LouieIsTheKing
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Post by LouieIsTheKing on Apr 29, 2012 7:53:20 GMT
Shawcross received constant abuse from the Arsenal fans throughout the second half. What little stick Ramsey received was nothing in comparison.
Unfortunately, Wenger has the London-based media in his palm and was able to deflect questioning away from his own inability to beat Stoke. Once again, the truth is whatever Arsene says, not what really happened. It's all more cannon fodder for the likes of Quinn and Durham at Talk Sport and the other anti-Stoke journos.
The sooner Wenger leaves the English game, the better.
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Post by stokebill on Apr 29, 2012 8:02:44 GMT
I think he's fair game now. He suffered a nasty injury and that can happen in football but has since made a full recovery. If he was sat in the stands and his career had been ended of course it would be in poor taste but he's absolutely fine and given the circumstances I thought it was perfectly acceptable to give him and his manager some stick. Anyone would think he died during the incident! I didn't realise the supporter rules now dictate that someone who has been injured should be politely applauded whenever they play and be immune to any chants from the crowd. It's all heading in a very sterile direction. I think this pretty much sums up where I stand. It was a bad injury, he lost 23 Premier League games of his career. I do wonder when we're allowed to give him some stick as a member of the team we loath. Perhaps we should ask Sunderland fans. They seem to be able to give Delap dogs abuse when he takes 12 seconds over a long throw. (3 winky faces, just to be clear)
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Post by metalhead on Apr 29, 2012 8:09:07 GMT
Just watched Match of the Day this morning (I know early one huh?) and already bored of the punditry, self elected experts bashing Stoke fans. Read a few of the so called papers where they are all criticizing Stoke fans for their 'abuse' of Ramsey.
Firstly, Stoke didn't start any negative chanting towards Ramsey. The first chant I heard which started kicking it off, was Arsenal fans clumsily singing "you know what you are, Ryan Shawcross, you know what you are". So that's bollocks, although I'm happy to be corrected. There were chants for Ramsey from the minority, but just because a teams supporters boo another teams player, doesn't mean we are gloating over the fact he's had a broken leg. Also, the majority of Arsenal supporters took part in the Shawcross chant.
If that was any old tom dick or harry we'd have booed him leaving the pitch, it's expected, so why is it okay for these media rogues to publish self opinionated bile about Stoke fans suggesting that we targeted Ramsey?
Ahh fuck them, all a bunch of Arsenal loving pricks.
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Post by sportsman on Apr 29, 2012 8:13:52 GMT
What did they want us to do, boo all arsenal players then cheer when Ramsey gets it?
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Post by snapotter on Apr 29, 2012 8:17:57 GMT
I don't think he should have faced booing from the Stoke fans.
We could offer an apology.........but I don't think he accepts them.
I'm also gutted than Alan Hansen is disappointed. When I'm at the match, or just generally facing a moral dilemma, I often wonder "what would Alan Hansen do?" It's kept me out of no end of mither over the years ( with the exception of the odd slightly racist faux pas)
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Post by greenhoff74 on Apr 29, 2012 8:19:49 GMT
This was tweeted by “@henrywinter: Stoke have some great fans. Sadly, they also have some heartless ones. Ramsey fought back from bad injury & deserves admiration not derisionâ€
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 29, 2012 8:30:53 GMT
My guess is most people were booing Ramsay as an Arsenal player.
Anyone feeling any particular hatred for Ramsay as an individual would be advised to have a look in the mirror/get some anger management help.
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Post by kinetic9296 on Apr 29, 2012 8:35:22 GMT
He shouldn't of reacted how he did when he came off, & if the arse fans give Ryan shit then in my opinion we have every right to give their players shit. Was funny aswell though :-D
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Post by ColonelMustard on Apr 29, 2012 8:45:18 GMT
I don't think he should have faced booing from the Stoke fans. We could offer an apology.........but I don't think he accepts them. I'm also gutted than Alan Hansen is disappointed. When I'm at the match, or just generally facing a moral dilemma, I often wonder "what would Alan Hansen do?" It's kept me out of no end of mither over the years ( with the exception of the odd slightly racist faux pas) I didn't boo but this is a belting post
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 29, 2012 8:49:28 GMT
My guess is most people were booing Ramsay as an Arsenal player. Anyone feeling any particular hatred for Ramsay as an individual would be advised to have a look in the mirror/get some anger management help. I don't agree, mate. His reactions to Ryan's apology is what upsets people. Players get injured and accept that those sort of things happen, just as Rory did. That's the difference in my opinion.
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Post by DannyStokie on Apr 29, 2012 8:53:01 GMT
Amazing that they think we should have admired Ramsay, my dads broke his leg 3 times, once just the same week as Ramsay, we all took the piss out of him when it happened, but he doesn't constantly whine about it nor does he want admiration for it healing and him going back to work.
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Post by sirpineapple89 on Apr 29, 2012 8:54:40 GMT
As somebody else earlier mentioned earlier on, how many times has a broken leg ended somebody's career? Just wondered but that's not particularly relevant anyway. Ramsey wasn't booed because he broke his leg. His own supporters caused the whole bloody thing with their brainless Shawcross song.
I genuinely can't believe that, after every insult that has come our way from Wenger and Arsenal Football Club, some Stoke fans are actually upset that we've offend them. Especially when those bastards started it all yesterday too.
Their insults are made in a snidy fashion through the media whereas ours are sung at full pelt, like it should be.
I'm glad they feel like that. Fuck Arsenal and bollocks to thw ill informed media.
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Post by Trubritt on Apr 29, 2012 8:55:08 GMT
There was absolutely no booing of Ramsey from Stoke fans until those thick, deluded southern softies gave it the "Ryan Shawcross you know what you are" chants. Aaron Ramsey, Arsenal, Arsene Wenger and every one of their calcium deficient fannies can go fuck themselves. To everyone who made the afternoon uncomfortable for Aaron Ramsey, Arsehole Wenger and anyone else associtated with Arsenal, a hearty well done from me! and i agree
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 29, 2012 8:56:47 GMT
My guess is most people were booing Ramsay as an Arsenal player. Anyone feeling any particular hatred for Ramsay as an individual would be advised to have a look in the mirror/get some anger management help. I don't agree, mate. His reactions to Ryan's apology is what upsets people. Players get injured and accept that those sort of things happen, just as Rory did. That's the difference in my opinion. Maybe so Jamo but to be fair he was a young lad, nasty leg break and he had Wenger filling him with shit. He was wrong to react to Shawcross as he did but I would argue there were mitigating circumstances. I would be far happier if we directed our venom at the self-important, self-appointed high priest of carpet football who manages him.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 29, 2012 9:01:16 GMT
I don't agree, mate. His reactions to Ryan's apology is what upsets people. Players get injured and accept that those sort of things happen, just as Rory did. That's the difference in my opinion. Maybe so Jamo but to be fair he was a young lad, nasty leg break and he had Wenger filling him with shit. He was wrong to react to Shawcross as he did but I would argue there were mitigating circumstances. I would be far happier if we directed our venom at the self-important, self-appointed high priest of carpet football who manages him. He said that Shawcross meant to take him out. That is why he is a total cunt and deserves all he gets.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 29, 2012 9:03:20 GMT
Maybe so Jamo but to be fair he was a young lad, nasty leg break and he had Wenger filling him with shit. He was wrong to react to Shawcross as he did but I would argue there were mitigating circumstances. I would be far happier if we directed our venom at the self-important, self-appointed high priest of carpet football who manages him. He said that Shawcross meant to take him out. That is why he is a total cunt and deserves all he gets. I see where you're coming from but I still don't think he deserves targeting.
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Post by smigchop on Apr 29, 2012 9:06:19 GMT
Nobody has mentioned the invisible wall between arsenal fans and shawcross at the end of the game yet either...... Big hard cockneys you have to laugh.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2012 9:08:05 GMT
I don't think there was anything wrong with you lot booing Ramsey or abusing Wenger. We started it with the chant against Shawcross, and you responded which is fair enough.
In any case, I hope the bad feeling between the two clubs can dim somewhat next season. I know we have a lot of arseholes especially on twitter, facebook and the blogosphere who have a very Wengercentric view of football that doesn't correspond with the real world, but that's not how every Arsenal fan feels.
I'm glad Stoke are in the Premiership because the atmosphere you create at your ground is unique and a throwback to how football used to be. I know feelings between the two clubs and sets of supporters aren't great, but there are plenty of Arsenal fans who don't subscribe to the herd mentality promoted by certain bloggers, and who rightly have respect for Stoke.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 29, 2012 9:11:30 GMT
I don't think there was anything wrong with you lot booing Ramsey or abusing Wenger. We started it with the chant against Shawcross, and you responded which is fair enough. In any case, I hope the bad feeling between the two clubs can dim somewhat next season. I know we have a lot of arseholes especially on twitter, facebook and the blogosphere who have a very Wengercentric view of football that doesn't correspond with the real world, but that's not how every Arsenal fan feels. I'm glad Stoke are in the Premiership because the atmosphere you create at your ground is unique and a throwback to how football used to be. I know feelings between the two clubs and sets of supporters aren't great, but there are plenty of Arsenal fans who don't subscribe to the herd mentality promoted by certain bloggers, and who rightly have respect for Stoke. Rational and balanced Arsenal fan?!!??? Good post!
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 29, 2012 9:12:26 GMT
What these morons fail to realise, is just how bad it comes over to the neutral. These are the same idiots who probably come on here whinging when the media give us a hard time. are these the same neutrals who say the club we love has no place in the premier league/are a disgrace to the game/should have been banned from playing in the europa league...because of how we CHOOSE to play? ??? yeah spitthedog, i really value their opinion of me!! In short, No. Your reply just highlights the paranoia and 'victim' mentality many of our fans have towards all commentators and all outsiders. Maybe you mix in different circles, but nearly all the work colleagues I associate with all around the country, have a very positive view of Stoke City, and see them as a hard working, honest outfit who have earned the right to be where we are. I am just saddened that some short sighted idiots who thinks its clever to boo a player who has suffered a career threatening injury carelessly damage that reputation.
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Post by rambomcslaphappy on Apr 29, 2012 9:28:09 GMT
Why? Fucking disgusting and anyone that did should be ashamed of themselves. Because we were hoping that his leg would drop off obviously
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Post by fca47 on Apr 29, 2012 9:49:29 GMT
Most of the people commenting in the media are getting their info on what happened by reports from London hacks at the game, who are only giving one side of the story, as they are in Wengers pocket. Shawcross was getting abuse from their fans even when the teams came out to warm up. They are taking the moral highground, when it is them and their manager who keep resurrecting this. I wouldn't normally condone this, but Ramsey is an utter cock and I don't feel any remorse for the abuse he got. It would have been put to bed if he had accepted Shawcross's apology and Wenger didn't continue with his vendetta against Ryan, with his comments about him kicking a goalkeeper, Wenger should have been hauled up by the F.A. for bringing the game into disrepute.
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Apr 29, 2012 9:56:09 GMT
I don't think he should have faced booing from the Stoke fans. We could offer an apology.........but I don't think he accepts them.I'm also gutted than Alan Hansen is disappointed. When I'm at the match, or just generally facing a moral dilemma, I often wonder "what would Alan Hansen do?" It's kept me out of no end of mither over the years ( with the exception of the odd slightly racist faux pas) Classic quote for mine!!
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Post by swampmongrel on Apr 29, 2012 10:11:32 GMT
I don't think there was anything wrong with you lot booing Ramsey or abusing Wenger. We started it with the chant against Shawcross, and you responded which is fair enough. In any case, I hope the bad feeling between the two clubs can dim somewhat next season. I know we have a lot of arseholes especially on twitter, facebook and the blogosphere who have a very Wengercentric view of football that doesn't correspond with the real world, but that's not how every Arsenal fan feels. I'm glad Stoke are in the Premiership because the atmosphere you create at your ground is unique and a throwback to how football used to be. I know feelings between the two clubs and sets of supporters aren't great, but there are plenty of Arsenal fans who don't subscribe to the herd mentality promoted by certain bloggers, and who rightly have respect for Stoke. Hello. Decent of you to post especially given that Arsenal aren't universally popular here (you might have noticed ). I don't really have any problem with proper Arsenal fans. The problem is that a successful club like Arsenal seems to attract every fucking halfwit on the planet with an internet connection and a worthless opinion. To be honest Wenger doesn't help either but the Arsenal fans I've spokent to, in the flesh, generally don't share the same views on the whole Ramsay/Shawcross incident as the likes of Alan Davies and the extremist webmongs.
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Post by astro on Apr 29, 2012 10:37:11 GMT
I know this is pointless and will simply invite abuse but I can't resist a contribution. Firstly, yes, of course people are entitled to boo who they want but nobody should be surprised if it's seen as small-minded and mean-spirited. That's the way it strikes me and, like every other stokie, I'm 100% behind Ryan Shawcross, who strikes me as clearly blameless both during and after the original incident. I do think it's worth asking what exactly Aaron Ramsay has done wrong. He's not responsible for the chants from the Arsenal fans directed at Ryan - he didn't orchestrate them and that section of the crowd would have had a go at Ryan regardless of Ramsay's response to Ryan's apology - so booing him is not a fair response. Yes, he did not respond as graciously as he might have done to Ryan's apology but I think we're asking a lot of him there. Until I have had my shin snapped by someone else, I won't know how well I will behave when the person whose contact actually caused the break apologises to me. We have some fantastic examples of some people being wonderfully magnanimous after being injured but it's not reasonable to expect it and rather harsh to blame someone who's had that experience if they can't find it in them to accept an apology and move on. In practice booing someone who isn't quite ready for sainthood shows no class and that is how it's being portrayed. The background may not be as detailed as it should be but even with that background we don't emerge with much credit.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 29, 2012 10:41:03 GMT
I know this is pointless and will simply invite abuse but I can't resist a contribution. Firstly, yes, of course people are entitled to boo who they want but nobody should be surprised if it's seen as small-minded and mean-spirited. That's the way it strikes me and, like every other stokie, I'm 100% behind Ryan Shawcross, who strikes me as clearly blameless both during and after the original incident. I do think it's worth asking what exactly Aaron Ramsay has done wrong. He's not responsible for the chants from the Arsenal fans directed at Ryan - he didn't orchestrate them and that section of the crowd would have had a go at Ryan regardless of Ramsay's response to Ryan's apology - so booing him is not a fair response. Yes, he did not respond as graciously as he might have done to Ryan's apology but I think we're asking a lot of him there. Until I have had my shin snapped by someone else, I won't know how well I will behave when the person whose contact actually caused the break apologises to me. We have some fantastic examples of some people being wonderfully magnanimous after being injured but it's not reasonable to expect it and rather harsh to blame someone who's had that experience if they can't find it in them to accept an apology and move on. In practice booing someone who isn't quite ready for sainthood shows no class and that is how it's being portrayed. The background may not be as detailed as it should be but even with that background we don't emerge with much credit. Good post.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Apr 29, 2012 10:50:14 GMT
I know this is pointless and will simply invite abuse but I can't resist a contribution. Firstly, yes, of course people are entitled to boo who they want but nobody should be surprised if it's seen as small-minded and mean-spirited. That's the way it strikes me and, like every other stokie, I'm 100% behind Ryan Shawcross, who strikes me as clearly blameless both during and after the original incident. I do think it's worth asking what exactly Aaron Ramsay has done wrong. He's not responsible for the chants from the Arsenal fans directed at Ryan - he didn't orchestrate them and that section of the crowd would have had a go at Ryan regardless of Ramsay's response to Ryan's apology - so booing him is not a fair response. Yes, he did not respond as graciously as he might have done to Ryan's apology but I think we're asking a lot of him there. Until I have had my shin snapped by someone else, I won't know how well I will behave when the person whose contact actually caused the break apologises to me. We have some fantastic examples of some people being wonderfully magnanimous after being injured but it's not reasonable to expect it and rather harsh to blame someone who's had that experience if they can't find it in them to accept an apology and move on. In practice booing someone who isn't quite ready for sainthood shows no class and that is how it's being portrayed. The background may not be as detailed as it should be but even with that background we don't emerge with much credit. After reading that, I can only presume that you're a Liberal Democrat voter?
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 29, 2012 10:53:43 GMT
Again, is booing really that big a deal? It's not like anybody ran on the pitch and stabbed him, it's just a bit of mild noise. Why he thought it justified making a Nazi salute (or an incredibly strange wave) at the Boothen End I don't know.
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Post by stokie25 on Apr 29, 2012 10:56:02 GMT
We regularly boo opposition players off when they're subbed why is everyone getting so precious about it just because it's Ramsey? He wasn't boo'd for having had a broken leg, Jesus wept
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Post by stokie12345 on Apr 29, 2012 10:58:06 GMT
Right then, next season we'll have to think of something better to avoid this criticism. I reckon either sarcastic cheers whenever he touches the ball or an Inbetweeners-style high-pitched "FRIEND?" would sound great sweeping around the ground.
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