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Post by pippin44 on Aug 4, 2013 16:38:17 GMT
How did stoke sign crouch from spurs...think about it. We paid him a large initial signing fee to counter the lower weekly wage. Crouch was 29 and in and out of the england squad, do you really think he took a pay cut to come to stoke? Ok forget sinclair if hes on that much but if Remy and Bent want 150k a week between them, pay it up front. Remy and Bent would score more than the four we have put together!
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Post by Okie Stokie. on Aug 4, 2013 16:39:55 GMT
Surely the strikers we have can score against Palarse. It's by no way ideal but the 2nd sept that's when we need the people in place. They failed in 159 minutes of football last season against them, so I aren't overly optimistic. So yeah I think we need them asap. If we don't it isn't a major issue but the sooner the better, as is always the case. Did we. My memory is not what it used to be. Well in that case PANIC!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2013 16:40:21 GMT
How did stoke sign crouch from spurs...think about it. We paid him a large initial signing fee to counter the lower weekly wage. Crouch was 29 and in and out of the england squad, do you really think he took a pay cut to come to stoke? Ok forget sinclair if hes on that much but if Remy and Bent want 150k a week between them, pay it up front. Remy and Bent would score more than the four we have put together! Do you actually engage brain before speaking?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 4, 2013 16:41:49 GMT
They failed in 159 minutes of football last season against them, so I aren't overly optimistic. So yeah I think we need them asap. If we don't it isn't a major issue but the sooner the better, as is always the case. Did we. My memory is not what it used to be. Well in that case PANIC!Yup, two games in the cup, KJ scored in the 69th minute of the replay against their reserve side! No need to panic though and I can't see anyone that is. But the striker and winger situation is a concern as it has been for the past however many years.
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Post by trigger on Aug 4, 2013 16:43:24 GMT
How did stoke sign crouch from spurs...think about it. We paid him a large initial signing fee to counter the lower weekly wage. Crouch was 29 and in and out of the england squad, do you really think he took a pay cut to come to stoke? Ok forget sinclair if hes on that much but if Remy and Bent want 150k a week between them, pay it up front. Remy and Bent would score more than the four we have put together! To the best of my knowledge Spurs lowered their valuation of Crouch in order for Stoke to make a payment directly to him, something along them lines anyway.
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Post by hutcheater on Aug 4, 2013 16:46:16 GMT
Just back from the match. First half was pedestrian and, a lot of the time, it seemed like 5-a-side: plenty of possession and quick passing but no penetrating runs. Beginning of the second half was better and Walters and Jones looked a better option. Positives? Palacios looked sharp and up for it. Pieters and Muniesa had good spells.
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Post by pippin44 on Aug 4, 2013 16:46:45 GMT
Before everyone attacks me...Im just trying to point out that after the massive influx of extra monies to football clubs, we need to be doing what clubs our size are doing...Im not asking for more but we at least deserve the same. The club need to change our forward line.
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Post by Okie Stokie. on Aug 4, 2013 16:47:31 GMT
Did we. My memory is not what it used to be. Well in that case PANIC!Yup, two games in the cup, KJ scored in the 69th minute of the replay against their reserve side! No need to panic though and I can't see anyone that is. But the striker and winger situation is a concern as it has been for the past however many years. Oh yes I remember now. I bloody wish I hadn't . We need someone to create the chances for the strikers be it a winger or an attacking midfielder.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 4, 2013 16:50:02 GMT
Yup, two games in the cup, KJ scored in the 69th minute of the replay against their reserve side! No need to panic though and I can't see anyone that is. But the striker and winger situation is a concern as it has been for the past however many years. Oh yes I remember now. I bloody wish I hadn't . We need someone to create the chances for the strikers be it a winger or an attacking midfielder. I think we need both tbh. We need creative players and new strikers. We haven't got a striker who You'd fancy scoring over missing irrespective of chances created. That has to change.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 4, 2013 16:57:09 GMT
Hoilett would be good because he can play on either winger or as the second striker.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2013 16:58:53 GMT
They failed in 159 minutes of football last season against them, so I aren't overly optimistic. So yeah I think we need them asap. If we don't it isn't a major issue but the sooner the better, as is always the case. Did we. My memory is not what it used to be. Well in that case PANIC!You're getting the hang of it
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Aug 4, 2013 16:59:21 GMT
Hoilett would be good because he can play on either winger or as the second striker. Hoilett & Remy for Crouch & cash.....doubt it, but would be an ideal start
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Post by fortressbritannia on Aug 4, 2013 16:59:34 GMT
Definitely not time to panic, we stayed up last year without a left back, now we have two so surely that should help? We desperately need a player or two to worry the opposition though. Wrong. Panic. We need a complete overhaul. No one is good enough, and it's all Pulis' fault. And we have not a penny to sped. Doomed. The time to panic is now. Or utilise what we've got in the right way. Ie players who complement each other, playing in their correct positions.
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Post by Okie Stokie. on Aug 4, 2013 16:59:36 GMT
Oh yes I remember now. I bloody wish I hadn't . We need someone to create the chances for the strikers be it a winger or an attacking midfielder. I think we need both tbh. We need creative players and new strikers. We haven't got a striker who You'd fancy scoring over missing irrespective of chances created. That has to change. Well I would imagine you would after sell Crouch and Jones, I don't think you would get more than 6 mill for the two not a lot to put on a new striker. A lot of wheeling and dealing to be done.
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Post by robrigo on Aug 4, 2013 17:00:07 GMT
I like Hoilett and could see him coming to Stoke. I can't see us signing Sinclair even tho i think we will try for him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 4, 2013 17:03:26 GMT
I think we need both tbh. We need creative players and new strikers. We haven't got a striker who You'd fancy scoring over missing irrespective of chances created. That has to change. Well I would imagine you would after sell Crouch and Jones, I don't think you would get more than 6 mill for the two not a lot to put on a new striker. A lot of wheeling and dealing to be done. I agree and I'd stick the lot on Diouf. I can see why for now we'd keep one and bring Diouf in though, it's a sensible way of doing it. Our strikers finishing abilities are an issue though.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Aug 4, 2013 17:03:51 GMT
Don't think they were expecting that many of us today, they ran out of hot food well before half time. Didn't bother me, I got the last hot dog!
And fuck me do we need a striker.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2013 17:10:50 GMT
Wrong. Panic. We need a complete overhaul. No one is good enough, and it's all Pulis' fault. And we have not a penny to spend. Doomed. The time to panic is now. Or utilise what we've got in the right way. Ie players who complement each other, playing in their correct positions. That simply will not work. Overhaul needed before the first game.
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Post by stockportstokie on Aug 4, 2013 17:11:44 GMT
Are you crazy? He's probably one of if not the fittest player in the squad. He was Tone's dog and he got him off his local butcher. I wouldn't say he had the right characteristics to be called athletic, he doesn't have any pace, he isn't agile, doesn't have the right build and he has limited movement. But he does have a very good engine/work rate and a normal - stocky build, he's more of a shot putter as appose to a 100 meter sprinter Walters is the definition of athletic. He does have pace, he doesn't have Walcott type speed but he's easily faster than the average. Pace, strength, & stamina makes for a pretty athletic athlete in my book. He hasn't got a shot putter build at all, ze fuck are you on about? If anything he's got a sprinter build, probably 400m.
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Post by Okie Stokie. on Aug 4, 2013 17:13:32 GMT
Well I would imagine you would after sell Crouch and Jones, I don't think you would get more than 6 mill for the two not a lot to put on a new striker. A lot of wheeling and dealing to be done. I agree and I'd stick the lot on Diouf. I can see why for now we'd keep one and bring Diouf in though, it's a sensible way of doing it. Our strikers finishing abilities are an issue though. That would be the sensible way lets say we get 3 mill for one. By the sounds of it that would not be enough, that means Coates will need to put his hands in his pocket for at least 15-20 mill to fund the others.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 4, 2013 17:14:27 GMT
He's built more like a prop imo. Shawcross, Huth and Cameron are definite second rowers. I agree and I'd stick the lot on Diouf. I can see why for now we'd keep one and bring Diouf in though, it's a sensible way of doing it. Our strikers finishing abilities are an issue though. That would be the sensible way lets say we get 3 mill for one. By the sounds of it that would not be enough, that means Coates will need to put his hands in his pocket for at least 15-20 mill to fund the others. He would and I think he will eventually because he simply has to after what TP has left.
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Post by boscfc on Aug 4, 2013 17:15:01 GMT
I wouldn't say he had the right characteristics to be called athletic, he doesn't have any pace, he isn't agile, doesn't have the right build and he has limited movement. But he does have a very good engine/work rate and a normal - stocky build, he's more of a shot putter as appose to a 100 meter sprinter Walters is the definition of athletic. He does have pace, he doesn't have Walcott type speed but he's easily faster than the average. Pace, strength, & stamina makes for a pretty athletic athlete in my book. He hasn't got a shot putter build at all, ze fuck are you on about? If anything he's got a sprinter build, probably 400m. Walters is "faster than the average"??? Faster than the average what?
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Post by stockportstokie on Aug 4, 2013 17:16:03 GMT
Walters is the definition of athletic. He does have pace, he doesn't have Walcott type speed but he's easily faster than the average. Pace, strength, & stamina makes for a pretty athletic athlete in my book. He hasn't got a shot putter build at all, ze fuck are you on about? If anything he's got a sprinter build, probably 400m. Walters is "faster than the average"??? Faster than the average what? Ermm, footballer perhaps
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Aug 4, 2013 17:16:18 GMT
Walters is the definition of athletic. He does have pace, he doesn't have Walcott type speed but he's easily faster than the average. Pace, strength, & stamina makes for a pretty athletic athlete in my book. He hasn't got a shot putter build at all, ze fuck are you on about? If anything he's got a sprinter build, probably 400m. Walters is "faster than the average"??? Faster than the average what? Faster than the average bear Boo boo
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Post by Jimm on Aug 4, 2013 17:16:34 GMT
I wouldn't say he had the right characteristics to be called athletic, he doesn't have any pace, he isn't agile, doesn't have the right build and he has limited movement. But he does have a very good engine/work rate and a normal - stocky build, he's more of a shot putter as appose to a 100 meter sprinter Walters is the definition of athletic. He does have pace, he doesn't have Walcott type speed but he's easily faster than the average. Pace, strength, & stamina makes for a pretty athletic athlete in my book. He hasn't got a shot putter build at all, ze fuck are you on about? If anything he's got a sprinter build, probably 400m. Behave, Jerome,Nzonzi,Pennant,Kightly,Etherington and Shitton are all more Athletic than Duracell Jon
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Post by stonestokie76 on Aug 4, 2013 17:19:00 GMT
I agree and I'd stick the lot on Diouf. I can see why for now we'd keep one and bring Diouf in though, it's a sensible way of doing it. Our strikers finishing abilities are an issue though. That would be the sensible way lets say we get 3 mill for one. By the sounds of it that would not be enough, that means Coates will need to put his hands in his pocket for at least 15-20 mill to fund the others. I think you are right as I don't see how complete failures at QPR are suddenly the answer to all our problems!!, they got regelated! Also and this is my biggest worry, do we really think we will spend 15Mil In total?, the evidence suggests at the mo no way will it happen, listening to Hughes just was quite depressing!, it's going to be a long old slog without reviewing the squad and injecting creativity and pace!. Fingers crossed I'm wrong!
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Post by boscfc on Aug 4, 2013 17:19:13 GMT
Walters is "faster than the average"??? Faster than the average what? Ermm, footballer perhaps Ermm That's not true though is it.
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Post by Okie Stokie. on Aug 4, 2013 17:20:32 GMT
He's built more like a prop imo. Shawcross, Huth and Cameron are definite second rowers. That would be the sensible way lets say we get 3 mill for one. By the sounds of it that would not be enough, that means Coates will need to put his hands in his pocket for at least 15-20 mill to fund the others. He would and I think he will eventually because he simply has to after what TP has left. It scary how much money that potentially will be lost because we cannot get rid of the players we have, and seem content to sit and take the money.
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Post by redwhite on Aug 4, 2013 17:21:08 GMT
The point I was making was that scoring a simple goal in a friendly against a conference side should not be a reason for people to be excited about a player who performed consistently badly last season. It was not a dig at Walters for only being able to score simple finishes or anything like that. Sorry for the confusion. No I know, but this is all Hughes has to go off, so I wouldn't be surprised if he got the nod over the others, hes done more than any of the other striker options we have in the friendlies, personally I would much prefer to see KJ getting the start against Liverpool. I'm hoping that Hughes realises that our attack has not been good enough so far and brings in at least one fresh face before Liverpool, or at least before Palace. I'm sure, as a former forward for top clubs, he's not going to miss the fact that it's the poor part of our game, it's just whether he thinks one of Crouch/KJ/Jerome/Walters is good enough and it's service that's the problem, or whether he decides that we need a new goal scorer. Personally I'm hoping for a goal creator and a goal scorer but I think our priority should be a winger who can feed the ball into Crouch/KJ who will definitely thrive off more service. Then again, if we're playing 4-3-3 there's a chance that Hughes will want the "wingers" to score goals themselves so maybe service isn't such a problem. Who knows, just hope he we see at least one fresh face before the season really kicks off. I certainly don't think Walters is a man we want to rely on to get us goals.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 4, 2013 17:23:30 GMT
He's built more like a prop imo. Shawcross, Huth and Cameron are definite second rowers. He would and I think he will eventually because he simply has to after what TP has left. It scary how much money that potentially will be lost because we cannot get rid of the players we have, and seem content to sit and take the money. It's one of the reasons that made sacking TP such an inevitable decision, hopefully we can shift some players even if it means taking a hit because if we don't we could just end up suffocating ourselves.
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