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Post by kustokie on Jun 2, 2015 21:55:35 GMT
One of the reasons that it will hard for FIFA to change is that it is a totally unregulated business. So it will have to reinvent itself and there are too many self interest that will want to maintain the status quo. "It's not the end. It's not even the beginning of the end. But it is the end of the beginning".
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 2, 2015 21:58:08 GMT
A European candidate and especially an English candidate would have to do some serious persuading to get people to vote for them. The days of Sir Stanley Rous are still remembered by World football.
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Post by march4 on Jun 2, 2015 21:59:54 GMT
A European candidate and especially an English candidate would have to do some serious persuading to get people to vote for them. The days of Sir Stanley Rous are still remembered by World football. The best we can get will be a Jordanian prince educated at Sandhurst. Do we know anyone who matches that description? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 22:00:41 GMT
Ali was a stooge. The real candidates will now step forward. No, he was a serious candidate Pugs, I think what you mean is he never stood a chance. The notion behind his candidacy was that somebody with as much money as him would be incorruptible. Clearly Africa, Asia and parts of Europe didn't fancy Blatter's gravy train becoming derailed. Russia and Qatar are both prime examples of massively flawed decisions on FIFA's behalf, after years of campaigning by international WC bid teams. When so many decisions fly directly in the face of common sense and logic, it becomes clear that other forces are at play. |
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 2, 2015 22:07:34 GMT
Ali was a stooge. The real candidates will now step forward. No, he was a serious candidate Pugs, I think what you mean is he never stood a chance. The notion behind his candidacy was that somebody with as much money as him would be incorruptible. Clearly Africa, Asia and parts of Europe didn't fancy Blatter's gravy train becoming derailed. Russia and Qatar are both prime examples of massively flawed decisions on FIFA's behalf, after years of campaigning by international WC bid teams. When so many decisions fly directly in the face of common sense and logic, it becomes clear that other forces are at play. He never stood a chance, he was put up to rattle a few cages. He did so. What qualifies him for the job? As for Blatter - he did a lot for African and Asian football, put in infrastructure, got them the big tournament. That's why they voted for him - they don't trust anyone else to do the same for them and with good reason seeing how they were treated in the past. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 22:09:09 GMT
The one person we really don't want is Platini. That would be a disaster in my view as his family ties with Qatar may prove too incestuous to be impartial.
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Jun 2, 2015 22:09:14 GMT
Wouldn't be too sure of that. A European candidate has serious bridges to build across Africa, Asia and South America. Which is why Prince Ali will be the next leader. That is why he withdrew from the second ballot - a deal had been struck. He could not afford to be seen as a divisive candidate. And his first move will be to restart the bidding process for the next 2 World Cups. It must be odds on that one of the next 3 World Cups will now be held in England and one will be held in the US. A few people have said it's too late to re-award the Russian world cup but I really don't see how it can be too late to re-award it to someone like England or the US who both already have sufficient stadia to host it. There's obviously a lot of planning on top of that but surely that can be done in three years? (Most of it will already have been planned for them to put the bids together) |
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Post by march4 on Jun 2, 2015 22:15:28 GMT
Which is why Prince Ali will be the next leader. That is why he withdrew from the second ballot - a deal had been struck. He could not afford to be seen as a divisive candidate. And his first move will be to restart the bidding process for the next 2 World Cups. It must be odds on that one of the next 3 World Cups will now be held in England and one will be held in the US. A few people have said it's too late to re-award the Russian world cup but I really don't see how it can be too late to re-award it to someone like England or the US who both already have sufficient stadia to host it. There's obviously a lot of planning on top of that but surely that can be done in three years? (Most of it will already have been planned for them to put the bids together) The front pages of tomorrow's papers would suggest the next 2 World Cups are up for grabs. Prince Ali has handled his campaign brilliantly and will be elected quickly. Will FIFA really leave Blatter in post for 6 months when it is becoming apparent he is under suspicion. How would it look if he was still leader and he was arrested and extradited to the US? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 22:18:13 GMT
Which is why Prince Ali will be the next leader. That is why he withdrew from the second ballot - a deal had been struck. He could not afford to be seen as a divisive candidate. And his first move will be to restart the bidding process for the next 2 World Cups. It must be odds on that one of the next 3 World Cups will now be held in England and one will be held in the US. A few people have said it's too late to re-award the Russian world cup but I really don't see how it can be too late to re-award it to someone like England or the US who both already have sufficient stadia to host it. There's obviously a lot of planning on top of that but surely that can be done in three years? (Most of it will already have been planned for them to put the bids together) I agree that stripping Russia of the 2018 WC could be seen as sharp practice, but we have to draw a line under this crap and make an example of corruption in sport, if indeed those bids and subsequent awards are found to be illegal. If they have broken the law then they can fully expect to lose their WC awards, it's really that simple...or rather it should be. With Platini at the top...i'm not so confident that the full force of justice will be delivered. There is no easy route forward where all parties will be satisfied and this is the clusterfuck that Blatter has left for us all, his legacy. Who is supporting the dead migrant workers who toiled in the 50C heat in the Gulf and the ones who were not allowed to fly home to bury their dead in Nepal? This is something I do not wish to be associated with personally, nor should our national football sides. What an absolute tool this pathetic little man was. He truly has blood on his hands - why the hell didn't he threaten Qatar with a retraction when these Human Rights issues emerged? He's one of the most insidiously corrupt men in our recent history. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 2, 2015 22:19:35 GMT
The one person we really don't want is Platini. That would be a disaster in my view as his family ties with Qatar may prove too incestuous to be impartial. Exactly. Platini said he approved Qatar WC as long as it was in Northern Hemisphere winter.....despite voting for it when it wasn't part of the bid. He needs to explain himself before he is even allowed to stand for the role. |
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Post by mailman44 on Jun 2, 2015 22:22:10 GMT
Platini out!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 22:24:53 GMT
Let's get rid of the lot of them and start again. Prince Ali is our man. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 2, 2015 22:25:46 GMT
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Post by algor on Jun 2, 2015 22:28:26 GMT
No, he was a serious candidate Pugs, I think what you mean is he never stood a chance. The notion behind his candidacy was that somebody with as much money as him would be incorruptible. Clearly Africa, Asia and parts of Europe didn't fancy Blatter's gravy train becoming derailed. Russia and Qatar are both prime examples of massively flawed decisions on FIFA's behalf, after years of campaigning by international WC bid teams. When so many decisions fly directly in the face of common sense and logic, it becomes clear that other forces are at play. He never stood a chance, he was put up to rattle a few cages. He did so. What qualifies him for the job? As for Blatter - he did a lot for African and Asian football, put in infrastructure, got them the big tournament. That's why they voted for him - they don't trust anyone else to do the same for them and with good reason seeing how they were treated in the past. To be fair mate the South African World Cup was the worst in memory for me, even when the stadiums were full that fucking vuvu zaler (or what ever the fuck they call it) noise they made just completely ruined it as a football festival, regardless of Englands poor performance it was a very forgetful poor World Cup finals. If this is what it means to share the World Cup around the globe then I really wouldn't want to share it or even be part of it! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 2, 2015 22:31:45 GMT
Let's get rid of the lot of them and start again. Prince Ali is our man. Isn't he technically one of them? And Vice President FIFA in Asia to boot!  |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 2, 2015 22:31:47 GMT
No, he was a serious candidate Pugs, I think what you mean is he never stood a chance. The notion behind his candidacy was that somebody with as much money as him would be incorruptible. Clearly Africa, Asia and parts of Europe didn't fancy Blatter's gravy train becoming derailed. Russia and Qatar are both prime examples of massively flawed decisions on FIFA's behalf, after years of campaigning by international WC bid teams. When so many decisions fly directly in the face of common sense and logic, it becomes clear that other forces are at play. He never stood a chance, he was put up to rattle a few cages. He did so. What qualifies him for the job? As for Blatter - he did a lot for African and Asian football, put in infrastructure, got them the big tournament. That's why they voted for him - they don't trust anyone else to do the same for them and with good reason seeing how they were treated in the past. Essentially football struggled to find someone to challenge Blatter because there wasn't a person that would promise to commit to promoting football in the poorer parts of the world,] and who wasn't corrupt. Football is a cesspit, and I suspect whoever the predecessor is will simply be better at PR than Blatter and slightly less corrupt (because it's hard to be more corrupt). Look at the governance in England - all the people urging Blatter to step down were happy to play the game (free handbags as a bribe, taking free watches, denouncing the Panorama report that shone the light on all the corruption etc) when they thought they could win the World Cup. So as well Sepp Blatter, Greg Dyke, David Cameron and Prince William can all go and fuck themselves - they're one and the same, only Blatter was 'better' at it than them. I'm hoping for the applicant from the shittiest footballing place in the world gets the job. If no-one from Burslem is standing, then somewhere like Bhutan. |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jun 2, 2015 22:31:50 GMT
He never stood a chance, he was put up to rattle a few cages. He did so. What qualifies him for the job? As for Blatter - he did a lot for African and Asian football, put in infrastructure, got them the big tournament. That's why they voted for him - they don't trust anyone else to do the same for them and with good reason seeing how they were treated in the past. To be fair mate the South African World Cup was the worst in memory for me, even when the stadiums were full that fucking vuvu zaler (or what ever the fuck they call it) noise they made just completely ruined it as a football festival, regardless of Englands poor performance it was a very forgetful poor World Cup finals. If this is what it means to share the World Cup around the globe then I really wouldn't want to share it or even be part of it! It was fucking shite, nearly put me off all non-Stoke footy forever. |
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Post by ohbottom on Jun 2, 2015 22:31:59 GMT
Wouldn't be too sure of that. A European candidate has serious bridges to build across Africa, Asia and South America. Which is why Prince Ali will be the next leader. That is why he withdrew from the second ballot - a deal had been struck. He could not afford to be seen as a divisive candidate. And his first move will be to restart the bidding process for the next 2 World Cups. It must be odds on that one of the next 3 World Cups will now be held in England and one will be held in the US. Don't buy this at all. The next president will be voted in by the same people who voted Blatter in. They didn't vote for Prince Ali then, why would they do so now? (Or in December, or next March, or possibly May, or whenever they actually get around to doing it....). If there IS a discussion and another vote about the World cups in 2018 & 2022 it will be the same people voting who voted for Russia & Qatar in the first place. Blatter will still be president at Christmas and beyond. Even if the FBI / Swiss find enough evidence to actually prosecute Blatter himself it will be years before it comes to trial, and do you think all those delegates from third world countries in Asia & Africa will care about a bit of fraud? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 22:35:30 GMT
Let's get rid of the lot of them and start again. Prince Ali is our man. Isn't he technically one of them? And Vice President FIFA in Asia to boot! No, he's on the right track and perhaps the only candidate who will give Platini a run for his money. A successful candidate needs influence in Asia and this fella doesn't need any extra dough. He's already minted. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 2, 2015 22:37:36 GMT
Isn't he technically one of them? And Vice President FIFA in Asia to boot! No, he's on the right track and perhaps the only candidate who will give Platini a run for his money. A successful candidate needs influence in Asia and this fella doesn't need any extra dough. He's already minted. I thought Asia and Africa was rife with corruption? We need to wipe the slate completely clean at the top level. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 2, 2015 22:38:29 GMT
He never stood a chance, he was put up to rattle a few cages. He did so. What qualifies him for the job? As for Blatter - he did a lot for African and Asian football, put in infrastructure, got them the big tournament. That's why they voted for him - they don't trust anyone else to do the same for them and with good reason seeing how they were treated in the past. To be fair mate the South African World Cup was the worst in memory for me, even when the stadiums were full that fucking vuvu zaler (or what ever the fuck they call it) noise they made just completely ruined it as a football festival, regardless of Englands poor performance it was a very forgetful poor World Cup finals. If this is what it means to share the World Cup around the globe then I really wouldn't want to share it or even be part of it! Is that what it comes down to? We don't enjoy football's global ness because of a silly noise? |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jun 2, 2015 22:39:02 GMT
Corruption corruption corruption. The world is corrupt. Blatter understood that and he had a good track record of using that to advantage some of the most deprived countries, that's why he was popular in most of Africa and Asia. Our FA have a track record of feeding and pampering the rich pigs at the top of English football to get ever fatter whilst the poor clubs wither and facilities at grass roots level are a disgrace. They are reprehensible and morally corrupt and the fact that they have led the way in attacking Blatter makes me think Blatter was doing a lot of things right for the good of the many rather than the few. I don't think your 2nd paragraph is in any way fair or accurate. In my view, the FA made a great mistake when it established the PL in 1992 because of its disputes with the then FL, and a belief that it would improve the England team ( in fact it has done the reverse). It established a monster which it now can't control. But there is no sense in which the FA feeds or pampers the top clubs at the expense of the grass roots. As a member of the FA Council I can assure you that there is a strong desire on the Council to see much more of the PL money spent on the grass roots. I think the FA should reclaim its historic role as the Governing body, which would include control over how income earned at the top of the game is spent, but that will be a difficult battle to win, and would be vulnerable to all sorts of legal challenges from the PL clubs. The FA may be weak, even incompetent, in some areas, and I would like to see many reforms in the way that it is run, but "reprehensible and morally corrupt" it most certainly isn't in my view and it also does a lot of very good work. And I strongly disagree with your last sentence, and the idea that Blatter and his cronies have been "doing a lot of things right for the good of the many rather than the few". It has been the "few" who have benefitted from a totally corrupt regime and culture in my view. You are right that Blatter certainly understood that the world is corrupt because in the world of football his regime at the very least tolerated and probably promoted such corruption. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 22:39:58 GMT
Which is why Prince Ali will be the next leader. That is why he withdrew from the second ballot - a deal had been struck. He could not afford to be seen as a divisive candidate. And his first move will be to restart the bidding process for the next 2 World Cups. It must be odds on that one of the next 3 World Cups will now be held in England and one will be held in the US. Don't buy this at all. The next president will be voted in by the same people who voted Blatter in. They didn't vote for Prince Ali then, why would they do so now? (Or in December, or next March, or possibly May, or whenever they actually get around to doing it....). If there IS a discussion and another vote about the World cups in 2018 & 2022 it will be the same people voting who voted for Russia & Qatar in the first place. Blatter will still be president at Christmas and beyond. Even if the FBI / Swiss find enough evidence to actually prosecute Blatter himself it will be years before it comes to trial, and do you think all those delegates from third world countries in Asia & Africa will care about a bit of fraud? Technically, Blatter is a dead man mate. Africa and Asia will vote for the best man, but this time they will have to choose from non-corrupt candidates. Only Platini can be regarded as less than squeaky clean due to his family ties with Qatar. Blatter's history. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Jun 2, 2015 22:52:05 GMT
I wouldn't trust anybody from the existing FIFA set up to run the game properly. Nor would I trust anybody from a single Football Association in the world, including our own.
In fact, I think the only people I'd trust to be in charge of FIFA are Peter Coates, Mark Hughes and me.
I'm available, in case anybody who might be involved in bringing in a new President is reading this.
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Post by march4 on Jun 2, 2015 23:08:49 GMT
Which is why Prince Ali will be the next leader. That is why he withdrew from the second ballot - a deal had been struck. He could not afford to be seen as a divisive candidate. And his first move will be to restart the bidding process for the next 2 World Cups. It must be odds on that one of the next 3 World Cups will now be held in England and one will be held in the US. Don't buy this at all. The next president will be voted in by the same people who voted Blatter in. They didn't vote for Prince Ali then, why would they do so now? (Or in December, or next March, or possibly May, or whenever they actually get around to doing it....). If there IS a discussion and another vote about the World cups in 2018 & 2022 it will be the same people voting who voted for Russia & Qatar in the first place. Blatter will still be president at Christmas and beyond. Even if the FBI / Swiss find enough evidence to actually prosecute Blatter himself it will be years before it comes to trial, and do you think all those delegates from third world countries in Asia & Africa will care about a bit of fraud? If it's true that the FBI are after Blatter, FIFA won't want their leader arrested, remanded and then extradited to USA. This election will happen quickly. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 23:10:52 GMT
I wouldn't trust anybody from the existing FIFA set up to run the game properly. Nor would I trust anybody from a single Football Association in the world, including our own. In fact, I think the only people I'd trust to be in charge of FIFA are Peter Coates, Mark Hughes and me. I'm available, in case anybody who might be involved in bringing in a new President is reading this. Sorry mate but i'm going with March4. He said he'd get me a nice wristwatch.  |
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Post by algor on Jun 2, 2015 23:14:07 GMT
To be fair mate the South African World Cup was the worst in memory for me, even when the stadiums were full that fucking vuvu zaler (or what ever the fuck they call it) noise they made just completely ruined it as a football festival, regardless of Englands poor performance it was a very forgetful poor World Cup finals. If this is what it means to share the World Cup around the globe then I really wouldn't want to share it or even be part of it! Is that what it comes down to? We don't enjoy football's global ness because of a silly noise? Maybe, if you say that football should be shared around the world regardless of the country's passion and or history of the game then yes that is what it comes down to, I really don't want to see stadiums full of soldiers to fill the seats or stupid musical instruments used to try and create an atmosphere, I certainly don't want to see a country like Qatar host the world cup, a country with less than 2 million people (the vast majority of which have no interest in football and those do would likely be immigrants and be unable to attend or afford a ticket anyway ) who are at least half a century behind us when it comes to women's or gay rights, a country that is happy to sacrifice the lives of 4,000 foreign workers to build their "White Elephant" stadiums in their single city! Both these World Cups were bought not earned, that is the crux of the matter! |
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Post by march4 on Jun 2, 2015 23:15:20 GMT
I wouldn't trust anybody from the existing FIFA set up to run the game properly. Nor would I trust anybody from a single Football Association in the world, including our own. In fact, I think the only people I'd trust to be in charge of FIFA are Peter Coates, Mark Hughes and me. I'm available, in case anybody who might be involved in bringing in a new President is reading this. Sorry mate but i'm going with March4. He said he'd get me a nice wristwatch. Just the one wristwatch? |
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Post by BristolMick on Jun 2, 2015 23:52:03 GMT
Corruption corruption corruption. The world is corrupt. Blatter understood that and he had a good track record of using that to advantage some of the most deprived countries, that's why he was popular in most of Africa and Asia. Our FA have a track record of feeding and pampering the rich pigs at the top of English football to get ever fatter whilst the poor clubs wither and facilities at grass roots level are a disgrace. They are reprehensible and morally corrupt and the fact that they have led the way in attacking Blatter makes me think Blatter was doing a lot of things right for the good of the many rather than the few. I don't think your 2nd paragraph is in any way fair or accurate. In my view, the FA made a great mistake when it established the PL in 1992 because of its disputes with the then FL, and a belief that it would improve the England team ( in fact it has done the reverse). It established a monster which it now can't control. But there is no sense in which the FA feeds or pampers the top clubs at the expense of the grass roots. As a member of the FA Council I can assure you that there is a strong desire on the Council to see much more of the PL money spent on the grass roots. I think the FA should reclaim its historic role as the Governing body, which would include control over how income earned at the top of the game is spent, but that will be a difficult battle to win, and would be vulnerable to all sorts of legal challenges from the PL clubs. The FA may be weak, even incompetent, in some areas, and I would like to see many reforms in the way that it is run, but "reprehensible and morally corrupt" it most certainly isn't in my view and it also does a lot of very good work. And I strongly disagree with your last sentence, and the idea that Blatter and his cronies have been "doing a lot of things right for the good of the many rather than the few". It has been the "few" who have benefitted from a totally corrupt regime and culture in my view. You are right that Blatter certainly understood that the world is corrupt because in the world of football his regime at the very least tolerated and probably promoted such corruption. Thank you for that considered response Malcolm. My problem with our FA goes back to 1992 because anyone could see that allowing the creation of a separate elite league would be to the detriment of the game as a whole. The FA allowed itself (or rather it's members did) to be intimidated by the big clubs threatening to pull away and either caved in to their demands (weak) or allowed their vote to be bought (corrupt).. There is no evidence of the second point of course and there never will be but if FIFA wanted to hit back at the FA I am sure they would feel very uncomfortable if they poked about too much re events that caused the FA to sanction the Premier League. What the FA should have done is stood firm and told any club that wanted to break away that they would be an unauthorised club, and that any players who played for an unauthorised club would never be allowed to play again for an authorised club or their country. That might have led to a Kerry Packers Circus type situation and very few players would be prepared to have taken a risk of joining that circus from which there was no escape once they were in. BM |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 0:26:21 GMT
An Ex English Player would be ideal, someone who has played at the highest level.
Few names to suggest.
Bryan Robson.
Michael Owen.
Kevin Keegan.
David Seaman.
I have deliberately not mentioned Becks, as he would be a bit of a glamour boy and not really into the roll.
Even sportsman from outside football.
Lord Coe,
The rower bloke who's name I forget ( Senior moment)
Phil Taylor ( Joke ).
Surely a sportsman with a degree of integrity would be better than a self fulfilling politician type.
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