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Post by starkiller on Feb 3, 2011 17:53:46 GMT
No point being in the Premier League if we are not going to have a go at top teams.
Let's not forget that last night we were playing a team who we could have gone above if we'd have won. There is simply no excuse to raise the white flag before kick-off.
These are the games we are in the Premier League for, for feck's sake.
They are not "bonus" games as we keep being led to believe. Bonus POINTS maybe, but NOT bonus games.
If we are not going to have a go, we may as well be battling it out against Leicester, Notts Forest and Leeds.
Crawley will have more of a go at Man Ure than we did last night.
I'm still struggling to get over our surrender show at Anfield last season for the same thing to happen again.
Had we have lost 3-0 and had a go, I'd be far happier than I am with that 2-0 loss last night.
But, do you know what, I don't think we would have.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2011 17:56:27 GMT
No point being in the Premier League if we are not going to have a go at top teams. Let's not forget that last night we were playing a team who we could have gone above if we'd have won. There is simply no excuse to raise the white flag before kick-off. These are the games we are in the Premier League for, for feck's sake. They are not "bonus" games as we keep being led to believe. Bonus POINTS maybe, but NOT bonus games. If we are not going to have a go, we may as well be battling it out against Leicester, Notts Forest and Leeds. Crawley will have more of a go at Man Ure than we did last night. I'm still struggling to get over our surrender show at Anfield last season for the same thing to happen again. Had we have lost 3-0 and had a go, I'd be far happier than I am with that 2-0 loss last night. But, do you know what, I don't think we would have. No nor do I, i think we could have got a result there, one things for sure it would have been far more exciting than that crap we watched.
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Post by greyowl on Feb 3, 2011 19:03:31 GMT
To all those who state that its a 'Pulis " out thread, its not, we have been subjected to the negative team selection for some time now, we went to Blackburn last season, a boring 0-0 draw, and it was obvious by the team selection and total ineptitude of the team that day, was that the first order was 'Not to lose' in a game with a little more effort we could have won, and won easily. We like premier football, the operative word being football, we are season ticket holders and will more than likely renew this year, and before I get slated I remember standing on the Boothan End before Matthews came back when we played Huddersfield Town, and the ground was virtually empty. So we have history but we are also entitled to witness attempts to win the game, see the best team on the park, and try to win, not to defend for the best part of the game hoping to snatch a result with the introduction of super-sub in the last few minutes, that can only happen in the short term. We pays our money and we are entitled to comment if we don't like what we see. I have never liked Pulis because he is and always be a defensive minded Manager, but credit where it's due he got us into the Premier and he intends to keep us there, but surely we are also entitled to expect some football, not only the supporters but also the pundits, media, etc have described our style as woeful, are we in a position wherbye all the critics are wrong, the majority of supporters wrong, and also the media are wrong. In reply to an earlier entry he does need to be taken on one side and the discontentment explained to him, whilst it can be rectified and before the trickle of discontentment turns into a torrent of abuse and demonstrations, because make no bones about if we get relegated with this squad of players playing like they are it will be very difficult to get promoted again. So No its not about Pulis out its about Pulis change.
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Post by elystokie on Feb 3, 2011 19:12:34 GMT
To all those who state that its a 'Pulis " out thread, its not, we have been subjected to the negative team selection for some time now, we went to Blackburn last season, a boring 0-0 draw, and it was obvious by the team selection and total ineptitude of the team that day, was that the first order was 'Not to lose' in a game with a little more effort we could have won, and won easily. We like premier football, the operative word being football, we are season ticket holders and will more than likely renew this year, and before I get slated I remember standing on the Boothan End before Matthews came back when we played Huddersfield Town, and the ground was virtually empty. So we have history but we are also entitled to witness attempts to win the game, see the best team on the park, and try to win, not to defend for the best part of the game hoping to snatch a result with the introduction of super-sub in the last few minutes, that can only happen in the short term. We pays our money and we are entitled to comment if we don't like what we see. I have never liked Pulis because he is and always be a defensive minded Manager, but credit where it's due he got us into the Premier and he intends to keep us there, but surely we are also entitled to expect some football, not only the supporters but also the pundits, media, etc have described our style as woeful, are we in a position wherbye all the critics are wrong, the majority of supporters wrong, and also the media are wrong. In reply to an earlier entry he does need to be taken on one side and the discontentment explained to him, whilst it can be rectified and before the trickle of discontentment turns into a torrent of abuse and demonstrations, because make no bones about if we get relegated with this squad of players playing like they are it will be very difficult to get promoted again. So No its not about Pulis out its about Pulis change. Haven't seen your first post mate, but for a second one that's a cracker. Spot on.
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Post by bettsy on Feb 3, 2011 20:01:45 GMT
ive always hated our style of play, nobody who likes watching football can seriously say we are even half decent, ive witnessed some of the worst football EVER IN THE PREMIERSHIP under pulis and we deserve the stick we get to be fair. However, i don't want him sacked or even leave for this season at least but if he doesn't start picking the best 11 and having a go at other teams then i'm perfectly happy for him to go before next season. Lets see what the rest of the season brings fellas
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Post by Onneravineet on Feb 3, 2011 20:09:24 GMT
I have to say, for the first time, I have had enough of TP and his stubborn attitude. However I'll take him at his word and wait until season 4! If he can't evolve and do it, then he hasn't got it in him and he needs to realise that.
I'm proud to be direct and hard but fair but I'm pig sick of the 'park the bus mentality', never give it a go way we play.
One worry is that due to the media mud slinging and such, that surrounds the written opinion of Stoke City, I have to worry if we'll ever attract the players we need to move on.
I'll wait and support as normal but I'm waiting for him to do what he says and evolve. The fans won't blindly follow forever.
For example will Wilson really get the opportunity to develop his potential? We replaced him with Fuller the other night rather than taking Deano off!
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Post by y2j on Feb 3, 2011 20:12:27 GMT
It would be madness to get rid of him now, and even the biggest Pulis hater must see that? I can't pretend to be his biggest fan, as I don't think he can take us to the next level, but he deserves the chance because he has done an unbelievable job and I think it's easy to forget that! Just remember that feeling when we realised we were promoted? Gees, I don't think I could ever forget that, it was unreal, and well I don't think that means he has a divine right to keep the job for life or to bum on about it for years on end, but I think he deserves the chance to rebuild in the Summer (as we go past the 3-year plan) to see where we go? If next Season we haven't got better quality in, or improved the way we play then fair do's it would be time for a change.
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Post by y2j on Feb 3, 2011 20:13:46 GMT
Bloody hell mate, I posted the same time as you and we both have said pretty muich the same!! ;D Great minds eh??!?! I have to say, for the first time, I have had enough of TP and his stubborn attitude. However I'll take him at his word and wait until season 4! If he can't evolve and do it, then he hasn't got it in him and he needs to realise that. I'm proud to be direct and hard but fair but I'm pig sick of the 'park the bus mentality', never give it a go way we play. One worry is that due to the media mud slinging and such, that surrounds the written opinion of Stoke City, I have to worry if we'll ever attract the players we need to move on. I'll wait and support as normal but I'm waiting for him to do what he says and evolve. The fans won't blindly follow forever. For example will Wilson really get the opportunity to develop his potential? We replaced him with Fuller the other night rather than taking Deano off!
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Post by Onneravineet on Feb 3, 2011 20:16:19 GMT
![:o](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/7TTgAtwUz19SBi0cvrCX.gif) y2j You aren't these voices in my head are you ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif)
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Post by philstoke on Feb 3, 2011 20:16:51 GMT
Hmm.......... I think there's a few on here need a reality check here in Stoke
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Post by sirgreenhoff on Feb 3, 2011 20:22:21 GMT
Lets start playing football like Wolves & West Brazil. Have a go and be damned. Up & down the league likes a whores draws. No thanks. I'm as happy as a pig in crap with where we are now. Do we play atractive football -------- yes ----------- you tell me who looked the better side last night in the first half. WE were playing the ball around better than the so called top 4 side, the mighty Liverpool. I agree that the team selection last night was a bit strange, but Tony's the manager and I trust him. Was Matty carrying an injury ? Kenwyne hasn't been firing on all cylinders and needs a rest. For God's sake we're playing in the best league in the WORLD. It's our 3rd season back. HAVE patience, it's all coming together !!
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Post by y2j on Feb 3, 2011 20:28:37 GMT
No wonder you keep having those dodgy dreams!! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/7TTgAtwUz19SBi0cvrCX.gif) y2j You aren't these voices in my head are you ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif)
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Post by y2j on Feb 3, 2011 20:31:46 GMT
Greenhoff, are you being serious? We didnt play any good football last night? Even if you are Tone himself, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't admit that (welk in his own head anyway). I agree with you ref WBA, we know they don't like the Winter hence them dropping down the league. Wolves play similar to us don't they? Maybe not as direct. Lets start playing football like Wolves & West Brazil. Have a go and be damned. Up & down the league likes a whores draws. No thanks. I'm as happy as a pig in crap with where we are now. Do we play atractive football -------- yes ----------- you tell me who looked the better side last night in the first half. WE were playing the ball around better than the so called top 4 side, the mighty Liverpool. I agree that the team selection last night was a bit strange, but Tony's the manager and I trust him. Was Matty carrying an injury ? Kenwyne hasn't been firing on all cylinders and needs a rest. For God's sake we're playing in the best league in the WORLD. It's our 3rd season back. HAVE patience, it's all coming together !!
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Post by tony harrison on Feb 3, 2011 20:33:53 GMT
Can't stand his negative team selections and the way the team appear to not want to keep the ball and are shit scared of putting a few passes together.
I started to watch Stoke many years ago when Waddington was manager and have always enjoyed watching a team who can control the ball, defend well, play through midfield and create chances from open play.
With Pulis this is not part of his game. We need a change of style and someone who can move us on to the next level. Haven't got a clue who this could be but there must be somebody who can bring football back to Stoke City.
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Post by jazzy on Feb 3, 2011 20:34:53 GMT
I am a TP lover and proud !
TP has got us to where we are and i will be eternally gratefull !
BUT
I have to admit his team selection and negative tatics are well and truely wearing thin !
I dont mind losing if we have had a go and played positive football . But playing like we did last night and against the big boys , is shambolic and embarassing !!
The team is slowly evolving into a decent side which can play when they want to OR more to the point allowed to !
But playing players out of position winds me up just as much !
diao is totally out of his league as is faye , walters .
i personnally slate collins but im beginning to feel sorry for the lad , he is not a left back and the fault has to lie with pulis . Huth was exposed at right back too , but in the centre he is by far our consistent player !
come on pulis , sort it out !!
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Post by spangle on Feb 3, 2011 20:51:05 GMT
Ive had enough, how many goals have we scored first half this season? every f*****g game the same, spoil the match for 60 minutes, bring a couple of flair players on and try to nick a 1-0 win, given my season ticket away this week, off to a Northern Soul weekender for a bit of entertainment.
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Post by herkbloke on Feb 3, 2011 20:54:15 GMT
Greenoff, fair enough but I take exception to the fact that KJ needs a rest. He doesn't, for he has 1 fucking big one every time he crosses the white line. What he needs is a rocket up his hoop then allowed to play his game to his abilities. He ain't the elusive Mama with goals and he ain't anything like a target man.
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Post by sirgreenhoff on Feb 3, 2011 20:55:13 GMT
I have to admit I was watching the game last night through the bottom of a pint of Bass ! I did see us string a few decent passes together........ honest ! I'd love to see us playing like Man Ure or Chelski, but that just aint gonna happen! A lot of us have been watching the Mighty Potters for a long long time. We've seen some real dross over the years & some of it not that long ago. We are progressing but slowly. I'll gladly take a few more years in the Prem' & then lets see how we are progressing. Greenhoff, are you being serious? We didnt play any good football last night? Even if you are Tone himself, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't admit that (welk in his own head anyway). I agree with you ref WBA, we know they don't like the Winter hence them dropping down the league. Wolves play similar to us don't they? Maybe not as direct. Lets start playing football like Wolves & West Brazil. Have a go and be damned. Up & down the league likes a whores draws. No thanks. I'm as happy as a pig in crap with where we are now. Do we play atractive football -------- yes ----------- you tell me who looked the better side last night in the first half. WE were playing the ball around better than the so called top 4 side, the mighty Liverpool. I agree that the team selection last night was a bit strange, but Tony's the manager and I trust him. Was Matty carrying an injury ? Kenwyne hasn't been firing on all cylinders and needs a rest. For God's sake we're playing in the best league in the WORLD. It's our 3rd season back. HAVE patience, it's all coming together !!
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Post by lawmanscfc on Feb 3, 2011 21:03:29 GMT
I'm often a keen reader on here but vary rarely post but it is a relief to know that there are so many who are fed up of TP's questionable team selections and backwards tactics.
I, like many, cant knock the bloke for what he has achieved, and the fact we are still in the prem< however I really do think he has taken us as far as he can.
every time it looks like we have turned a corner and start to play some reasonable stuff at home, it as if he panics when we go away from home and is petrified of loosing. i really do think he is so proud of the fact we aint conceded more than 2 in a game.
when we go behind he ALWAYS leaves changes too late and can often make some baffling changes.
we seem to have gone backwards. pennant signs permanently then we see delap back on right hand side. we look like we have a player in wilson who can pass a ball and whitehead is steady> so he plays diao. his loyalty to his "favorites" is shocking.
when reading the official site upon tunny leaving and TPs comments, he almost says to us "dont worry mams back""!!!!ffs!!!
i honestly dont think he trusts his playersaway from home, as displayed by his tactics. im not saying be gung ho away but at least try and play some football.
but most concerning is that we look like a side who will struggle find the net and are liable to giving away some VERY sloppy goals lately, a fact anda worrying one.
win on sat and most will forget the shit we are and still will have to endure, but i for one wish tp would grow a pair, trust his better players, picke best XI every week if fit and have a bit more faith away from home.
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Post by ProudPotter17 on Feb 3, 2011 21:06:54 GMT
I think I could live with another year of his football 'tatics'.
I'm getting a little fed up of it though.
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Post by boothenendboy on Feb 3, 2011 21:10:50 GMT
never liked the bloke and never will
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Post by etonrifle on Feb 3, 2011 21:11:13 GMT
I love Stoke and always will Ive had enough of the current tactics last night, Liverpool on a high with Dalglish returning, getting beat was almost a certainty so what did Clulis do play a half wank team, leave Carew to run around on his own, leave probably our best player in etheington on the bench, why not FFs go and try and win the game.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Feb 3, 2011 21:11:59 GMT
So about 30 Pulis haters out of ............28,000 at the ground each week and probably another 100,000+ supporters who don't/can't go to each home match. Fuck off you imbecile who started this thread
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Post by Lawto on Feb 3, 2011 21:29:06 GMT
The simple truth is we are not evolving!! Yes we are getting better players, but they are players who will fit into Tones "Precision Bombing" style of play.
We only ever attack with 4 players (two front men, and two wingers). The other 6 "keep their defensive shape".
Pulis out now? Definitely not. But the clock is ticking for me.
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Post by harry on Feb 3, 2011 21:51:28 GMT
lawto,funny that man ure have played that system for years,won them fuck aint it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2011 22:16:15 GMT
I dont always agree with team selection, nor do I like the way we play sometimes. I fail to see what Pulis sees in some players and cant understand why players play out of position. Do I want the guy sacked ? No way. When we went up to the prem he told us of the 3 year plan. We survived the first season, and then the second and although its not been pretty at times I think we will survive the third. So he has been successful and achieved his goals by whatever method he sees fit. My club, who I have followed since the early 70`s, are now competing in the best league in the world. For that I am grateful. The manager, chairman and Stoke City FC have accomplished phase one. Next year should see the next phase of the plan. When that plan is unveiled to us we can then watch the clubs progress with renewed interest and judge the manager and staff accordingly. The next phase may release a new wage structure, enabling us to sign and pay higher quality players. Players who can compete against clubs at the top of the table and drive the club forward. Who knows what the next phase is until the chairman and manager let us know ? Love him or hate him, Pulis has undoubtedly been a success as our leader and achieved exactly what he set out to do. You do not sack people for doing that you back them and get behind them and hope they have the same success during the next phase, if they dont succeed then, then thats a different story. Its not been the transfer window we wanted and performances havent been great lately but sometimes building solidly is a case of two steps forward and one back, its progress, slow, but solid progress all the same. Im not pro or anti Pulis, Im Stoke through and through and I for one am happy to be where we are now. Look back three years and weve come a long way. Lets look with hope and optimism to the next three seasons and see where it takes us. Only then can we judge the manager. Our boys need us at the Brit on Saturday. Get behind them, whoever pulls on a Stoke shirt, get behind them.Together, we are Stoke. Only together can we succeed.
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Post by stokelad84 on Feb 3, 2011 22:33:54 GMT
Fuckin hell, people still moaning ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/cj7bsBj2jOTuEAUVaPt5.gif)
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Post by johnnypotter on Feb 3, 2011 22:37:19 GMT
I never want to see anyone lose their job, but i have a concern for the future. It's going to be difficult to attract flair players when they see what happened to Tunny and Eider. I want be constructive about it, but we can't simply always rely on brute strength, we need a bit of guile, especially in midfield. Whatever happens though, I will support Stoke City, nothing can change that.
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Post by stokelad84 on Feb 3, 2011 22:39:04 GMT
Why are you concerned for the future johnny? Players are attracted by £££
While we are in the Premier League, we will have plenty of £££
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Post by bunnyscfc on Feb 3, 2011 22:43:02 GMT
yup, we've certainly attracted some sh** players with all this £££.
And now we can't get rid whilst Wolves and Bolton loan players who would massively improve our team.
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