33126284 |
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Post by basingstokie on Jun 14, 2015 17:39:02 GMT
There is some very disturbing stories, not unfounded, that Septic may try and withdraw his resignation following support from Asian and African federations. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33126284Nothing to stop him standing again is there. A put up or shut up ultimatum. Sadly I suspect the Africans etc would back him |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 14, 2015 18:21:11 GMT
There is some very disturbing stories, not unfounded, that Septic may try and withdraw his resignation following support from Asian and African federations. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33126284Will he be able to run F.I.F.A. a Prison cell? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 15, 2015 23:37:51 GMT
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Post by mailman44 on Jun 15, 2015 23:52:07 GMT
This Septic Bladder bloke is really testing my patience.
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Post by enuntio on Jun 16, 2015 3:00:12 GMT
Yes. And computer destroying. The Russians destroyed their computers a while back ;-) |
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