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Post by thepremierbanksy on Jul 23, 2010 7:02:54 GMT
And then you've got this knee issue............ the knee is the only worry for me, if he is a long term doubt then something like £7m rising to £10m seems more appropriate than £9m rising to £14m. If we spend £9m up front and he breaks down within the year then we've been done over. If there wasn't that doubt then i'd be more than happy to spend the money. I know we're not competing at the same level as them and that there are more bargains to be had in our price bracket, but how many times have liverpool shown the folly in spending money on players who are relatively inexpensive but who are then just not good enough and need replacing two or three times when they should have just coughed up the readies for the right man in the first place. We know damn well that it's pretty much a straight choice between Jones and Cole to get a perfect fit for us (with prem experience of course).
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Post by Beatties Side Boob on Jul 23, 2010 7:08:53 GMT
Accroding to The Times...taken from bbc gossip.
"West Ham have dropped their asking price for striker Carlton Cole to £12m."
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Post by Binndy on Jul 23, 2010 7:33:30 GMT
would love to see him at stoke ,should he not sign in the next few days, after last night 0-0 draw lets get buying strikers from eastern europe. cheaper work hard and quality weiss tunny matty cristea pogrebnyak we need to get signing quality strikers nearly almost scored is worrying
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 23, 2010 7:42:25 GMT
Dear oh dear oh dear. Alarm bells should be ringing in the Chairmans ear on this one.
£14million for a bloke who never completes a full season. Plus he's fucking useless as well.
Pulis has money burning a hole in his pocket - better footballers at better value are out there.
Pity we haven't a scouting network.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2010 7:45:46 GMT
Dear oh dear oh dear. Alarm bells should be ringing in the Chairmans ear on this one. £14million for a bloke who never completes a full season. Plus he's fucking useless as well. Pulis has money burning a hole in his pocket - better footballers at better value are out there. Pity we haven't a scouting network. He isn't "fucking useless" - as grapey says, he's one of a handful of players who's got into double figures in the prem in each of the last two seasons. £14m is way too much though I agree.
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Post by MrBigJobby on Jul 23, 2010 7:49:48 GMT
i personally think that the story is wrong, I have a feeling its 14M for Cole and Noble!!
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Post by Cyprusdelilah on Jul 23, 2010 7:51:25 GMT
14 million wouldn't pay that but 10 mill with add-ons if we can get him, go for it.
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Post by Beatties Side Boob on Jul 23, 2010 7:52:25 GMT
i personally think that the story is wrong, I have a feeling its 14M for Cole and Noble!! I personally wish you were right. Like the Huth and Tunny double last year how good would the Nobel and Cole one be!!!
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 23, 2010 7:53:01 GMT
OK, in my opinion he is fucking useless.
£14million for a 10 goal a season striker. The world has gone mental.
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Post by Cyprusdelilah on Jul 23, 2010 8:00:31 GMT
i personally think that the story is wrong, I have a feeling its 14M for Cole and Noble!! I personally wish you were right. Like the Huth and Tunny double last year how good would the Nobel and Cole one be!!! I would be delighted, go sun bathing naked with all the tourists and get my little pinky all sunburnt.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 23, 2010 9:14:02 GMT
i personally think that the story is wrong, I have a feeling its 14M for Cole and Noble!! I personally wish you were right. Like the Huth and Tunny double last year how good would the Nobel and Cole one be!!! If that's the case, I will insert a carrot into each of my bodily orifices and roll around the floor in a donkey sanctuary.
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Post by bristolpotter on Jul 23, 2010 9:48:45 GMT
Cole is average at best, ffs there must be someone plying their trade in Portugal, Holland, Bulgaria, Peru, Mexico, Sweden bla bla who's a far better option than him for a quarter of the price, I despair.
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Post by fca47 on Jul 23, 2010 10:05:25 GMT
Can't be bothered to go through all the pages don't know if this has been on before, written by someone who supposed to have inside info from KUMB
just got back from south africa
got some disturbing news
both parker and cole have had loyalty bonus money due to them withheld by the new regime apparently duxbury stitched them up and the club wont honor the deals as the paperwork has loopholes in it
both have been offered to clubs behind their backs while they publicly say they are not for sale
parker has been offered to villa, filth and liverpool
cole stoke fulham, filth, and brum,
filth were told kaboul + pav for cc
this is the 2nd year running both boys have had over 120k not paid!
west ham feel parker has had his best season and will not reach these heights again so they wanna cash in
in coles case they feel his knee will give in and they want to cash in rather than have another dean ashton situation
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 23, 2010 11:39:58 GMT
In the English market, we're paying over the odds and are severely limited to maybe Cole and Jones?
If we've got £10-14m to spend on a transfer fee and a wage offer of £50-60k-a-week, I wonder who we could actually get to show us the time of day from the European market?
Presumably we're specifically looking for someone who's 6'+, who's good at holding the ball up, decent in the air, a physical presence and capable of getting 10+ goals in the Prem. Ideally in mid 20s.
Not much to ask for!
I'll have a quick google to see who might fit the bill ;D
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 23, 2010 11:44:07 GMT
In the English market, we're paying over the odds and are severely limited to maybe Cole and Jones? If we've got £10-14m to spend on a transfer fee and a wage offer of £50-60k-a-week, I wonder who we could actually get to show us the time of day from the European market? Presumably we're specifically looking for someone who's 6'+, who's good at holding the ball up, decent in the air, a physical presence and capable of getting 10+ goals in the Prem. Ideally in mid 20s. Not much to ask for! I'll have a quick google to see who might fit the bill ;D Artem Milevskiy.
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Post by boothy on Jul 23, 2010 11:50:03 GMT
In the English market, we're paying over the odds and are severely limited to maybe Cole and Jones? If we've got £10-14m to spend on a transfer fee and a wage offer of £50-60k-a-week, I wonder who we could actually get to show us the time of day from the European market? Presumably we're specifically looking for someone who's 6'+, who's good at holding the ball up, decent in the air, a physical presence and capable of getting 10+ goals in the Prem. Ideally in mid 20s. Not much to ask for! I'll have a quick google to see who might fit the bill ;D Artem Milevskiy. ^ Best player we could realistically get IMO. Demba Ba? Although I'm not too sure about him, he seems more of a Fuller type even with his height.
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Post by jamrock on Jul 23, 2010 12:16:46 GMT
It's like you all completely ignored my post, again I will say it. Harry Harris is a rubbish reporter and he is a fraud. £14 milllion he probably pulled out of his ass so you can all stop debating this £14 million price tag.
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Post by broadack on Jul 23, 2010 12:23:17 GMT
Fernando Llorente at Bilbao looks like he'd fit us like a glove.
If we are looking at spending £12million+ & £50-60k a week wages, whilst limiting ourselves to a short list of domestic players who blatantly aren't keen on what they will view as a sideways move, we were always going to reach this impasse. Speaking from my complete ignorance to how transfers actually work, I'd say chasing Cole/Jones/Rodallega/Pavlyuchenko has already cost us time, we need to take a harder line with clubs, agents and players. We're offering them lots of money to come here, to play premier league football. Either we continue waiting and pandering until these players are given an excuse not to join us (contract extension/more attractive club's interested) or we cast the net further and have half a dozen or more genuine targets for each position, and we give ourselves the option to tell clubs/agent/player to go swivel.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 23, 2010 12:35:11 GMT
eurorivals.net/top-scorers.html Top 150 scorers in Europe in 2009-10
Actually finding a realistic target man for us is harder than it seems in the European market Anyone with any kind of reputation in a decent league seems to be mentioned at £10m+, and will no doubt think they're already at a bigger club than us, or will attract a bid from a big club if they sit tight for 12 months. Even a target man like Gignac at Toulouse, who got in the French team on the back of one prolific season, and followed it up with a poor 8-goal return last season, is being talked of at £11-12m - and almost certainly wouldn't look twice at us.
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Post by griffoisalegend on Jul 23, 2010 12:36:34 GMT
Fernando Llorente at Bilbao looks like he'd fit us like a glove. If we are looking at spending £12million+ & £50-60k a week wages, whilst limiting ourselves to a short list of domestic players who blatantly aren't keen on what they will view as a sideways move, we were always going to reach this impasse. Speaking from my complete ignorance to how transfers actually work, I'd say chasing Cole/Jones/Rodallega/Pavlyuchenko has already cost us time, we need to take a harder line with clubs, agents and players. We're offering them lots of money to come here, to play premier league football. Either we continue waiting and pandering until these players are given an excuse not to join us (contract extension/more attractive club's interested) or we cast the net further and have half a dozen or more genuine targets for each position, and we give ourselves the option to tell clubs/agent/player to go swivel. However, would Llorente join Stoke? No fucking chance. If a player like that were to move, he'd join a top club, no doubt about that. He's already at a very,very decent one, let's not forget that.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 23, 2010 12:42:39 GMT
thisisfutbol.com/blogs/why-wont-someone-take-a-punt-on-fernando-llorenteLlorente does seem absolutely perfect, but I think he's well out of range, especially after the little bit of post-World Cup glitz he's attracted. The very top teams don't seem to want to sign him though, although Marseille were semi-linked to him this week and an obscene fee was mentioned
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Post by Homzy on Jul 23, 2010 12:48:37 GMT
The bottom line is that Pulis wouldn't sign the best player in Spain for £15million if he could get a proven Premier League player for the same price.
Ability doesn't really come into it, that's how important TP sees Premier League experience.
And when you're talking about £10m+ you can understand why he's wary to take a risk. Because no matter how good a player is overseas, it IS a risk paying money to bring him over here.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 23, 2010 12:53:12 GMT
The bottom line is that Pulis wouldn't sign the best player in Spain for £15million if he could get a proven Premier League player for the same price. Ability doesn't really come into it, that's how important TP sees Premier League experience. And when you're talking about £10m+ you can understand why he's wary to take a risk. Because no matter how good a player is overseas, it IS a risk paying money to bring him over here. I agree, Homzy. But what happens if we can't get Cole or Jones, who seem the only 2 vaguely realistic genuinely big 'step forward' target men in the domestic market? Where do we look then? Do we retreat into our Heskey shells? Or is that the point we get our passports out?
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Post by Homzy on Jul 23, 2010 12:57:43 GMT
The bottom line is that Pulis wouldn't sign the best player in Spain for £15million if he could get a proven Premier League player for the same price. Ability doesn't really come into it, that's how important TP sees Premier League experience. And when you're talking about £10m+ you can understand why he's wary to take a risk. Because no matter how good a player is overseas, it IS a risk paying money to bring him over here. I agree, Homzy. But what happens if we can't get Cole or Jones, who seem the only 2 vaguely realistic genuinely big 'step forward' target men in the domestic market? Where do we look then? Do we retreat into our Heskey shells? Or is that the point we get our passports out? I'm yet to be convinced, after a number of conversations with him on the matter, that Pulis is ready to spend money in the foreign market. Personally I think he'll settle for Heskey (although I don't think it's neccessarily him OR Cole) or spend the money on a different type of British based striker and end up playing Mama-Fuller anyway!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 23, 2010 13:01:03 GMT
I agree, Homzy. But what happens if we can't get Cole or Jones, who seem the only 2 vaguely realistic genuinely big 'step forward' target men in the domestic market? Where do we look then? Do we retreat into our Heskey shells? Or is that the point we get our passports out? I'm yet to be convinced, after a number of conversations with him on the matter, that Pulis is ready to spend money in the foreign market. Personally I think he'll settle for Heskey (although I don't think it's neccessarily him OR Cole) or spend the money on a different type of British based striker and end up playing Mama-Fuller anyway! That's got to be a worry though Homzy ... He's after a quality target man, he's got plenty of money to make the purchase and you're suggesting that if he can't nail his prime target in this country, then he'd rather settle for Heskey or even stick with Mama rather than consider spending that money in Europe?
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Post by Homzy on Jul 23, 2010 13:06:39 GMT
I'm yet to be convinced, after a number of conversations with him on the matter, that Pulis is ready to spend money in the foreign market. Personally I think he'll settle for Heskey (although I don't think it's neccessarily him OR Cole) or spend the money on a different type of British based striker and end up playing Mama-Fuller anyway! That's got to be a worry though Homzy ... He's after a quality target man, he's got plenty of money to make the purchase and your suggesting that if he can't nail his prime target in this country, then he'd rather settle for Heskey or even stick with Mama rather than consider spending that money in Europe? To be fair, he's adamant that we need to improve our worldwide scouting network and that is in progress. And he proved with Arismendi that recommended a player by someone he trusts, he will take the risk. The trouble is that we have no-one in Europe unearthing gems and most of the targets that we know would improve us are too high profile to consider a move here. I've often thought Pulis was being over cautious with his five-year talk but I think he's right - for now we need to stick with players proven in this league.
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Post by RAF on Jul 23, 2010 13:08:19 GMT
Yes and Demar Phillips if memory serves! H
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Post by Homzy on Jul 23, 2010 13:10:43 GMT
Yes and Demar Phillips if memory serves! H Exactly! Two forays into foreign territory and he ends up with Arismendi and Phillips. Throw in Bangoura and you can understand why he's a bit wary!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 23, 2010 13:10:51 GMT
To be fair, he's adamant that we need to improve our worldwide scouting network and that is in progress. Can you elaborate on the 'progress' Homzy? cheers
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Post by RAF on Jul 23, 2010 13:13:42 GMT
Yes and Demar Phillips if memory serves! H Exactly! Two forays into foreign territory and he ends up with Arismendi and Phillips. Throw in Bangoura and you can understand why he's a bit wary! Not to mention De Laet H
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