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Post by amancalledhorse on Oct 5, 2011 12:33:27 GMT
OR.... Maybe he was referring to the fact that there is a huge Mosque with a massive golden dome right next door to Molineaux and he simply used that to make (what he thought) was an amusing comment on how to finish off the ground improvements. It's funny how the 'racist undertones' can always be found by those determined to find them. It's a fair point. It's not like he has form for posting other racist content. |
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Post by sotexile on Oct 5, 2011 12:39:58 GMT
OR.... Maybe he was referring to the fact that there is a huge Mosque with a massive golden dome right next door to Molineaux and he simply used that to make (what he thought) was an amusing comment on how to finish off the ground improvements. It's funny how the 'racist undertones' can always be found by those determined to find them. I have never been determined to find racist undertones in anything and I would like to know how you have developed the opinion that I am? The comment generalises Muslims as people pray all the time, want to turn every building into a mosque and would otherwise not go to a football stadium. I'm sure it's not his fault that he can't see that comments of this nature are insensitive; unfortunately lots of people from our area still think it's ok to be casually prejudicial towards other cultures. |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Oct 5, 2011 13:01:05 GMT
OR.... Maybe he was referring to the fact that there is a huge Mosque with a massive golden dome right next door to Molineaux and he simply used that to make (what he thought) was an amusing comment on how to finish off the ground improvements. It's funny how the 'racist undertones' can always be found by those determined to find them. I have never been determined to find racist undertones in anything and I would like to know how you have developed the opinion that I am? The comment generalises Muslims as people pray all the time, want to turn every building into a mosque and would otherwise not go to a football stadium. I'm sure it's not his fault that he can't see that comments of this nature are insensitive; unfortunately lots of people from our area still think it's ok to be casually prejudicial towards other cultures. Are you suggesting that followers of the Muslim faith DON'T pray a lot each day? Is there NOT a huge Mosque with a big golden dome outside Molineaux? How the hell can you claim to not look for the racism in people's comments and yet then go on to tell me just what the poster MEANT by his words. How the hell do you know what he meant? You are simply reading things that he didn't either say or imply. Nowhere did he say, or imply, that Muslims wouldn't attend a football match unless the stadium was built like a mosque NOR did he say or imply that they wished to build mosques all over the place but that's what you read because you add your own slant. He simply made a joke (not a very funny one admittedly) about where Molineaux is situated and the fact that there is indeed a mosque that looks much like the building he described, very close to the stadium. I'm sick of people telling me (and everyone else) how bloody insensitive we are when we are amongst the most tollerant, abused and exploited society on the planet. I've mentioned earlier how tollerant our society is expected to be whilst those of other faiths abuse our fallen dead and their families but I suppose that is what we have to put up with in a tollerant and unpredjudiced society.  I'm sure Muslim countries would be just as tollerant with British people who did the same. Now THAT was a joke. |
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Post by ladyinred on Oct 5, 2011 13:26:56 GMT
Come on then Mary. Break my post down and point out where it is racist. ??? I'll explain it Stafford. Your joke was intended as a jibe at Wolves. The jibe was that the area has a lot of muslims. The implication being that it is undesirable to live in an area where there are a lot of muslims and/or mosques.That's the racist undertone. Hmmm, I get the fact that the 'joke' was alluding to a high Muslim/mosque count in Wolverhampton - but I don't see how the poster was 'implying and undesirable area'. People read between the lines differently, not saying you are wrong, just that I didn't pick that up from the 'joke'. Some people are more easily offended than others, and some people would say that to consider an area with a high muslim population 'undesirable' is a racist opinion. |
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Post by amancalledhorse on Oct 5, 2011 13:34:14 GMT
I'll explain it Stafford. Your joke was intended as a jibe at Wolves. The jibe was that the area has a lot of muslims. The implication being that it is undesirable to live in an area where there are a lot of muslims and/or mosques.That's the racist undertone. Hmmm, I get the fact that the 'joke' was alluding to a high Muslim/mosque count in Wolverhampton - but I don't see how the poster was 'implying and undesirable area'. People read between the lines differently, not saying you are wrong, just that I didn't pick that up from the 'joke'. Some people are more easily offended than others, and some people would say that to consider an area with a high muslim population 'undesirable' is a racist opinion. You must have missed the general 'pack 'em up and ship 'em off' tone from his last 7,500 posts. |
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Post by dexter97 on Oct 5, 2011 13:43:48 GMT
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Post by steventweed on Oct 5, 2011 13:46:45 GMT
Hmmm, I get the fact that the 'joke' was alluding to a high Muslim/mosque count in Wolverhampton - but I don't see how the poster was 'implying and undesirable area'. People read between the lines differently, not saying you are wrong, just that I didn't pick that up from the 'joke'. Some people are more easily offended than others, and some people would say that to consider an area with a high muslim population 'undesirable' is a racist opinion. You must have missed the general 'pack 'em up and ship 'em off' tone from his last 7,500 posts. I like the way everyone that calls him up on his comments is deemed as some kind of granola munching, sandle wearing, Guardian reading, "won't someone please think of the children!" tree hugging, canvas bag carrying, Waitrose shopping lefty cuntbag. He's the Adrian Littlejohn of the Oatcake ;D |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Oct 5, 2011 13:59:49 GMT
Amancalledhorse: Clearly mate you have the advantage on me since I have no idea what Stafford Stokie has posted in the past but the comments he made on this thread hardly warrant the racist tag. I am 100% for equality of race, colour, gender, religion or any other personal group or individual. I do though get tired of every little comment getting labled racist or 'insensitive'. As a nation we are incredibly tollerent IMO and we do little or nothing to tackle those who are intollerant of our lifestyle. As I made reference to earlier, what did we do about those who protested in Wooton Bassett and booed our fallen dead as their families suffered? Absolutely nothing! And yet, some comment about Wolverhampton and it's mosques is considered INSENSITIVE.
Sorry mate but it's just crackers.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Oct 5, 2011 14:00:57 GMT
OR.... Maybe he was referring to the fact that there is a huge Mosque with a massive golden dome right next door to Molineaux and he simply used that to make (what he thought) was an amusing comment on how to finish off the ground improvements. It's funny how the 'racist undertones' can always be found by those determined to find them. That is more or less it mate but I suppose I should have known better on here. To many happy clappers looking to be whiter than the next one. God forbid you have your own mind or opinion.  Let them think what they want as long as it helps them sleep tight. |
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Post by amancalledhorse on Oct 5, 2011 14:13:56 GMT
Re: the 'SS obviously racist issue': He had a thread pulled off the GDB, the general gist of which was "If they don't like it, they can fuck off to their own country" and "all citizens MUST swear allegience to the Queen and St George cross". Personally, I'd be off. To where, I have no idea.
So not to allow the race hate apologists opportunity to claim 'they' means the French, it was quite obvious that those who had Islamic/Arab heritage were the target of the diatribe.
If you think 'we' as a nation have done little to tackle those intolerant to our lifestyle, would you count entering Afghanistan to remove the Taliban and installing a puppet government in that?
Those picketing funerals are a small minority and are a reaction to strained race relations in this country, our foreign policy and the human capacity for stupidity.
It's sad that I have to add as a footnote in this mongy ampitheatre, that I obviously don't condone their actions.
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Post by amancalledhorse on Oct 5, 2011 14:16:15 GMT
Big fan of you suggesting freedom of opinion while previous posts have suggested that those that don't meet your criteria for Britishness should be carted off.
Bravo!
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Post by Pricey on Oct 5, 2011 14:21:43 GMT
"They'll never fill that - their highest attendance so far this season is 26,500"
Errr....isn't that their reduced capacity?
What Roy Cropper said...looks like Wolves have gone for a Dortmund-style beast of a home end.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Oct 5, 2011 14:22:14 GMT
Re: the 'SS obviously racist issue': He had a thread pulled off the GDB, the general gist of which was "If they don't like it, they can fuck off to their own country" and "all citizens MUST swear allegience to the Queen and St George cross". Personally, I'd be off. To where, I have no idea. So not to allow the race hate apologists opportunity to claim 'they' means the French, it was quite obvious that those who had Islamic/Arab heritage were the target of the diatribe. If you think 'we' as a nation have done little to tackle those intolerant to our lifestyle, would you count entering Afghanistan to remove the Taliban and installing a puppet government in that? Those picketing funerals are a small minority and are a reaction to strained race relations in this country, our foreign policy and the human capacity for stupidity. It's sad that I have to add as a footnote in this mongy ampitheatre, that I obviously don't condone their actions. The gist of what I said was and still is that if they want to practice their faith to the extreme i.e. burning poppy's and protesting against our troops then they can do one. We live by our laws and so should they. Muslims or anyone else for that matter that wants to integrate and live a peaceful life along side everyone else I have no problem with. The faith/religion they follow doesn't bother me. When it becomes extreme and affects others then it does bother me. Sorry if my opinion offends you but then again I don't really care a shit! |
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Post by ladyinred on Oct 5, 2011 14:25:39 GMT
Hmmm, I get the fact that the 'joke' was alluding to a high Muslim/mosque count in Wolverhampton - but I don't see how the poster was 'implying and undesirable area'. People read between the lines differently, not saying you are wrong, just that I didn't pick that up from the 'joke'. Some people are more easily offended than others, and some people would say that to consider an area with a high muslim population 'undesirable' is a racist opinion. You must have missed the general 'pack 'em up and ship 'em off' tone from his last 7,500 posts. Well yes, I very rarely pay much attention to usernames. I read 2 comments in isolation, 1 - a 'not funny joke' alluding to the high number of muslims/mosques in Wolves - I didn't find it offensive and wouldn't find it offensive if a similar statement was made about making something look like a church in a christian populated area. 2 - describing an area with a high muslim population as 'undesirable' - I can certainly see this as offensive and would find somebody describing the area in which I live as undesirable. So I don't know anything about the person that posted the original 'joke', I was merely commenting on a section of a post criticising aforementioned 'joke' - that to me appeared offensive. |
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Oct 5, 2011 14:30:45 GMT
You must have missed the general 'pack 'em up and ship 'em off' tone from his last 7,500 posts. Well yes, I very rarely pay much attention to usernames. I read 2 comments in isolation, 1 - a 'not funny joke' alluding to the high number of muslims/mosques in Wolves - I didn't find it offensive and wouldn't find it offensive if a similar statement was made about making something look like a church in a christian populated area. 2 - describing an area with a high muslim population as 'undesirable' - I can certainly see this as offensive and would find somebody describing the area in which I live as undesirable. So I don't know anything about the person that posted the original 'joke', I was merely commenting on a section of a post criticising aforementioned 'joke' - that to me appeared offensive. I find Wolverhampton an undesirable place because it is full of wolves fans. I meant no malice or racism in the original post but hey ho some people just love a drama. I think this should get back on the original theme now. |
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Post by ladyinred on Oct 5, 2011 14:35:11 GMT
SS - The post that appeared racist IMHO - a very SUBJECTIVE OPINION, was not yours.
I didn't find your 'joke' offensive at all.
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Post by starkiller on Oct 5, 2011 14:47:17 GMT
Jesus Christ! OOps! Am I still allowed to say that in this country? Talk about sensitive. I don't know if you're a Muslim or not Foxy (I suspect not) but why are you arbitrarily deciding what is or isn't offensive to them? In a country where Muslims are allowed to (unhindered) disrupt Christian burials of British soldiers that have been killed whilst serving their country and to BOO their coffins in the street whilst their distraught reletives have to stand by and ACCEPT it....... I would have thought Stafford's comments were well within the bounds of acceptability. OR are there two different rules to be applied here? Should read "killed whilst invading and bringing with it havoc and bloodshed to another sovereign country that has fuck all to do with us." |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Oct 5, 2011 14:48:30 GMT
Re: the 'SS obviously racist issue': He had a thread pulled off the GDB, the general gist of which was "If they don't like it, they can fuck off to their own country" and "all citizens MUST swear allegience to the Queen and St George cross". Personally, I'd be off. To where, I have no idea. So not to allow the race hate apologists opportunity to claim 'they' means the French, it was quite obvious that those who had Islamic/Arab heritage were the target of the diatribe. If you think 'we' as a nation have done little to tackle those intolerant to our lifestyle, would you count entering Afghanistan to remove the Taliban and installing a puppet government in that? Those picketing funerals are a small minority and are a reaction to strained race relations in this country, our foreign policy and the human capacity for stupidity. It's sad that I have to add as a footnote in this mongy ampitheatre, that I obviously don't condone their actions. I agree that the thread should get back to it's original theme but have to just counter some of the above. We entered Afgahnistan largely on the coat-tails of the Americans in reaction to a terrorist attrocity that cost thousands of innocent people's lives. There has since been a further major attrocity on our own soil as well as several failed attempts. I fully accept that these were perpetrated by an extremist minority and I hold no predjudice against anyone of the Muslim faith who simply wants to practice their faith, observe the laws of the country they inhabit, and show the same level of tolerance and respect that I am happy to extend to them. Most do just that and they have my full respect. However I certainly DO think that we do next to nothing to tackle situations like Wootton Bassett where we openly allow racist, insensitive and totally unacceptable behaviour to go unpunished. If it were the other way around we both know that it would not be tolerated for a second. There is an absolute reluctance and fear in this country to make any kind of statement or take any action that might leave us open to the slightest criticism from ethnic minoroties - and we all know it. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 5, 2011 14:50:33 GMT
OR.... Maybe he was referring to the fact that there is a huge Mosque with a massive golden dome right next door to Molineaux and he simply used that to make (what he thought) was an amusing comment on how to finish off the ground improvements. It's funny how the 'racist undertones' can always be found by those determined to find them. That is more or less it mate but I suppose I should have known better on here. To many happy clappers looking to be whiter than the next one. God forbid you have your own mind or opinion. Let them think what they want as long as it helps them sleep tight. If thats the way you think of me and others on here then thats fine. My original point was that I said you'd made a racist jibe which was cheap and unfunny. Certainly not excessively racist but, to me, it was racist. I can't be bothered to trawl your most recent posts but I have a feeling that you were calling people "happy clappers" for suggesting that a bloke was wrong to tell a woman to "shut the fuck up" in front of his kids. Clearly your idea of what is socially acceptable is different to me. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 5, 2011 14:55:40 GMT
Jesus Christ! OOps! Am I still allowed to say that in this country? Talk about sensitive. I don't know if you're a Muslim or not Foxy (I suspect not) but why are you arbitrarily deciding what is or isn't offensive to them? In a country where Muslims are allowed to (unhindered) disrupt Christian burials of British soldiers that have been killed whilst serving their country and to BOO their coffins in the street whilst their distraught reletives have to stand by and ACCEPT it....... I would have thought Stafford's comments were well within the bounds of acceptability. OR are there two different rules to be applied here? I'm not Muslim and I don't claim to speak for them. I am saying that from my point of view I found his comment had racist undertones which I don't like. Racism in any form pisses me off. Re. your points regarding Muslim protests at funerals - of course I don't agree with that but nor do I agree that the right way to respond is with cheap, petty jibes which is what you appear to be suggesting. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 5, 2011 15:00:07 GMT
You must have missed the general 'pack 'em up and ship 'em off' tone from his last 7,500 posts. I like the way everyone that calls him up on his comments is deemed as some kind of granola munching, sandle wearing, Guardian reading, "won't someone please think of the children!" tree hugging, canvas bag carrying, Waitrose shopping lefty cuntbag. He's the Adrian Littlejohn of the Oatcake ;D  |
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Post by burtonstokie on Oct 5, 2011 15:14:46 GMT
"They'll never fill that - their highest attendance so far this season is 26,500" Errr....isn't that their reduced capacity? What Roy Cropper said...looks like Wolves have gone for a Dortmund-style beast of a home end. So are Wolves having their home end in the new stand and moving from the traditional home end at the other end? |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Oct 5, 2011 15:14:54 GMT
Re: the 'SS obviously racist issue': He had a thread pulled off the GDB, the general gist of which was "If they don't like it, they can fuck off to their own country" and "all citizens MUST swear allegience to the Queen and St George cross". Personally, I'd be off. To where, I have no idea. So not to allow the race hate apologists opportunity to claim 'they' means the French, it was quite obvious that those who had Islamic/Arab heritage were the target of the diatribe. If you think 'we' as a nation have done little to tackle those intolerant to our lifestyle, would you count entering Afghanistan to remove the Taliban and installing a puppet government in that? Those picketing funerals are a small minority and are a reaction to strained race relations in this country, our foreign policy and the human capacity for stupidity. It's sad that I have to add as a footnote in this mongy ampitheatre, that I obviously don't condone their actions. I agree that the thread should get back to it's original theme but have to just counter some of the above. We entered Afgahnistan largely on the coat-tails of the Americans in reaction to a terrorist attrocity that cost thousands of innocent people's lives. There has since been a further major attrocity on our own soil as well as several failed attempts. I fully accept that these were perpetrated by an extremist minority and I hold no predjudice against anyone of the Muslim faith who simply wants to practice their faith, observe the laws of the country they inhabit, and show the same level of tolerance and respect that I am happy to extend to them. Most do just that and they have my full respect. However I certainly DO think that we do next to nothing to tackle situations like Wootton Bassett where we openly allow racist, insensitive and totally unacceptable behaviour to go unpunished. If it were the other way around we both know that it would not be tolerated for a second. There is an absolute reluctance and fear in this country to make any kind of statement or take any action that might leave us open to the slightest criticism from ethnic minoroties - and we all know it. Absolutely spot on! Within this country we are constantly running scared of offending people. Personally, I don't see the difference between a racially motivated attack and a group of people attacking someone because they have ginger hair. They're both equally wrong attacks, but for some reason very few agree with me, and much, much more would be made of the racial attack. Only if it was an Asian being attacked, of course. |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Oct 5, 2011 15:33:19 GMT
Jesus Christ! OOps! Am I still allowed to say that in this country? Talk about sensitive. I don't know if you're a Muslim or not Foxy (I suspect not) but why are you arbitrarily deciding what is or isn't offensive to them? In a country where Muslims are allowed to (unhindered) disrupt Christian burials of British soldiers that have been killed whilst serving their country and to BOO their coffins in the street whilst their distraught reletives have to stand by and ACCEPT it....... I would have thought Stafford's comments were well within the bounds of acceptability. OR are there two different rules to be applied here? I'm not Muslim and I don't claim to speak for them. I am saying that from my point of view I found his comment had racist undertones which I don't like. Racism in any form pisses me off. Re. your points regarding Muslim protests at funerals - of course I don't agree with that but nor do I agree that the right way to respond is with cheap, petty jibes which is what you appear to be suggesting. Come on Foxy, of course I'm not suggesting we respond to the serious racism aimed at British society with cheap, petty jibes (and you know I'm not). The point I'm making is that, within this tolerant, inclusive society that we inhabit, blatant racism, prejudice and insensitivity can go totally unpunished (as long as it's Muslim to none-Muslim) but every little comment about prayer mats and mosques is leapt upon as insensitive and racist. There is no BALANCE. The protection, tolerance and sensitivity is demanded in one direction but ignored in the other direction and everyone KNOWS it but is afraid to say it. Anyway we won't agree so let's just leave it there. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 5, 2011 15:38:04 GMT
I'm not Muslim and I don't claim to speak for them. I am saying that from my point of view I found his comment had racist undertones which I don't like. Racism in any form pisses me off. Re. your points regarding Muslim protests at funerals - of course I don't agree with that but nor do I agree that the right way to respond is with cheap, petty jibes which is what you appear to be suggesting. Come on Foxy, of course I'm not suggesting we respond to the serious racism aimed at British society with cheap, petty jibes (and you know I'm not). The point I'm making is that, within this tolerant, inclusive society that we inhabit, blatant racism, prejudice and insensitivity can go totally unpunished (as long as it's Muslim to none-Muslim) but every little comment about prayer mats and mosques is leapt upon as insensitive and racist. There is no BALANCE. The protection, tolerance and sensitivity is demanded in one direction but ignored in the other direction and everyone KNOWS it but is afraid to say it. Anyway we won't agree so let's just leave it there. Fair enough mate and I agree that balance is a problem. To be fair I don't think the original comment was overtly racist and maybe I should have just let it go. Just in one of them moods I guess!!!! Anyway on topic.....if Wolves can get 30,000 plus crowds on a regular basis I'm a Muslim |
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Post by ColonelMustard on Oct 5, 2011 15:45:45 GMT
Neither racist nor funny, so just an observation of the local demographic.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Oct 5, 2011 15:47:42 GMT
Please don't get me wrong Foxy, I'm 100% (inclusive) in my views but get a bit riled when the balance seems a little loaded in one direction at times. There are some insensitive and racist elements for sure in our society (on all sides) and I have nothing but contempt for them. Sadly we appear to have high-jacked the thread and apolgies to all for that.
Wolves could get 30,000 + for some games (as we would) but they'd struggle to regularly get much more than that. I think we would too to be fair.
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 5, 2011 15:52:28 GMT
Please don't get me wrong Foxy, I'm 100% (inclusive) in my views but get a bit riled when the balance seems a little loaded in one direction at times. There are some insensitive and racist elements for sure in our society (on all sides) and I have nothing but contempt for them. Sadly we appear to have high-jacked the thread and apolgies to all for that. Wolves could get 30,000 + for some games (as we would) but they'd struggle to regularly get much more than that. I think we would too to be fair. I get what you're saying and you're right re. hijacking the thread. I also agree that 30,000 is currently the upper limit of what us, Wolves, WBA and Brum would be looking at as average crowds. Other than Villa I think thats the max for nearly all midlands clubs. |
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Post by shep207 on Oct 5, 2011 16:30:37 GMT
I agree that the thread should get back to it's original theme but have to just counter some of the above. We entered Afgahnistan largely on the coat-tails of the Americans in reaction to a terrorist attrocity that cost thousands of innocent people's lives. There has since been a further major attrocity on our own soil as well as several failed attempts. I fully accept that these were perpetrated by an extremist minority and I hold no predjudice against anyone of the Muslim faith who simply wants to practice their faith, observe the laws of the country they inhabit, and show the same level of tolerance and respect that I am happy to extend to them. Most do just that and they have my full respect. However I certainly DO think that we do next to nothing to tackle situations like Wootton Bassett where we openly allow racist, insensitive and totally unacceptable behaviour to go unpunished. If it were the other way around we both know that it would not be tolerated for a second. There is an absolute reluctance and fear in this country to make any kind of statement or take any action that might leave us open to the slightest criticism from ethnic minoroties - and we all know it. Absolutely spot on! Within this country we are constantly running scared of offending people. Personally, I don't see the difference between a racially motivated attack and a group of people attacking someone because they have ginger hair. They're both equally wrong attacks, but for some reason very few agree with me, and much, much more would be made of the racial attack. Only if it was an Asian being attacked, of course. You hear more about racial attacks because I don't think many people get attacked for having ginger hair... There are plenty of stories in the news about attacks that have nothing to do with race. |
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Post by rhodesy on Oct 5, 2011 16:59:47 GMT
To me it depends how much it would cost to fill in a corner, if it's financially viable. Do it!
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I'm sure Muslim countries would be just as tollerant with British people who did the same.
