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Post by Parksy on Feb 2, 2011 22:44:11 GMT
I have come back on the oatcake to see that things havent improved. Reading some of these posts i get the feeling that some would actually like Stoke to lose on Saturday so they can carry with the abuse. Do you actually think for one minute that Peter Coates is going to sack Tony Pulis, someone who he personally contacted to come back to this club with him and admired him for agreeing to do so. Even more so because of what has been achieved since. I dont think its ever going to happen so stop wishing and start getting behind the players and you might find we are in the top half again on Saturday night Why do you think that because people moan about the manager they don't get behind the team on matchday? I would bet that nearly all of the "wrist-slashers" and "moaners" will be shouting their heads off Saturday for the team. Stoke City Football Club is about ALL of us and just because some of us don't like this particular manager's football philosophy doesn't make us bad supporters. Therein lies the problem that this board has had to endure for a long time, and one that the appointment of TP has driven. Apparently you either love him or hate him (and I'm nor doing the rimmer or PHW thing!) At some point in history you are no longer allowed to have your own opinions on the subject, you are either in one camp or the other whereas it used to be about opinions and a discussion on the same. Don't get me started on the commercialisation of the internet and the dumbing down of technology ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/3zptH1h3SvRnVmRGLyMP.gif)
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 2, 2011 22:44:14 GMT
"I'm racking my brains trying to work out at what point the manager felt the need to regress back to this shit and why?
We were playing some good stuff with TWO proper wingers.
We were potent, effective, lively and dynamic. We weren't high-risk or particularly open at the back.
And now, this.
WHY?"
ruts66, I'm with you. TP seems to be regressing at an alarming pace this season. I certainly don't want to see him go because he has taken us so far forward these last 4 years, but there have been worrying signs these last couple of months that TP has taken us as far as he is capable of.
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Post by eriksson74 on Feb 2, 2011 22:44:32 GMT
Its tough, I was chuffed when he was sacked last time, and gutted when he came back. You can't argue with the fact he has given us premiership football.
But three years and £70m and he is still playing games and taking the piss out of us, the fans. That tonight was a complete disgrace, commented quite well across most of the messages tonight. What gets me most is he is prepared to throw in the towel before a game starts. we have seen it time and time again, yet tonight was the final straw for me.
Pulis has quite clearly played a side and tactics to reign in, what I think, when we play it a good strong side capable of holding our own, to justify his own importance and say be grateful that we are just playing in the premiership.
If Pulis and the coaching staff have done their homework and come to the conclusion that the best way to play Liverpool was that, then they are incompetent or taking the piss. If they are taking the piss then I can only conclude they are playing games yet again with us.
Thanks for the premiership experience TP but time to retire to sandbanks and quaff champers with your best mate floppy chops and leave us to build upon the, acknowledged good work, you have done and adapt and play to our strengths and stop worrying about 20 year old traditions ans history!
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Post by Juan Kerzhoff on Feb 2, 2011 22:44:53 GMT
I do not wear rose tinted glasses and would prefer Brazil style football and be challenging in the top 4. Stop there!!! after 47 years yes years not months I am happy to be mid table in the Premership with an opportunity of seeing even better players arriving in the summer. Wrist slashers I am sure the Vale would value you your support Tin helmet on!! A tad naive to think Pulis will attract better players in the summer but hey ho each to their own i guess.
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Post by stokieforever on Feb 2, 2011 22:45:41 GMT
I'll be there on saturday but I don't want pulis to go. I'm sick to death of this negative shit we are forced to witness though. If we play poorly on Saturday I fear the worst. All I want is to see the best players in there best positions and for us to show some ambition. Spot On +1
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Post by chessyorkshirexile on Feb 2, 2011 22:45:47 GMT
I have had enought of him the first time around. After the Tuncay and Gudhonson experience how will we be able to attract creative players now unless we pay crazy money. He has become a liability.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Feb 2, 2011 22:46:31 GMT
getting rid of TP is not the answer.
Him getting a plan B for £70 million and not bending over for teams away from home, is.
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Post by stokezach85 on Feb 2, 2011 22:47:44 GMT
I do not wear rose tinted glasses and would prefer Brazil style football and be challenging in the top 4. Stop there!!! after 47 years yes years not months I am happy to be mid table in the Premership with an opportunity of seeing even better players arriving in the summer. Wrist slashers I am sure the Vale would value you your support Tin helmet on!! A tad naive to think Pulis will attract better players in the summer but hey ho each to their own i guess. +1 we are never going to attract quality players, the walters and co yes, but not quality we need
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Post by alster on Feb 2, 2011 22:49:40 GMT
If O'Neil would come we should do it ASAP before somebody else grabs him. Pulis' mentality is just all wrong.
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Post by stuammo on Feb 2, 2011 22:50:41 GMT
Think he's taken us as far as he can. He only knows one way to play and we all know that way!!! He'll never change, and for that reason, we'll never attract the kind of player we all want. He's done well to get us here but i think thats as good as it gets with him and its time for a change!!
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Post by Tubes on Feb 2, 2011 22:51:14 GMT
Im actually thinking about going crewe to see some decent football, had enough of this hoofball now, enough is enough, theres only so much us fans can put up with, selling tunc and seeing that performance tonight has put the final nail in the coffin for me. scfcloyalist...oh the irony.
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Post by NG4POTTERS on Feb 2, 2011 22:53:40 GMT
I have come back on the oatcake to see that things havent improved. Reading some of these posts i get the feeling that some would actually like Stoke to lose on Saturday so they can carry with the abuse. Do you actually think for one minute that Peter Coates is going to sack Tony Pulis, someone who he personally contacted to come back to this club with him and admired him for agreeing to do so. Even more so because of what has been achieved since. I dont think its ever going to happen so stop wishing and start getting behind the players and you might find we are in the top half again on Saturday night Why do you think that because people moan about the manager they don't get behind the team on matchday? I would bet that nearly all of the "wrist-slashers" and "moaners" will be shouting their heads off Saturday for the team. Stoke City Football Club is about ALL of us and just because some of us don't like this particular manager's football philosophy doesn't make us bad supporters. Top post.
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Post by doitforfrank on Feb 2, 2011 22:55:07 GMT
Before the transfer window opened I hadn't been on here for a good while, now I remember why.
STOKE CITY, yes STOKE CITY are 11th in the Premier League. Read it again 11th IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE, and after the last 30 years of utter shit and failure people want the manager out!! You truly couldn't make it up.
True we don't play like Arsenal or Man Utd, but neither do hardly any other teams in the league. Tonight we have lost to a resurgent Liverpool team, a team who during our top flight exile have won many major trophies including the Champions League. Yet some Stoke "fans" think we should win there now.
Maybe, just maybe with PC's massive wealth, we could compete financially with Liverpool, or the other "Big" clubs, but do we want to go back from where we recently came? And put the whole club at risk to "do a Leeds" or worse Bradford.
Let's just enjoy the ride, if (Big IF) we went down, maybe then re-consider TP's position but right now and with the players we have got, could/would any other manager get us palying better football?
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 2, 2011 22:55:18 GMT
Amazed by how many people on here are saying they want him gone. i know we've just lost, played awful, and emotions are a bit raw, but come on...
TP drives me up the wall sometimes...I can't fathom what he's trying to do with some of his teams, and then when he finally hits on a winning formula (usually one that involves a bit more attacking ambition), it only takes one defeat and he's back to playing scared-football again. It's frustrating as fuck.
However, despite this, we've had two mid-table finishes and are on course for another, despite the recent losses. Us sacking Pulis would be viewed by the wider football world as an act of ungrateful madness to match Blackburn's dismissal of Allardyce.
He needs to stay, but get back to playing a balanced 4-4-2 like we were earlier in the season.
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Post by stokemark on Feb 2, 2011 22:55:24 GMT
I dont want him to go - I want him to change, to evolve and to LEARN FROM HIS MISTAKES
Sadly, he simply seems unable to do so. What has shocked me recently is his tolerance of piss poor defenders (yes Collins) his failure to see that a wonderful servent to the club needs to be replaced (Rory) and his eye for a crap signing (Walters waste of money and Wilson has been a massive letdown)
But above all its that we have to play exactly the same way - A player who can play the 'Mama role', a player who needs to play the Cresswell way etc etc. Add to this the loss of Tuncay and now trying to shoehorn in another big lump and I am truy close to losing patience.
He has regressed - Why ? Perhaps only he and Peter Coates can answer that one.
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Post by OldStokie on Feb 2, 2011 22:55:39 GMT
I'm stunned that some of you expected anything else tonight. Pulis does what Pulis does: he looks at the games he can win and goes for the points there. Anything else is a damage limitation excercise, and hope that we pinch a point. He's always done it. Actually, Mart (Lordeff) got it spot on earlier... Pulis is hovering around the same situation Holloway is in, in that he's not played his best team on purpose. Before this game, Pulis will have had his sights set on only one thing - 3 points against Sunderland on Saturday. If he pulls it off, he will be very happy, and I suspect a lot of Stokies will, too.
I see tonight as a legitimate time to blow off some steam, and that's why I agree with Mark W of letting all the meaningless threads stand. Let it rip, guys. You'll feel better if we win on Saturday. If we lose on Saturday, then I reckon Pulis will deserve everything said against him.
OS.
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Post by sslazio1900 on Feb 2, 2011 22:57:22 GMT
as if coates would get shut of pulis! even if he took us down he would never ever get shut, its a job for life!!
long for the day where fans get behind there manager 100% like we did with macari
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Post by alster on Feb 2, 2011 22:58:42 GMT
Before the transfer window opened I hadn't been on here for a good while, now I remember why. STOKE CITY, yes STOKE CITY are 11th in the Premier League. Read it again 11th IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE, and after the last 30 years of utter shit and failure people want the manager out!! You truly couldn't make it up. True we don't play like Arsenal or Man Utd, but neither do hardly any other teams in the league. Tonight we have lost to a resurgent Liverpool team, a team who during our top flight exile have won many major trophies including the Champions League. Yet some Stoke "fans" think we should win there now. Maybe, just maybe with PC's massive wealth, we could compete financially with Liverpool, or the other "Big" clubs, but do we want to go back from where we recently came? And put the whole club at risk to "do a Leeds" or worse Bradford. Let's just enjoy the ride, if (Big IF) we went down, maybe then re-consider TP's position but right now and with the players we have got, could/would any other manager get us palying better football? Is that really a question because it'd be a struggle to imagine a manager producing worse football. Maybe you mean results?
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Post by bunnyscfc on Feb 2, 2011 22:59:46 GMT
Lou went out to win every game. Big difference. Even at anfield in the cup with 2 divisions apart.
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Post by KernowSvenSki on Feb 2, 2011 23:04:32 GMT
Win some, lose some, 17th or better. Anything better, including a place in the last 16 in the cup and/or a victory against one of the big money clubs in this league (as we had before xmas against the pool) is bloody good these days.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2011 23:06:04 GMT
getting rid of TP is not the answer. Him getting a plan B for £70 million and not bending over for teams away from home, is. Thing is bunny we play like the away team when we are playing at home! Amazing it's took 3 years but when Stoke play like this and win nothing is said. Selling Tuncay is another backwards idea so Tony's love of 6ft + black players goes on ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/cj7bsBj2jOTuEAUVaPt5.gif) Can we see some of this tippy tappy football please. Can't be worst what we are seeing now.....
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Feb 2, 2011 23:08:01 GMT
I'm racking my brains trying to work out at what point the manager felt the need to regress back to this shit and why? We were playing some good stuff with TWO proper wingers. We were potent, effective, lively and dynamic. We weren't high-risk or particularly open at the back. And now, this. WHY? Absolutely SPOT ON
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Post by scfcno1fan on Feb 2, 2011 23:09:52 GMT
I dont want him to go - I want him to change, to evolve and to LEARN FROM HIS MISTAKES Sadly, he simply seems unable to do so. What has shocked me recently is his tolerance of piss poor defenders (yes Collins) his failure to see that a wonderful servent to the club needs to be replaced (Rory) and his eye for a crap signing (Walters waste of money and Wilson has been a massive letdown) But above all its that we have to play exactly the same way - A player who can play the 'Mama role', a player who needs to play the Cresswell way etc etc. Add to this the loss of Tuncay and now trying to shoehorn in another big lump and I am truy close to losing patience. He has regressed - Why ? Perhaps only he and Peter Coates can answer that one. Good post. If he can learn from his mistakes and play the best 11 then, as well as attempting to play better football its all I ask for as a fan. On our day our best 11 is a top half team, its just sooooo frustating when he plays an 11 like he did tonight. For the first time in ages I watched a stoke game with no buzz of anticipation, simply because I knew we were going to lose (and tbh, as it is becoming more and more, the game was boring to watch)
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Post by likelyladgalizmo on Feb 2, 2011 23:26:54 GMT
We play well first half and still dont score. We didnt have a plan b once we went behind yet again. Be lucky if we score 9 to 10 goals from now to the end of the season. PULIS SORT IT OUT AND CHANGE YOUR PHILOSPHY PLEASE OR WE ARE DOOMED.
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Post by skelman on Feb 3, 2011 0:06:25 GMT
I don't know why it's taken the last few matches for some people to come on here and moan about the style of play.It's always been this bad under Pulis,right back to when he 1st came. Yes we get the odd good game but by and large Pulisball is shit ! If you don't like it do what I'm doing,stop watching ! Some of the anti-Pulis comments on here are an absolute crock of s-it. However, the crowd atmosphere has changed at the Brit. How many renditions of 'Delilah' have we had at each of the last 4-5 games? It was very quiet at the Fulham & Blackpool games. For sure there is some concern among supporters about our development/ progress or seeming lack of it. It's been absolutely crystal clear for more than 12 months that we have needed a new LB & CM. Until these positions are sorted out we will continue to play in our existing straight-jacket. Sorting out these 2 positions will open up lots of creative options throughout the team. In the absence of those 2 players now, I think TP will shut up shop to try to guarantee survival, grinding out points to get to the 40-42 point mark & then the club will look to buy & move on next season. Stick to the game plan with Pulis - the last thing we want to do is a West Brom!! Just remember, we're still one of the most inexperienced clubs in the Prem & that a lot of development is also taking place off the pitch to help Stoke to become an established, attractive Premiership club. When we beat WBA 3-0 a West Brom supporter said to me that he'd rather lose 20 times to Stoke than play like them. I replied - 'you probably will'. KTF in TP & PC ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif)
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Post by sufolkstokie on Feb 3, 2011 0:14:51 GMT
It would end uplike lettin Tuncay go or Fuller - we rationalise it, except it, and move on
Plenty of managers out there who can take the next step for SCFC
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Post by Chris1863 on Feb 3, 2011 0:22:21 GMT
I try to be a positive person and try to see the positive in any situation, but at the moment the patience is being tested. Due to the following: We cannot pass.(Thats delap) We don't hold the ball.(thats delap) We're too predictable.(thats delap) We're last in MOTD each week - so we're boring? Diao - why o why??? Anyway, I hope all of the above will change somewhat when I forge a better opinion on Saturday.
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Post by pushon on Feb 3, 2011 0:49:54 GMT
It's down to when PC has had enough, he's older than me and i remember late 60's early seventies. waddo started with "they shall not pass" tactics, but as soon as he could he brought in some proper footballers and this was done with nowhere near the resources handed to TP. So i'm sure PC would like to see us play some (succesful) proper football, before he hands over to his successor. While we were being humiliated in the second half tonight, TP just sat in front of the bench looking disinterested. L'pool became so dominant that they even brought on a player who hadn't even trained with the rest of the squad.
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Post by britpit on Feb 3, 2011 1:00:11 GMT
One of the only teams in England to improve on their League position in the last couple of years and you want the manager who made that possible to go after a couple of poor performances? Wow you people are the definition of fickle!
So... who would you like to replace TP? A manager that plays tippy tap football with the team we have?....Enjoy relegation....
TP plays to the teams strengths! He knows the players inside out and whilst his tactics are frustrating, we should remember he's improved our position every god damn season and a couple of bad performances aren't enough to justify his sacking you fickle idiots.
Most of you are probably just boiling over the top with anger because beloved bit-part player Tuncay was sold. Jesus fucking christ he's a good player but has he ever been good enough to shift Rick out of the team?....No. At the end of the day he was a good player that can pull off a few tricks, which for us fans, is nice to watch. However, the countless times he puts us on the back foot because he's trying to impress all of you morons is insane and yet you worship the bloke more than the bloody team.
GET A GRIP!!!!
Rant over.
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Post by littlestokie1 on Feb 3, 2011 1:00:46 GMT
i agree with all comments about us bein negative and don,t really know what tony is doin half the time BUT for all the people sayin they goin to sell off season tickets/ not go to match well bollocks to you we dont want you as fans up the potters
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