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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 11, 2013 14:46:36 GMT
I have been away for a large chunk of pre-season and haven't seen a single minute of playing time thus far and I wondered, assuming that we sign no-one ahead of next weeks opening fixture, if we are any the wiser as to what our likely starting 11 is going to be on Saturday?
From what I have seen, few players have actually played 90 minutes and to date, there have been some surprising omissions with the likes of Wilson, who I assumed would switch to right back, barely featuring.
Crouch has seemingly started every game which also surprises me as I wouldn't really have him down as a Mark Hughes "type" forward.
Is the fact that KJ has only just returned from what seems like a full summer of football the thing that has seen Crouch appear to be the no.1 striker choice at the moment or does Hughes feel that KJ doesn't really need the pre-season games given that he hasn't long since stopped playing over the summer anyway?
Has Wilson come into the pre-season carrying the injury that hampered him at the back end of last season or are his international commitments something Hughes has taken into consideration as well? He was still playing in June so maybe he is being eased back in?
I read some positive comments about Pennant yet saw that he didn't start yesterday in our final pre-season game? Is he a likely starter or will he be given his head during home matches only until Hughes is happy with what our team can or can't do?
Anyone got any realistic idea as to what next week's starting line up could look like?
At this stage, I am assuming that the only nailed on starters are Begovic, Huth, Shawcross, Pieters and N'zonzi.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 14:49:45 GMT
Bego Cameron Ryan Huth Pieters Nzonzi Palacios Adam Walters Crouch Ethers
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 11, 2013 14:52:47 GMT
Cameron looks nailed on at right back.
I thought Palacios would start but he was garbage yesterday and will be in Honduras mid-week so I think Adam will play now with Whelan in the middle. Wilson for Whelan is an outside bet.
Barring any signings Crouch has to start, he was excellent yesterday I thought. The wingers are much of a muchness, they were all shit yesterday. But I think it'll be Walters and another.
My guess would be this;
Bego
Cameron Shawcross Huth Pieters
Whelan N'Zonzi Adam
Walters Crouch Ethers
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Post by fortressbritannia on Aug 11, 2013 14:52:49 GMT
Begovic
Cameron Huth Shawcross Pieters
N'Zonzi Adam Whelan
Walters Jones Etherington
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Post by werrington on Aug 11, 2013 14:54:30 GMT
Bego Cameron Ryan Huth Pieters Nzonzi Palacios Adam Walters Crouch Ethers If we don't buy anybody else this will be the team Although I think it's Palacios or Whelan
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 14:55:29 GMT
Cameron looks nailed on at right back. I thought Palacios would start but he was garbage yesterday and will be in Honduras mid-week so I think Adam will play now with Whelan in the middle. Wilson for Whelan is an outside bet. Barring any signings Crouch has to start, he was excellent yesterday I thought. The wingers are much of a muchness, they were all shit yesterday. But I think it'll be Walters and another. My guess would be this; Bego Cameron Shawcross Huth Pieters Whelan N'Zonzi Adam Walters Crouch Ethers I think your team will start the season. Palacios played his way out yesterday.
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 11, 2013 15:01:13 GMT
I thought individual performances were more encouraging than the overall team performance . Matty looked fit and sharp as did pennant . Peters looked solid as did Cameron , the forwards were a concern as none of them impressed. Adam seemed to me to play very deep
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 11, 2013 15:03:57 GMT
Cameron looks nailed on at right back. I thought Palacios would start but he was garbage yesterday and will be in Honduras mid-week so I think Adam will play now with Whelan in the middle. Wilson for Whelan is an outside bet. Barring any signings Crouch has to start, he was excellent yesterday I thought. The wingers are much of a muchness, they were all shit yesterday. But I think it'll be Walters and another. My guess would be this; Bego Cameron Shawcross Huth Pieters Whelan N'Zonzi Adam Walters Crouch Ethers I think your team will start the season. Palacios played his way out yesterday. And he's playing in Honduras mid-week which won't help his chances at all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 15:05:42 GMT
goalie picks himself
back four picks itself (Cameron - Shawcross - Huth - Pieters
midfield should be = Pennant, Nzonzi, Palacios, & Adam (not sure left to right, which is best order)
front two = Crouch - plus a new signing
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 15:09:45 GMT
goalie picks himself back four picks itself (Cameron - Shawcross - Huth - Pieters midfield should be = Pennant, Nzonzi, Palacios, & Adam (not sure left to right, which is best order) front two = Crouch - plus a new signing errr it won't be 4-4-2 will it
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 15:10:13 GMT
I didn't think right back was a priority but it is if we're staring down the barrel of Geoff fucking Cameron being first choice there.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 11, 2013 15:11:58 GMT
Hughes seems to love him there.
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Post by lordb on Aug 11, 2013 15:14:53 GMT
I didn't think right back was a priority but it is if we're staring down the barrel of Geoff fucking Cameron being first choice there. when we had that run of clean sheets & very few goals before xmas guess who was right back? I thought he dod allright there poor at left back
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Post by stokemark on Aug 11, 2013 15:18:14 GMT
And so Walters continues despite looking like a fish out of water yesterday
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 11, 2013 15:20:34 GMT
And so Walters continues despite looking like a fish out of water yesterday Yup, he looked pretty shit in the two American games I saw too but I think he'll play.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 15:20:46 GMT
I didn't think right back was a priority but it is if we're staring down the barrel of Geoff fucking Cameron being first choice there. Bit harsh.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 15:21:54 GMT
I didn't think right back was a priority but it is if we're staring down the barrel of Geoff fucking Cameron being first choice there. when we had that run of clean sheets & very few goals before xmas guess who was right back? I thought he dod allright there poor at left back Several players as I recall. Shotton had 2-3 strong games there. I don't see what people see in Geoff. Seems a nice chap, but he's garbage on the ball, decision-making is poor and positionally he seems perpetually confused. He isn't good enough.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 15:22:32 GMT
Geoff is hit and miss at full back because he isn't one. Given we've struggled to make many signings this summer, asking for a full back when we have virtually four players which can 'cover' the spot is asking the impossible.
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Post by lordb on Aug 11, 2013 15:24:59 GMT
when we had that run of clean sheets & very few goals before xmas guess who was right back? I thought he dod allright there poor at left back Several players as I recall. Shotton had 2-3 strong games there. I don't see what people see in Geoff. Seems a nice chap, but he's garbage on the ball, decision-making is poor and positionally he seems perpetually confused. He isn't good enough. dont agree with any of that tbh. - aprat from the confued bit going by the bra he was wearing in the states - thought he looked tidy in possesion,can pass ok,tackle ok bit of an all rounder hence he played in several positions cant see him playing CB though & of course he has plenty of US caps in that role
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 15:27:34 GMT
I lost count of the number of times last season he just passed the ball into touch under no pressure. He seems to panic there - maybe because it's an unfamiliar position. His crossing is woeful too.
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 11, 2013 15:33:55 GMT
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 11, 2013 15:36:09 GMT
Cameron should be our fourth choice full back. He's Collinsesque, although he hasn't yet given away enough goals to be considered quite as bad as the Brazilian wonder. The amount of times he got caught out of position yesterday was frightening.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 11, 2013 15:37:57 GMT
Cameron should be our fourth choice full back. He's Collinsesque, although he hasn't yet given away enough goals to be considered quite as bad as the Brazilian wonder. The amount of times he got caught out of position yesterday was frightening. That's my worry about him, MD. Positionally and in terms of losing the ball he scares the shit out of me.
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 11, 2013 15:47:15 GMT
Cameron should be our fourth choice full back. He's Collinsesque, although he hasn't yet given away enough goals to be considered quite as bad as the Brazilian wonder. The amount of times he got caught out of position yesterday was frightening. That's my worry about him, MD. Positionally and in terms of losing the ball he scares the shit out of me. His only redeeming feature is that he looks marginally more comfortable on the ball and mobile than the other options, which must count for something in this system, but defensively he's a liability.
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 11, 2013 15:52:10 GMT
I lost count of the number of times last season he just passed the ball into touch under no pressure. He seems to panic there - maybe because it's an unfamiliar position. His crossing is woeful too. His crossing was. Joke early season , it improved towards the end of season
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 11, 2013 15:52:43 GMT
That's my worry about him, MD. Positionally and in terms of losing the ball he scares the shit out of me. His only redeeming feature is that he looks marginally more comfortable on the ball and mobile than the other options, which must count for something in this system, but defensively he's a liability. Technically he's quite proficient. It's his footballing intelligence that leaves him exposed and prone to unnecessary risk taking.
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Post by LDE76 on Aug 11, 2013 16:12:21 GMT
Are we any the wiser?
If anything, having just read the last couple of days' posts, one or two on here are actually getting thicker.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 11, 2013 19:17:55 GMT
Cameron as our first choice right back would be a major concern to me.
He comes from the Danny Collins school of defending and could lose his man in a phone box. If that is right, hopefully he has managed to have a bit of a rest this summer with his overall shiteness from last season being due to the fatigue of an exceptionally long season given that he had more or less completed the American season before joining us.
Wilko would be my first choice at right back, though I suspect Hughes won't fancy him at all, with Wilson next in the pecking order for me. Cameron would be 4th on my list, even behind Shotton.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 11, 2013 21:06:47 GMT
Wilson, who can't play midfield, should be right back.
Cameron, while good at tackling, is a woeful footballer. I've said before it's major concern that we are signing players from a league no better than the SPL/Div1.
We are 2 maybe 3 QUALITY footballers from a good side.
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Post by swampySCFC on Aug 11, 2013 21:09:36 GMT
I think we have been deafened by a distinct lack of activity.
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