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Post by staffordstokie999 on Jan 23, 2012 14:09:51 GMT
over 5,000 going to Derby, sold out with a week to go, about the same number going to Valencia. Crowds are not dropping, these are great times to be a Stoke supporter, if a few glory hunters dont want to go anymore because Woodgate plays at right back, we narrowly lost to West Brom, then thats their loss, they wont be missed.
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Post by borat on Jan 23, 2012 14:11:33 GMT
over 5,000 going to Derby, sold out with a week to go, about the same number going to Valencia. Crowds are not dropping, these are great times to be a Stoke supporter, if a few glory hunters dont want to go anymore because Woodgate plays at right back, we narrowly lost to West Brom, then thats their loss, they wont be missed. Very well said
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2012 14:13:46 GMT
For fucks sake. This is Stoke. It's what we do. We will take points off the big teams, get to cup finals, do something in Europe and then fall over at fairly low level hurdles. As fans we're either delirious or depressed, but nothing in between.
If you think the West Brom result was bad, it is nothing compared to being dicked at home by Blythe Spartans.
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Post by DodgyDino on Jan 23, 2012 14:42:20 GMT
Im one of the old brigade, Been going since the 70s with season tickets to boot. Over the years ive seen some shit as has everyone else. I can accept losing (You have to being a Stokie) but im finding it harder to accept our style of play and team selections. I dont go to away games anymore (Because of the way we setup) but ive always attended our home. All i expect is we play our best 11 in the Premiership, If we lose then we lose but saturday i believe we lost because we started with a weakened side.....Wilco and Pennant on the right work well together just as Shawcross and Huth worked well together but look how long it took the gaffer to realise this after everyone saw it within a couple of perfomances of messing the centre backs about. I for one can accept a defeat but cant accept our best winger sitting on the bench....I think the gaffer needs to realise players like Pennant are more entertaining than watching Shotton. As for Woodgate, I didnt think he was actually that bad Saturday but again there better players who play that position sitting on the bench. As for getting bored i must say i am myself.....Hate say it but i am
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Post by potters 22 on Jan 23, 2012 15:06:19 GMT
over 5,000 going to Derby, sold out with a week to go, about the same number going to Valencia. Crowds are not dropping, these are great times to be a Stoke supporter, if a few glory hunters dont want to go anymore because Woodgate plays at right back, we narrowly lost to West Brom, then thats their loss, they wont be missed. WELL SAID THAT MAN!!
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Post by SussexStokie on Jan 23, 2012 15:11:17 GMT
As an ex-pat I am over in the UK in March and I was hoping to see Stoke on March 24th against Man City. Having just witnessed that dross on Saturday v West Brom, and the dross in the previous home games, and some away, I have decided now not to visit the Brit, which is a shame in a way, as at my age, I may not get another chance. Just have to watch it on Sky, probably be more dross anyway!
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Post by BristolMick on Jan 23, 2012 15:20:45 GMT
over 5,000 going to Derby, sold out with a week to go, about the same number going to Valencia. Crowds are not dropping, these are great times to be a Stoke supporter, if a few glory hunters dont want to go anymore because Woodgate plays at right back, we narrowly lost to West Brom, then thats their loss, they wont be missed. WELL SAID THAT MAN!! Potters22. Why can't you accept Pulis being criticised for his team selection on Saturday? Why can't you accept that the team selection hindered our chances of winning the game and hindered us from playing good and effective football? Why can't you accept that a lot of supporters new and old are frustrated with this? BM
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Post by potters 22 on Jan 23, 2012 15:21:27 GMT
I think folk will find its ( mostly ) the long standing core support who are becoming restless with the current "fayre" on display and its ( mostly ) the "newer" supporter who is happy with their lot and the ones who will walk away again if we ever got relegated again and will then not give two hoots who the manager is? all imo of course What utter bollox you spout,ive been a season ticket holder for 23 years and im more than happy the way the club is improving year on year. Does that make me the long standing core support or your newer glory hunter? Long live tony pulis as stoke city manager.
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Post by foster on Jan 23, 2012 15:24:08 GMT
I think folk will find its ( mostly ) the long standing core support who are becoming restless with the current "fayre" on display and its ( mostly ) the "newer" supporter who is happy with their lot and the ones who will walk away again if we ever got relegated again and will then not give two hoots who the manager is? all imo of course What utter bollox you spout,ive been a season ticket holder for 23 years and im more than happy the way the club is improving year on year. Does that make me the long standing core support or your newer glory hunter? Long live tony pulis as stoke city manager. Good to see you've mastered the art of having a civilised debate.
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Post by potters 22 on Jan 23, 2012 15:24:44 GMT
Potters22. Why can't you accept Pulis being criticised for his team selection on Saturday? Why can't you accept that the team selection hindered our chances of winning the game and hindered us from playing good and effective football? Why can't you accept that a lot of supporters new and old are frustrated with this? BM I CAN accept pulis being criticised for team selection on saturday,shotton and woody shouldnt both be playing at home,pennant should have. What i cant accept is the utter drivel many on here put after a loss,like pulis has taken us as far as he can etc etc,what shit that is eh bristolmick?
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Post by DodgyDino on Jan 23, 2012 15:26:08 GMT
over 5,000 going to Derby, sold out with a week to go, about the same number going to Valencia. Crowds are not dropping, these are great times to be a Stoke supporter, if a few glory hunters dont want to go anymore because Woodgate plays at right back, we narrowly lost to West Brom, then thats their loss, they wont be missed. The fans turn out to support the team, there will be plenty there who will not have been happy saturday.....As for narrowly losing to WBA i think everyone one knows we only lost by the odd goal but in reality they totally out played us and if it werent for the wood work it could have been a hell of a lot worse than it was
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2012 15:33:10 GMT
over 5,000 going to Derby, sold out with a week to go, about the same number going to Valencia. Crowds are not dropping, these are great times to be a Stoke supporter, if a few glory hunters dont want to go anymore because Woodgate plays at right back, we narrowly lost to West Brom, then thats their loss, they wont be missed. The fans turn out to support the team, there will be plenty there who will not have been happy saturday.....As for narrowly losing to WBA i think everyone one knows we only lost by the odd goal but in reality they totally out played us and if it werent for the wood work it could have been a hell of a lot worse than it was So while the team is performing, crowds aren't going to drop you would fairly safely assume...
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Post by BristolMick on Jan 23, 2012 15:41:45 GMT
Potters22. Why can't you accept Pulis being criticised for his team selection on Saturday? Why can't you accept that the team selection hindered our chances of winning the game and hindered us from playing good and effective football? Why can't you accept that a lot of supporters new and old are frustrated with this? BM I CAN accept pulis being criticised for team selection on saturday,shotton and woody shouldnt both be playing at home,pennant should have. What i cant accept is the utter drivel many on here put after a loss,like pulis has taken us as far as he can etc etc,what shit that is eh bristolmick? There are not many people saying that he has taken us as far as he can and there is hardly anyone hoping that! If there was a poll that gave the choices of. Pulis should be Sacked. Pulis is brilliant and can do nothing wrong EVER. There would be far far more in the second camp. Most people would like him to just change some of the bizzare team selections and negative tactics that he sometimes employs and evolve in the way that he promised he would when he was able to sign better quality players. BM
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Post by buiskatthebrit on Jan 23, 2012 15:42:48 GMT
over 5,000 going to Derby, sold out with a week to go, about the same number going to Valencia. Crowds are not dropping, these are great times to be a Stoke supporter, if a few glory hunters dont want to go anymore because Woodgate plays at right back, we narrowly lost to West Brom, then thats their loss, they wont be missed. The fans turn out to support the team, there will be plenty there who will not have been happy saturday.....As for narrowly losing to WBA i think everyone one knows we only lost by the odd goal but in reality they totally out played us and if it werent for the wood work it could have been a hell of a lot worse than it was Agreed. But that's football - "ifs and could haves " etc. Strange results. We recently robbed Spurs and got a point at Anfield. Lots of "ifs and could haves" and maybe's involved there. Woo hoo !!
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Post by potters 22 on Jan 23, 2012 15:44:39 GMT
I CAN accept pulis being criticised for team selection on saturday,shotton and woody shouldnt both be playing at home,pennant should have. What i cant accept is the utter drivel many on here put after a loss,like pulis has taken us as far as he can etc etc,what shit that is eh bristolmick? There are not many people saying that he has taken us as far as he can and there is hardly anyone hoping that! If there was a poll that gave the choices of. Pulis should be Sacked. Pulis is brilliant and can do nothing wrong EVER. There would be far far more in the second camp. Most people would like him to just change some of the bizzare team selections and negative tactics that he sometimes employs and evolve in the way that he promised he would when he was able to sign better quality players. BM Must be my eyes then.
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Post by BristolMick on Jan 23, 2012 15:48:02 GMT
There are not many people saying that he has taken us as far as he can and there is hardly anyone hoping that! If there was a poll that gave the choices of. Pulis should be Sacked. Pulis is brilliant and can do nothing wrong EVER. There would be far far more in the second camp. Most people would like him to just change some of the bizzare team selections and negative tactics that he sometimes employs and evolve in the way that he promised he would when he was able to sign better quality players. BM Must be my eyes then. You must mean "in your eyes" then. Because I dont think you can show more than half a dozen people who have said that, and you can see there are far more people who think he can do no wrong. As always the true concensus is at neither extreme! BM
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jan 23, 2012 15:56:02 GMT
I think folk will find its ( mostly ) the long standing core support who are becoming restless with the current "fayre" on display and its ( mostly ) the "newer" supporter who is happy with their lot and the ones who will walk away again if we ever got relegated again and will then not give two hoots who the manager is? all imo of course Don't think you're too far away from the truth there actually. Most of the older brigade realise that it isn't only TP who could make a decent job of managing a SCFC team in the Premiership. Given the money and resources at his disposal you would hope for a touch of "flair" here and there, a bit of entertaining, dynamic football worthy of the division we are playing in. It was summed up a week or two ago for me when there was a debate on this messageboard about the "type" of throw-ins we should adopt for the next game. FFS.
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Post by stokhe on Jan 23, 2012 16:03:20 GMT
id prefer results over "flair" anyday.
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Post by jonnynico on Jan 23, 2012 16:04:33 GMT
One bad performance and people think we are going down makes me laugh.I like pulis but at times i cant understand why he plays the people he plays.Shotton and woodgate shouldnt of been on the pitch saturday for me.He needs to play his strongest squad and not the squad he gets on with the most. If you think we've had one bad performance you can't of seen many games or you wear those rose tinted glasses.
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Post by spongebob on Jan 23, 2012 16:42:18 GMT
Gods maybe im different i will put up with the dross we produce if we get half decent results. Watching us fuck about like a dog with a ballon against mediocre opposition at home is different with square pegs in round holes ,using negative tacticts at home i wont. Neither will people less engrained in stoke City than me. Actually my dog is brilliant with a Balloon... and hes fast as a whippet (he's a border collie) after the ball down the wing....he can dribble better than Balottelli and at a push will even play in goal....problem is when I blast penalties at him....the silly bastard tries to catch them....and look what happens.... ;D
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Post by jonnynico on Jan 23, 2012 16:53:08 GMT
The majority of the fans who turn on Pulis as soon as something goes wrong are either a bit special or only been going since 2008 and haven't got a clue about how low we've been in the past 20 years. That is not right Borat. Its not even any where near right. There aren't many fans that dont appreciate what Pulis has done for this club or know that our status and achivements couldn't have been forseen in our wildest dreams only 10 years ago. Tony Pulis has done a great job but couldn't have done any of it without the reborn Peter Coates. We are where we are and no one is going to be unhappy with league position or europe or FAC final etc, or what TP has done for the club. There might be a few crazy people who want him sacked but most of the people who are disgruntled now just want him to change, to evolve as he promised us he would. Just spouting where we are in the league or what we have achieved is no defence for trying to be clever and picking players in the wrong position or not playing your best team in important games against opposition you expect to beat. BM You're spot on there, i don't like pulis never have probably never will (his stubbeness & childish holding grudges) but i do admire him for what he's done for the club, but i would never say sack the manager, not even when alan ball was here. I'v supported stoke for 46 years and sat through some shit and good times but when its in your blood you will take anything and have a good mone. I'm sure that if pulis said the sun had frozen over some on here would be shopping tomorrow for some gloves & skies
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Post by matisfaction on Jan 23, 2012 17:50:54 GMT
i don't like pulis never have probably never will... ...childish holding grudges)
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Post by march4 on Jan 23, 2012 17:55:51 GMT
That is not right Borat. Its not even any where near right. There aren't many fans that dont appreciate what Pulis has done for this club or know that our status and achivements couldn't have been forseen in our wildest dreams only 10 years ago. Tony Pulis has done a great job but couldn't have done any of it without the reborn Peter Coates. We are where we are and no one is going to be unhappy with league position or europe or FAC final etc, or what TP has done for the club. There might be a few crazy people who want him sacked but most of the people who are disgruntled now just want him to change, to evolve as he promised us he would. Just spouting where we are in the league or what we have achieved is no defence for trying to be clever and picking players in the wrong position or not playing your best team in important games against opposition you expect to beat. BM You're spot on there, i don't like pulis never have probably never will (his stubbeness & childish holding grudges) but i do admire him for what he's done for the club, but i would never say sack the manager, not even when alan ball was here. I'v supported stoke for 46 years and sat through some shit and good times but when its in your blood you will take anything and have a good mone. I'm sure that if pulis said the sun had frozen over some on here would be shopping tomorrow for some gloves & skies The Sun froze over - when?? Must nip out to buy some gloves and skis.
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Post by werrington on Jan 23, 2012 18:19:42 GMT
I think folk will find its ( mostly ) the long standing core support who are becoming restless with the current "fayre" on display and its ( mostly ) the "newer" supporter who is happy with their lot and the ones who will walk away again if we ever got relegated again and will then not give two hoots who the manager is? all imo of course What utter bollox you spout,ive been a season ticket holder for 23 years and im more than happy the way the club is improving year on year. Does that make me the long standing core support or your newer glory hunter? Long live tony pulis as stoke city manager. 1....I suggest you read my post again before frothing 2.... I have been a season ticket holder since the early 70s so i dont see your point?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2012 18:41:03 GMT
As I've said before Tony Pulis has done a brilliant job at Stoke City. The club has progressed on and off the pitch. The training facilities are second to none and we are an established Premier League team. We have a fantastic squad of players with a sprinkling of international footballers. We have been to Wembley wtice and have done pretty well in Europe with a fantastic tie coming up against top Spanish opposition. Everything is rosy or is it?
Fort me the quality of football this season has been nothing short of garbage. I have been to every Home game and a couple of away ties and I've seen about 3 hours of good football. The rest of the time has been totally devoid of craft or guile. Its sterile and percentage football of the most horrid kind and I would argue this is especially at Home the worst football we have played since we came up and reminds me of the binary season. For the money we have spent on players this is nothing short of scandelous. The thing thats pisses me off is that we can be and have proved in the past to be so much better. Everyone and I mean everyone that I talk to is so depressed about Saturdays result and team selection.
Will it affect the crowds? In the short term perhaps not too much but in the longer term I think it will. As thePremier League shine wears off and I think to an extent it has already (reflected in the lack of atmosphere) and the quality of football reamins the same then I think it is inevitable crowds will go down.
Do I want Pulis to go ? No but I wish he'd stop fannying around with team selection and realise his players are much better than he allows them to be. We are an established outfit and we should be scared of no-one. We can get a result anywhere.
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Post by sutekh on Jan 23, 2012 18:44:04 GMT
I have been a regular since the 1965/66 season and during that time i have witnessed dross in various divisions under various managers but have often had to accept the fact that my hometown club was skint. Pulis has no excuses,no stoke manager has ever recieved the amount of financial backing that he has enjoyed over the years,£90m spent and still no specialist left fullback,midfield creativity or pace in the side is nothing short of a joke imo. I've held a season ticket for 31 yrs and make the 440 mile round trip up from kent as often as possible but this season will be my last.
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Post by werrington on Jan 23, 2012 18:46:31 GMT
I have been a regular since the 1965/66 season and during that time i have witnessed dross in various divisions under various managers but have often had to accept the fact that my hometown club was skint. Pulis has no excuses,no stoke manager has ever recieved the amount of financial backing that he has enjoyed over the years,£90m spent and still no specialist left fullback,midfield creativity or pace in the side is nothing short of a joke imo. I've held a season ticket for 31 yrs and make the 440 mile round trip up from kent as often as possible but this season will be my last. Add to that it is now around ( for some fixtures ) £40+ admission
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Post by jstoke7 on Jan 23, 2012 18:51:24 GMT
id prefer results over "flair" anyday. Why is there this ridiculous opinion that flair/attacking football and results are antithetical?
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Post by march4 on Jan 23, 2012 18:53:01 GMT
I have been a regular since the 1965/66 season and during that time i have witnessed dross in various divisions under various managers but have often had to accept the fact that my hometown club was skint. Pulis has no excuses,no stoke manager has ever recieved the amount of financial backing that he has enjoyed over the years,£90m spent and still no specialist left fullback,midfield creativity or pace in the side is nothing short of a joke imo. I've held a season ticket for 31 yrs and make the 440 mile round trip up from kent as often as possible but this season will be my last. There are no full backs or midfielders in our team shape, so why should we sign them or play them? We play the most efficient form of football yet developed by mankind. We have 2 centre backs and 2 wide defenders. Their job is to defend, defend, defend and defend. If the ball comes near they smack it 80 yards up the pitch. No need for wannabe wingers. In front of the centre backs we have a tall defensive shield who is good in the air and makes an extra centre back when needed. We then have a water carrier who operates slightly further forwards but should not go much beyond the centre circle. The job of both players is to break up opposition attacks - nothing more. They could go 90 mins and barely touch the ball and yet have outstanding games. We have 4 offensive players - as many as most clubs and we are the best team in the Prem at setplays. No need to change - just bring in bigger, stronger, faster, fitter players to enhance our system.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 23, 2012 19:02:49 GMT
I have been a regular since the 1965/66 season and during that time i have witnessed dross in various divisions under various managers but have often had to accept the fact that my hometown club was skint. Pulis has no excuses,no stoke manager has ever recieved the amount of financial backing that he has enjoyed over the years,£90m spent and still no specialist left fullback,midfield creativity or pace in the side is nothing short of a joke imo. I've held a season ticket for 31 yrs and make the 440 mile round trip up from kent as often as possible but this season will be my last. There are no full backs or midfielders in our team shape, so why should we sign them or play them? We play the most efficient form of football yet developed by mankind. We have 2 centre backs and 2 wide defenders. Their job is to defend, defend, defend and defend. If the ball comes near they smack it 80 yards up the pitch. No need for wannabe wingers. In front of the centre backs we have a tall defensive shield who is good in the air and makes an extra centre back when needed. We then have a water carrier who operates slightly further forwards but should not go much beyond the centre circle. The job of both players is to break up opposition attacks - nothing more. They could go 90 mins and barely touch the ball and yet have outstanding games. We have 4 offensive players - as many as most clubs and we are the best team in the Prem at setplays. No need to change - just bring in bigger, stronger, faster, fitter players to enhance our system. The most depressing post of this and any other year I can remember.
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