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Post by GeneralFaye on May 28, 2013 13:16:20 GMT
Return of the Messiah.. are you on a wind up? I don't get your jizzing obsession with him at all. What can I say. Hes a fucking magician. A poor man's Houdini, I agree.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 13:17:08 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 28, 2013 13:17:14 GMT
Its hilarious this football game they are saying on SSN that the feedback from Everton fans is very negative. Sounds like they don't want him Send him here then Absolutely. We'll take anyone who isnt a cunt and gets his team playing half decent football.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 28, 2013 13:17:28 GMT
Why depressing Rossi? Acknowledgement that Everton are a bigger club than Stoke regardless of current resources and facilities or simply the fact that I might well prefer Hughes over Martinez?
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 28, 2013 13:17:40 GMT
Everton must be favourite. But if I was him, I'd come here. There's nowhere for Everton to go without big money. Success for them is only top 6. And on a mid-table budget, getting them there consistently with a big style change is not going to be easy! Come here, Bobby. We'll take mid-table with a bit of entertainment! Something big Bob is yet to deliver, of course... "Yet", Rob. I think Martinez will be a huge success at Everton. It looks like Hughesy now, though. If so, fair enough. Not my choice, but I can live with it. I am more worried about N'Zonzi being linked with Arsenal!
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Post by jonnybravo on May 28, 2013 13:18:56 GMT
I don't get all the hype over Martinez he's got a win percentage of 29%
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Post by digger on May 28, 2013 13:19:35 GMT
do you think if everton sell screech and bains and get martenez, is it worth sticking a bit of money on relegation. NO! regardless of their financial problems they're still far too good and big to go down and always manage to pull players like Arteta from somewhere. Bains and Fellaini would give them around £30-40 million to invest in players as well. not a hope in hell of them going down its a gamble but the odds will be good (thumbsup old team no strikers no money = worth the risk
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 28, 2013 13:20:24 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on May 28, 2013 13:21:33 GMT
Couldn't you argue that Hughes is a throw of the dice? A bloke who seems on the scrap heap but has shown flashes of brilliance in the past? Sounds like a bit of a gamble to me. Also reminds me of a gamble we took on a player of that mould and look how that panned out........ Brilliance is a bit far mate come on. 1. When he had taken over Wales were going through a bad patch, but in the five years with Hughes in charge Wales came close to qualifying for Euro 2004. In their qualifying group Wales beat Italy—only to be denied a place in the final tournament after losing to Russia in the playoffs. 2. In his second season, Blackburn surprised even the most optimistic supporters by finishing inside the top six of the Premier League and qualifying for the UEFA Cup, beating teams such as Chelsea, Manchester United (twice) and Arsenal along the way. After just missing out on the League Cup final, his team sealed their spot in Europe by defeating champions Chelsea 1–0 at home. 3. Hughes then set about creating a formidable side at Ewood Park. He entered the transfer market, bringing in players such as Benni McCarthy (£2 million), David Bentley (£500,000), Ryan Nelsen (free), Stephen Warnock (£1.5 million), Roque Santa Cruz (£3.5 million), and Christopher Samba (£400,000). Depends on your definition of brilliance. I'm guessing yours may involve winning a major trophy and finally succeeding in relegating a club from the top flight having given it a pretty good go in preceding seasons???
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 28, 2013 13:21:55 GMT
Why depressing Rossi? Acknowledgement that Everton are a bigger club than Stoke regardless of current resources and facilities or simply the fact that I might well prefer Hughes over Martinez? Nope. Sorry Dave. Too depressing. Seriously though Dave it would be great to see the unity and transformation in image/style that say a Martinez appointment would bring.
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Post by geoff321 on May 28, 2013 13:22:19 GMT
jonny,
I think it's because he's foreign, a nice guy, talks a good game and of course won the F.A. Cup. The complete opposite to Mark Hughes, but Hughes for me is the tougher guy with a better record.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 13:22:46 GMT
I can imagine TP being interested in the Wigan job! Small club, underdogs, cant compete financially...it'd be a decent place to him to go and I really don't mean that disrespectfully either "Well, the Whelan family have been triffic...you have to understand that we're just lucky to even be playing teams like Yeovil and Doncaster. they're great teams and we just didn't get our luck today as the apples didn't drop. the fans are amazing and always get behind the lads and fortunately i know the names of all 27 of the fans that turned up today too!"
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 28, 2013 13:24:47 GMT
jonny, I think it's because he's foreign, a nice guy, talks a good game and of course won the F.A. Cup. The complete opposite to Mark Hughes, but Hughes for me is the tougher guy with a better record. Considering Hughes has been in the managerial game a decade longer and is still (as far as I know) yet to win a trophy or win promotion like Martinez, I'm not sure that's a justified thing to say.
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Post by fca47 on May 28, 2013 13:24:48 GMT
Hughes has done sod all in recent years, all that good stuff is history. He is now shit. Official.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 13:26:55 GMT
Something big Bob is yet to deliver, of course... "Yet", Rob. I think Martinez will be a huge success at Everton. It looks like Hughesy now, though. If so, fair enough. Not my choice, but I can live with it. I am more worried about N'Zonzi being linked with Arsenal! Based on what though Tricky? I'd fuck Nzonzi off as well.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 28, 2013 13:28:24 GMT
"Yet", Rob. I think Martinez will be a huge success at Everton. It looks like Hughesy now, though. If so, fair enough. Not my choice, but I can live with it. I am more worried about N'Zonzi being linked with Arsenal! Based on what though Tricky? I'd fuck Nzonzi off as well. I agree with your last line Rob. Massively limited player who is vastly overrated with a shocking attitude to go with it.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 13:29:42 GMT
"Yet", Rob. I think Martinez will be a huge success at Everton. It looks like Hughesy now, though. If so, fair enough. Not my choice, but I can live with it. I am more worried about N'Zonzi being linked with Arsenal! Based on what though Tricky? I'd fuck Nzonzi off as well. no more Mr. Nice Rob!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 13:30:29 GMT
Based on what though Tricky? I'd fuck Nzonzi off as well. I agree with your last line Rob. Massively limited player who is vastly overrated with a shocking attitude to go with it. Good player, bad attitude.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 13:32:17 GMT
No place for common sense on here FM.
Budgets are irrelevant.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 28, 2013 13:34:44 GMT
I agree with your last line Rob. Massively limited player who is vastly overrated with a shocking attitude to go with it. Good player, bad attitude. Good player based on what. On the whole hes been distinctly average for both Blackburn and Stoke with both fans criticising the same elements of his game...ie lack of positivity and competence in an attacking sense while looking suspect defensively. Hes now 24, 25 next season and doesn't look like improving anytime soon.
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 28, 2013 13:36:46 GMT
"Yet", Rob. I think Martinez will be a huge success at Everton. It looks like Hughesy now, though. If so, fair enough. Not my choice, but I can live with it. I am more worried about N'Zonzi being linked with Arsenal! Based on what though Tricky? I'd fuck Nzonzi off as well. I just see something in him, Rob. A gut feeling tells me he will be special at the right club. As for N'Zonzi, I think he is a good midfielder who would suit Arsenal down to the ground, but if he isn't happy here, what can you do?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 13:40:04 GMT
Good player, bad attitude. Good player based on what. On the whole hes been distinctly average for both Blackburn and Stoke with both fans criticising the same elements of his game...ie lack of positivity and competence in an attacking sense while looking suspect defensively. Hes now 24, 25 next season and doesn't look like improving anytime soon. How has he looked suspect defensively? When allowed to he's shown he can be positive but he's a defensive midfielder and so 'positivity' isn't his job. He wasted little, won the ball and did the simple stuff very well, looking composed on the ball.
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Post by sportsman on May 28, 2013 13:42:24 GMT
I read on the Everton message board the other day abit nzonsi. They had 24 pages on deadline day last year saying he was going Everton. Then stoke come in and all of a sudden he was wank. Funny as fuck
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Post by Kjones9 on May 28, 2013 13:45:38 GMT
Cue 5 pages of bianco trying to convince everyone n'zonzi is a shit player, great.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 28, 2013 13:46:32 GMT
Good player based on what. On the whole hes been distinctly average for both Blackburn and Stoke with both fans criticising the same elements of his game...ie lack of positivity and competence in an attacking sense while looking suspect defensively. Hes now 24, 25 next season and doesn't look like improving anytime soon. How has he looked suspect defensively? When allowed to he's shown he can be positive but he's a defensive midfielder and so 'positivity' isn't his job. He wasted little, won the ball and did the simple stuff very well, looking composed on the ball. When allowed to? Hes been countless positions this season where he could have taken on the shot, taken on the forward pass, taken on a player. Its to easy to blame his problems on Pulis. Hes cost us quite a few goals this season notably the Everton (think it was Everton away live on Sky?) where he has either got his positioning horribly wrong or has simply given the ball away in dangerous areas. He looks composed on the ball? What kind of a myth is that Rob. By composed presumably you mean passing the ball sidewards or backwards 2 yards? I'd rather see a player like Adam who may give the ball away in dangerous areas and may dour at tackling, but makes up for this by bringing much needed positivity to our game and producing match winning moments. Nzonzi neither convinces me defensively or in an attacking regard. I don't know what your view is of a good defensive midfielder but imo Nzonzi doesn't tick too many of the boxes. Add to that hes a walking red card.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 28, 2013 13:47:49 GMT
Cue 5 pages of bianco trying to convince everyone n'zonzi is a shit player, great. Hes not a shit player...but hes not a good player either. Is he the type of player we need at Stoke? Not really.
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Post by Kjones9 on May 28, 2013 13:51:16 GMT
I'm not biting, yeah, whatever.
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 28, 2013 13:55:51 GMT
He should have shown loyalty to wigan and got them out of the mess he has put them in.
I'm sorry but the bloke is an overrated conman.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 13:57:25 GMT
How has he looked suspect defensively? When allowed to he's shown he can be positive but he's a defensive midfielder and so 'positivity' isn't his job. He wasted little, won the ball and did the simple stuff very well, looking composed on the ball. When allowed to? Hes been countless positions this season where he could have taken on the shot, taken on the forward pass, taken on a player. Its to easy to blame his problems on Pulis. Hes cost us quite a few goals this season notably the Everton (think it was Everton away live on Sky?) where he has either got his positioning horribly wrong or has simply given the ball away in dangerous areas. He looks composed on the ball? What kind of a myth is that Rob. By composed presumably you mean passing the ball sidewards or backwards 2 yards? I'd rather see a player like Adam who may give the ball away in dangerous areas and may dour at tackling, but makes up for this by bringing much needed positivity to our game and producing match winning moments. Nzonzi neither convinces me defensively or in an attacking regard. I don't know what your view is of a good defensive midfielder but imo Nzonzi doesn't tick too many of the boxes. Add to that hes a walking red card. What a muddled post. So you don't think our midfielders were under instructions from Pulis then? I've seen Nzonzi go past players in a fair few games and be prepared to test the keeper as well. He's a decent premier league midfielder. Defensive midfielders are part of the game Nick. Makelele wasn't an assist machine. Neither was Dunga. Neither was Deschamps.
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Post by boscfc on May 28, 2013 13:58:18 GMT
Cue 5 pages of bianco trying to convince everyone n'zonzi is a shit player, great. Hes not a shit player...but hes not a good player either. Is he the type of player we need at Stoke? Not really. So to recap - Martinez is a magician and N'Zonzi is not what we need? Sweet fucking Jesus....
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