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Post by stokie12345 on Apr 29, 2012 11:02:08 GMT
What do I do to make you love me What have I got to do to be heard What do I do when lightning strikes me What have I got to do What have I got to do, Aaron Ramsey? When sorry seems to be the hardest word
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Post by rambomcslaphappy on Apr 29, 2012 11:11:50 GMT
I don't think there was anything wrong with you lot booing Ramsey or abusing Wenger. We started it with the chant against Shawcross, and you responded which is fair enough. In any case, I hope the bad feeling between the two clubs can dim somewhat next season. I know we have a lot of arseholes especially on twitter, facebook and the blogosphere who have a very Wengercentric view of football that doesn't correspond with the real world, but that's not how every Arsenal fan feels. I'm glad Stoke are in the Premiership because the atmosphere you create at your ground is unique and a throwback to how football used to be. I know feelings between the two clubs and sets of supporters aren't great, but there are plenty of Arsenal fans who don't subscribe to the herd mentality promoted by certain bloggers, and who rightly have respect for Stoke. Brilliant post pal, all the best
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Post by march4 on Apr 29, 2012 11:14:50 GMT
I don't think there was anything wrong with you lot booing Ramsey or abusing Wenger. We started it with the chant against Shawcross, and you responded which is fair enough. In any case, I hope the bad feeling between the two clubs can dim somewhat next season. I know we have a lot of arseholes especially on twitter, facebook and the blogosphere who have a very Wengercentric view of football that doesn't correspond with the real world, but that's not how every Arsenal fan feels. I'm glad Stoke are in the Premiership because the atmosphere you create at your ground is unique and a throwback to how football used to be. I know feelings between the two clubs and sets of supporters aren't great, but there are plenty of Arsenal fans who don't subscribe to the herd mentality promoted by certain bloggers, and who rightly have respect for Stoke. Thanks, mate. A good, sensible post.
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Post by danm on Apr 29, 2012 11:22:26 GMT
So to put it all into perspective:
A grown man got booed. A bitter old man who should know better but is well documented to not know better has a hissy-fit. Newspapers desperate to flog their rags run this as a 'story'. Wow.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 29, 2012 11:46:27 GMT
To be honest I'm surprised that the bleeding hearts on here didn't join in with Arsenal's abuse of Ryan Shawcross. I mean after all it's all his fault by the sounds of it.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 29, 2012 11:48:06 GMT
So to put it all into perspective: A grown man got booed. A bitter old man who should know better but is well documented to not know better has a hissy-fit. Newspapers desperate to flog their rags run this as a 'story'. Wow. Seems a fair assessment of the situation.
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Post by peterperrett on Apr 29, 2012 11:55:56 GMT
So to put it all into perspective: A grown man got booed. A bitter old man who should know better but is well documented to not know better has a hissy-fit. Newspapers desperate to flog their rags run this as a 'story'. Wow. That's it pretend it's nothing and it'll go away. It was shameful as was Liverpool's booing of Evra was shameful. Bottom line is that the rest of English football will view Stoke fans dimly but you lot will no doubt say its a press conspiracy just like Liverpool fans do. Sometimes you have to hold your hands up and admit you are in the wrong. You'll feel better in the long run.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 29, 2012 12:00:32 GMT
So to put it all into perspective: A grown man got booed. A bitter old man who should know better but is well documented to not know better has a hissy-fit. Newspapers desperate to flog their rags run this as a 'story'. Wow. That's it pretend it's nothing and it'll go away. It was shameful as was Liverpool's booing of Evra was shameful. Bottom line is that the rest of English football will view Stoke fans dimly but you lot will no doubt say its a press conspiracy just like Liverpool fans do. Sometimes you have to hold your hands up and admit you are in the wrong. You'll feel better in the long run. Give your head a wobble, petal. I'm guessing you Mackems only sing nursery rhymes to the opposition then?
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Apr 29, 2012 12:03:39 GMT
So to put it all into perspective: A grown man got booed. A bitter old man who should know better but is well documented to not know better has a hissy-fit. Newspapers desperate to flog their rags run this as a 'story'. Wow. That's it pretend it's nothing and it'll go away. It was shameful as was Liverpool's booing of Evra was shameful. Bottom line is that the rest of English football will view Stoke fans dimly but you lot will no doubt say its a press conspiracy just like Liverpool fans do. Sometimes you have to hold your hands up and admit you are in the wrong. You'll feel better in the long run. ffs look. WE DIDNT BOO HIM BECAUSE HE HAD HIS LEG BROKEN!! WE BOOED HIM BECAUSE OF HIS IDIOTIC BEHAVIOUR AFTER THE INCIDENT, DEMONISING SHAWCROSS AND DENYING HE HAD RECEIVED AN APOLOGY!!
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Post by spongebob on Apr 29, 2012 12:37:04 GMT
Most Stoke fans will understand the booing was not just because he "broke his leg" We understand the aftermath and the responses in the press and Ramsays refusal to accept Ryans apology. But if you want me to cheer the next time a football player breaks his leg...then I am sorry but I will not. If you want me jump up and down clapping my hands if Robin Van Persie's career is ended by a tackle...at our ground or anybody elses then I will disappoint you.
Ramsey was an arse for not accepting Ryans apology and yeah...maybe the booing was justified...but wanting another footballer to get his leg broken...deliberately??? Taking the piss out of him, however much of a dick he is..because a Stoke City player broke his leg??? No thanks....there are many different sorts of people in this world..but I am not one who wants to see another person break his leg. I'll scream and shout for my team and I will give opposition teams and players abuse...it is all part of the football experience...but I never want to see a players foot dangle on the end of his leg right in front of me...like Ramsays did that night.
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Post by march4 on Apr 29, 2012 12:40:33 GMT
So to put it all into perspective: A grown man got booed. A bitter old man who should know better but is well documented to not know better has a hissy-fit. Newspapers desperate to flog their rags run this as a 'story'. Wow. That's it pretend it's nothing and it'll go away. It was shameful as was Liverpool's booing of Evra was shameful. Bottom line is that the rest of English football will view Stoke fans dimly but you lot will no doubt say its a press conspiracy just like Liverpool fans do. Sometimes you have to hold your hands up and admit you are in the wrong. You'll feel better in the long run. Don't you remember the horror tackle that caused exactly the same kind of leg break to Rory Delap? The way in which TP, SCFC and Rory reacted is exactly the way in which sportsman should respond. Is there now bad blood between our respective clubs - NO.
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Post by danm on Apr 29, 2012 12:54:40 GMT
Comparing it to the Suarez-Evra racism stuff - really? Forgive me if I find it difficult to take anything else you have to say seriously.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2012 13:11:10 GMT
People booing opposition players at football matches! They should ban all alcohol in ground and breathalyse everyone who wants to enter. They should also film everyone in the stadium, even in the bogs. And also insist everyone wears a microphone - wireless-linked to a massive database server - to record every word uttered. Any discovered infringement of the sensibilities of anyone else - whether that person is in the ground at the time or not - should be punished with life inprisonment.And when that's sorted, well ... they should ban smoking at games too!
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Apr 29, 2012 13:16:37 GMT
If you say that the booing was entirely because Aaron Ramsey broke his leg, which is how the story has filtered through to Hansen, then it sounds inexplicable and tasteless. If you put it in its proper context, it's a lot more justifiable. Too late now though, all over the media what happened today Thanks to you for being a prick about it SGS
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Post by stokie12345 on Apr 29, 2012 13:22:21 GMT
SneydGreenTuncay, never ever change your signature. I could watch it all day.
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Post by march4 on Apr 29, 2012 13:24:24 GMT
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Apr 29, 2012 13:25:23 GMT
I didn't boo him and done condone it although i do think he could have shown some grace over Ryan's challenge after 95% of the football world said it was an accident.
I thought this started when the Arsenal Fans started singing about Ryan but i could be wrong , their attitude to him certainly angers me , agree we should have risen above it though . On the subject of the crowd i thought the Wenger baiting was hilarious despite what anyone in the media says , if we ever lose our sense of baiting in that sense the brit will be as sad and soulless as so many other grounds
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Apr 29, 2012 13:41:34 GMT
How principled we have all become.
I'm sorry but Aaron Ramsay suffered a horrendous injury and we all know now how it occured from the still footage.
That said every independent professional who commented on it afterwards stated that it was unintentional etc etc etc. Our players on the day were the ones looking after the kid on the floor while Arsenal players were trying to Shawcross sent off when the ref was going to do nothing until he saw the extent of the injury. Correct so far?
Our boy walks off the field in tears over what has happened and then gets vilified by an experienced opposition manager and supporters and even the player does not accept Shawcross's apology and calls when i believe any other professional at any other club would have done.
Ramsay could have taken all the heat out of this by simply stating what all independent people have and accepted Ryan's apology and maybe even met up to shake hands for the cameras etc. Correct so far?
But oh no he refuses to accept Ryans apology whether on his own or on instruction of Arsenal either way it makes it no better and i'm sorry but Ramsay has got a part in the ongoing abuse even though he sustained the injury because he and Arsenal continue to pour fuel on the fire by not publically saying something that seemed obvious to most people who watched the incident.
Why is it wrong to boo him for that?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 29, 2012 13:45:56 GMT
How principled we have all become. I'm sorry but Aaron Ramsay suffered a horrendous injury and we all know now how it occured from the still footage. That said every independent professional who commented on it afterwards stated that it was unintentional etc etc etc. Our players on the day were the ones looking after the kid on the floor while Arsenal players were trying to Shawcross sent off when the ref was going to do nothing until he saw the extent of the injury. Correct so far? Our boy walks off the field in tears over what has happened and then gets vilified by an experienced opposition manager and supporters and even the player does not accept Shawcross's apology and calls when i believe any other professional at any other club would have done. Ramsay could have taken all the heat out of this by simply stating what all independent people have and accepted Ryan's apology and maybe even met up to shake hands for the cameras etc. Correct so far? But oh no he refuses to accept Ryans apology whether on his own or on instruction of Arsenal either way it makes it no better and i'm sorry but Ramsay has got a part in the ongoing abuse even though he sustained the injury because he and Arsenal continue to pour fuel on the fire by not publically saying something that seemed obvious to most people who watched the incident. Why is it wrong to boo him for that? I'd be hard pushed to find anything to disagree with there, JSU. I think of myself as a fairly normal individual but I honestly don't see what is wrong with giving him a bit of stick. Let's not forget, the accident happened over TWO years ago and yet they're still crying like bitches about it.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 29, 2012 13:48:51 GMT
I know this is pointless and will simply invite abuse but I can't resist a contribution. Firstly, yes, of course people are entitled to boo who they want but nobody should be surprised if it's seen as small-minded and mean-spirited. That's the way it strikes me and, like every other stokie, I'm 100% behind Ryan Shawcross, who strikes me as clearly blameless both during and after the original incident. I do think it's worth asking what exactly Aaron Ramsay has done wrong. He's not responsible for the chants from the Arsenal fans directed at Ryan - he didn't orchestrate them and that section of the crowd would have had a go at Ryan regardless of Ramsay's response to Ryan's apology - so booing him is not a fair response. Yes, he did not respond as graciously as he might have done to Ryan's apology but I think we're asking a lot of him there. Until I have had my shin snapped by someone else, I won't know how well I will behave when the person whose contact actually caused the break apologises to me. We have some fantastic examples of some people being wonderfully magnanimous after being injured but it's not reasonable to expect it and rather harsh to blame someone who's had that experience if they can't find it in them to accept an apology and move on. In practice booing someone who isn't quite ready for sainthood shows no class and that is how it's being portrayed. The background may not be as detailed as it should be but even with that background we don't emerge with much credit. You are far too insightful, reasonable and sensitive for this board. 'No class' - sums it up absolutely
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Post by padders01 on Apr 29, 2012 14:00:39 GMT
We regularly boo opposition players off when they're subbed why is everyone getting so precious about it just because it's Ramsey? He wasn't boo'd for having had a broken leg, Jesus wept Gervinho wasn't
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Post by leicspotter on Apr 29, 2012 14:05:06 GMT
During the game we were booing ALL the Arsenal players...I, for one, did not boo Ramsey off nor did I join in with the "walks with a limp" chant...neither of these is particularly nice, the latter I found unacceptable. But the general booing, and piss taking of Wenger was superb!
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Post by Etain Tur-Mukan on Apr 29, 2012 14:05:16 GMT
We regularly boo opposition players off when they're subbed why is everyone getting so precious about it just because it's Ramsey? He wasn't boo'd for having had a broken leg, Jesus wept Gervinho wasn't It wasn't worth booing him.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 29, 2012 14:08:37 GMT
During the game we were booing ALL the Arsenal players...I, for one, did not boo Ramsey off nor did I join in with the "walks with a limp" chant...neither of these is particularly nice, the latter I found unacceptable. But the general booing, and piss taking of Wenger was superb! I didn't sing that song but to me it's a bit of gallows humour isn't it? He clearly doesn't walk with a limp as he's made a full recovery and has gone on to be captain of Wales. If the accident had ended his career it would be in poor taste to poke fun of him but two years on I think it's just a bit of fun. Most comedians would have no jokes left at all if references such as this became outlawed.
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Post by ichabodcheesecake on Apr 29, 2012 14:17:03 GMT
Bottom line is that the Stoke fans gave Ramsay no abuse until the Arse fans broke the habit of a lifetime and tried to make some noise by giving Shawcross stick. Wasn't like we were booing him every time he touched the ball (which would only have been 2 or 3 times). I didn't even notice he was on the pitch until he was subbed.
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Post by staffordstokie999 on Apr 29, 2012 15:23:43 GMT
Did Ramsey ever accept Shawcross' apology? If he had and accepted it was an accident there would be no need for all this abuse from both sides
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 29, 2012 15:50:25 GMT
So let me get this right. We're not allowed to boo or otherwise be nasty to any player who has ever been injured? Glad you told me I could OF got myself in trouble
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Post by tazi on Apr 29, 2012 15:57:24 GMT
How principled we have all become. I'm sorry but Aaron Ramsay suffered a horrendous injury and we all know now how it occured from the still footage. That said every independent professional who commented on it afterwards stated that it was unintentional etc etc etc. Our players on the day were the ones looking after the kid on the floor while Arsenal players were trying to Shawcross sent off when the ref was going to do nothing until he saw the extent of the injury. Correct so far? Our boy walks off the field in tears over what has happened and then gets vilified by an experienced opposition manager and supporters and even the player does not accept Shawcross's apology and calls when i believe any other professional at any other club would have done. Ramsay could have taken all the heat out of this by simply stating what all independent people have and accepted Ryan's apology and maybe even met up to shake hands for the cameras etc. Correct so far? But oh no he refuses to accept Ryans apology whether on his own or on instruction of Arsenal either way it makes it no better and i'm sorry but Ramsay has got a part in the ongoing abuse even though he sustained the injury because he and Arsenal continue to pour fuel on the fire by not publically saying something that seemed obvious to most people who watched the incident. Why is it wrong to boo him for that? What still footage is that?....
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 29, 2012 16:10:43 GMT
Ramsey is a weapon. End of. Didn't the self important little prick have a hissy fit because the Welsh FA didn't consult him before they appointed the new national manager. Delusional tool. He does play for Arsenal though I suppose. It might explain his reaction to the Shawcross apology.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 29, 2012 16:14:34 GMT
It is also worth noting that Ramsey is actually pretty shit and that is fuck all to do with his injury.
I didn't boo him and as I said further up the thread, neither did anyone else until their fans tried the Shawcross chant.
As always, they then cried like the fucking big babies they are.
On their next visit, should he play, I will boo, abuse and heckle until my heart is content!
A hearty well done to everyone who made the Arsenal visit as uncomfortable as it could possibly be for all of them.
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