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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 22, 2010 19:44:36 GMT
Iv'e just read the original article. How is that Stoke are always 'poised' to make an offer? We never seem to have offered these figures. How does the In the Know reporter know that we are 'poised' to offer this? Putting 2+2 together and making 5 IMTAG ... maybe Harris has been given the info by a decent source, with the intention of getting it into the public domain to put some pressure on Cole and his agent. If Cole (privately) starts to make the right noises, then the 'offer' would presumably become official. Or somet along those lines I'd guess.
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Post by ashbournepotter on Jul 22, 2010 19:45:33 GMT
doesn't matter if we bid £40 million - he doesn't want to come
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Post by prettyricky on Jul 22, 2010 19:52:54 GMT
it's only 9-10 mil transfer fee which isn't that bad and the rest is add ons most of which we probably wont pay and if we have to it will of been worth it i never liked him but over the last few weeks i've grown in admiration for him and i think he is actually exactly what we need he can play the mama role or up front as a striker he's still only 26 time to develop at 9-10 mil i'd snap their hand off but i wouldn't stop at that i'd look at Rodders, Pav or Kenwyne as well through fuller and mama into the mix we'd be a force upfront next year
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Post by coggy on Jul 22, 2010 19:58:03 GMT
Can't see him coming but as SERPS said there are not many who would fit our style and he is one. The add ons are important here, if we had to pay them then he would be doing well for us and covers his injuries etc.
Would be very happy with this BUT i still say he will not come to us.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Jul 22, 2010 19:58:36 GMT
Silly money but we wont find another Fuller.
Even half decent foreign strikers cost the earth - so I would go with it
And surely Stoke will have sounded out the player before making the offer
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Post by liathroid on Jul 22, 2010 20:05:09 GMT
14mil somebody taking the piss
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2010 20:06:45 GMT
There's better foreigners for half the price I am sure...not worth it.
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Post by isaaccox on Jul 22, 2010 20:07:16 GMT
I'd rather offer 8 million for kenwyne jones and 3 for maynard.
Then beattie and kitson plus 3 million for figueroa.
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Post by adredandwhite on Jul 22, 2010 20:09:58 GMT
Are the dildo sales men behind this story? They seem to be talking about and and talking up all every purchase and sale wet sham are doing. They may not have said this themselves but this does seem to be the way they operate!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2010 20:12:40 GMT
Bloody hell thats a lot of money for Carlton Cole. Give me Heskey and Maynard for half of that.
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Post by rigsby on Jul 22, 2010 20:14:14 GMT
Obinna, Maynard and Heskey would cover a fraction of that price.
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Post by lordb on Jul 22, 2010 20:25:58 GMT
isnt Maynard a bit lightweight?
& he had big goal drought in the middle of last season
imho he needs another very good goalscoring season in the champ before anyone spalshes out the £6m that Bristol C would be asking for
Obinna would drive us all nuts,brilliant & shite (very quick mind) almots at the same time - would make us more unpredictable mind
Heskey....
KYJ would probably cost teh same as Cole
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Post by GrandStokie on Jul 22, 2010 20:31:59 GMT
So let me get this right, West Ham have revalued him at 12 million and we might table an offer of 14 million?????
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Post by PickSCFC on Jul 22, 2010 20:32:40 GMT
we would be getting raped at that price, he is a very average player
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Post by jamrock on Jul 22, 2010 20:33:23 GMT
Harry Harris is a fraud. He is notorious for writing crap. I don't believe the story for one minute simply because Harris wrote it. This is the same fool that was fired from some British tabloid for making up a story. Don't believe anything Harris writes.
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Post by jamrock on Jul 22, 2010 20:42:56 GMT
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Post by jamrock on Jul 22, 2010 20:43:43 GMT
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Post by bostonstokie on Jul 22, 2010 20:51:59 GMT
Can't see him coming but as SERPS said there are not many who would fit our style and he is one. The add ons are important here, if we had to pay them then he would be doing well for us and covers his injuries etc. Would be very happy with this BUT i still say he will not come to us. As I said on NS, we must be getting some sort of signal that it is at least possible that he'd come. If he'd told us to f*ck off multiple times before, I don't know why we'd be wasting our time.
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Post by bostonstokie on Jul 22, 2010 21:07:19 GMT
we would be getting raped at that price, he is a very average player He's not a very average player, and it isn't 14m unless he's healthy and working well in the side. 14m up front would be a bad deal - this is not.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 22, 2010 21:09:48 GMT
We're obviously looking to spend big on someone who'd look twice at us, might be available, and can specifically play as a big target man.
In England, there are probably only a handful of high-class ones.
And only 2 are at a good age and play at middle-ranking clubs - Jones and Cole.
£14m would be barmy on the face of it. But if Coatesy wants to say "sod it" and pay a bit of a premium for someone who's English, Premier-proven and at a good age, let him.
£9-10m would probably be par for him in the silly domestic market and we'd only pay the extra third if he was doing well and the club were continuing to do okay.
The knee thing does bother me though. But, at his best, I think he's in the top 5-6 players, in his position, in the country.
I suppose the question is "what would that money get you in France, Spain, Germany, Argentina, Holland etc?"
Our scouting team certainly don't have the foggiest, that is for sure!
And would anyone who could command that type of crazy fee be prepared to come to Stoke City?
And I don't think any of us really know the answer to that.
I think it's important we get a big-name player in as soon as we can. And this could be the summer it all falls into place for us to get Cole, with us clearly being one of the only cash-rich teams about, and even if we have to pay over the odds to do it, we should pull the trigger on it if we can finally persuade a big fish to come.
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Post by french toast on Jul 22, 2010 21:20:55 GMT
is this including 3 years wages
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Post by PickSCFC on Jul 22, 2010 21:23:01 GMT
we would be getting raped at that price, he is a very average player He's not a very average player, and it isn't 14m unless he's healthy and working well in the side. 14m up front would be a bad deal - this is not. imo he is average
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 22, 2010 21:27:04 GMT
He's only been an established top-flight regular starter for the last 2 seasons and during that time he's scored 20 goals in 51 Premier League games.
He does seem pretty unrecognisable from the insecure bit-part player we saw before that
And he's one of only 10 players who've scored 10 PL goals in both the last 2 seasons.
The others are Rooney, Bent, Lampard, Defoe, Torres, Anelka, Adebayor, Agbonlahor and Carew.
Chuck in his frame and his ability to fit into the Pulis system and you can see the attraction
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Post by shiny nosehair on Jul 22, 2010 21:31:23 GMT
He's only been an established top-flight regular starter for the last 2 seasons and during that time he's scored 20 goals in 51 Premier League games. He does seem pretty unrecognisable from the insecure bit-part player we saw before that And he's one of only 10 players who've scored 10 PL goals in both the last 2 seasons. The others are Rooney, Bent, Lampard, Defoe, Torres, Anelka, Adebayor, Agbonlahor and Carew. Chuck in his frame and his ability to fit into the Pulis system and you can see the attraction Excellent post Sir, and certainly if true would be the best theory as to our interest in a signing even close to that kind of money
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Post by coggy on Jul 22, 2010 21:47:44 GMT
We're obviously looking to spend big on someone who'd look twice at us, might be available, and can specifically play as a big target man. In England, there are probably only a handful of high-class ones. And only 2 are at a good age and play at middle-ranking clubs - Jones and Cole. £14m would be barmy on the face of it. But if Coatesy wants to say "sod it" and pay a bit of a premium for someone who's English, Premier-proven and at a good age, let him. £9-10m would probably be par for him in the silly domestic market and we'd only pay the extra third if he was doing well and the club were continuing to do okay. The knee thing does bother me though. But, at his best, I think he's in the top 5-6 players, in his position, in the country. I suppose the question is "what would that money get you in France, Spain, Germany, Argentina, Holland etc?" Our scouting team certainly don't have the foggiest, that is for sure! And would anyone who could command that type of crazy fee be prepared to come to Stoke City? And I don't think any of us really know the answer to that. I think it's important we get a big-name player in as soon as we can. And this could be the summer it all falls into place for us to get Cole, with us clearly being one of the only cash-rich teams about, and even if we have to pay over the odds to do it, we should pull the trigger on it if we can finally persuade a big fish to come.
I agree with that. We need 1 big name ASAP. YES we may have to pay over the odds a bit BUT it will open the doors i am sure. If we wait and wait and try to pay the going rate then we could just end up having to wait for another window which is risky because we have to keep going forward and not stand still.
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Post by Miles Offside on Jul 22, 2010 21:47:55 GMT
£14M fee plus around £10M signing-on fee & wages over 3 years = £24M outlay.
Cole has averaged around 30 games per season over last 3 years.
Assuming 90 games over next 3 seasons, he would cost us about £265K per game.
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Post by stantheman on Jul 22, 2010 21:55:48 GMT
If this figure is correct we should walk away now and concentrate on Rodellega at Wigan.
If Cole was for sale at £10million I would have second thoughts, but £14million is taking the wee
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Post by lancspotter on Jul 22, 2010 22:04:52 GMT
At the risk of repeating myself and others, yes it's too much but clearly we wouldn't bid that if we can get him for less and we NEED a marquee signing to show our ambition to others
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 22, 2010 22:08:20 GMT
isnt Maynard a bit lightweight? & he had big goal drought in the middle of last season imho he needs another very good goalscoring season in the champ before anyone spalshes out the £6m that Bristol C would be asking for Obinna would drive us all nuts,brilliant & shite (very quick mind) almots at the same time - would make us more unpredictable mind Heskey.... KYJ would probably cost teh same as Cole Our strikers had a goal drought all season! ;D
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 22, 2010 22:10:09 GMT
Wigan would be looking for £9-12m for Rodders, though, wouldn't they? And I think that valuation would be even barmier than Cole's, given what we actually need to inject into our system to make it work better - and the fact Rodders hasn't even begun to prove himself over the long-term. He certainly wouldn't solve our 'we need a more effective Mama' problem as needs to play off a target man as well. And he's not as good as Fuller IMO. If we did go for Cole, we'd have to be all over his medical like a rash. You just worry that in our desperation to break the impasse, and get a big name in, we (even Coates and Scholes) might be tempted to take more liberties with his apparently chronic knee issues than we should. Surely the fee would have to take all that into account? Even the Chuckles are on record casting doubts about his knees. www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1282288/West-Ham-United-Arsenal-East-London-pledges-David-Sullivan.html‘I was elated when Carlton Cole wasn’t picked because he’s got legs which have taken a lot of grief and a good break is what he needs. He’s a bit like Ledley King, he’s got a recurring problem but properly managed he can play with it.‘He might struggle to play two games a week but he’s playing 30 games a season, every season. Whether he can play 45 I don’t know. But every game for England is a game less for West Ham.’
And, let's face it, every club is going to be more than aware of his issues - and all too aware that West Ham probably NEED a sale to balance their books before September and they seem to have settled on Cole as the expendable one they think they can get a very good fee for So their desperation to recoup big money on Cole before September is balanced out by our desperation to finally get a big-name player in. It'd be interesting to see how that'd be balanced out in deciding an acceptable compromise fee. And it'd also be interesting to see whether, when it came down to it, any other English club would put £10m down for Cole. The list of possibles is incredibly small.
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