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Post by vestanpance on Jul 23, 2010 13:13:51 GMT
I think Cole would be good, but not at 14M
We really do have a right to start questioning why our transfer policy is so fucking hopeless. How come Wolves are able to establish a european scouting network before us? why are we now playing pre-season matches without a signing?
All this top table bollocks is just that, bollocks. We are not competing with the top 8 teams in this division so thier transer activity is a moot point. He's got to get fucking better at this because i reckon that this will be a tough year, and the thought of a 35 year old throw in expert wide right and a non-goalscoring striker is a desperatly worrying one
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Post by Homzy on Jul 23, 2010 13:18:37 GMT
To be fair, he's adamant that we need to improve our worldwide scouting network and that is in progress. Can you elaborate on the 'progress' Homzy? cheers No, but I may have some notes at home of TP talking about it. I'll have a look tonight. But I remember him saying something along the lines of wanting to be in a position of hearing about foreign players before other clubs and that he'd make sure that'd happen within the next 2-3 years. It was just after he'd been advised to look at Grafite and Dzeko only to turn up and find scouts from clubs like AC Milan there! It's fair to say he was a bit pissed off!
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Post by vestanpance on Jul 23, 2010 13:21:44 GMT
In fairness, how can you dismiss Arismendi when he hasn't had a shot yet?
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Post by Homzy on Jul 23, 2010 13:24:16 GMT
In fairness, how can you dismiss Arismendi when he hasn't had a shot yet? I dismiss him BECAUSE he hasn't a shot! Although TP did always say he was one for the future in fairness so there's hope for him yet. The prognosis aint good though!
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Post by RINGO STARR on Jul 23, 2010 13:25:36 GMT
As per the majority here-I think Cole would be a good addition to our forward line but at anything over £9m it is a massive risk.
It's very easy for us to suggest other signings to make at half his value but it's never going to happen.
Pulis sees CC as the ideal man for us and it seems this transfer is going all the way.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 23, 2010 13:28:31 GMT
It was just after he'd been advised to look at Grafite and Dzeko Who on earth gave him that advice?! When you put it like that, it becomes apparent that we really are a shambles when it comes to anything outside of the UK.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jul 23, 2010 13:31:34 GMT
Did he define "future" though?
And will we all have bus passes by then?
Agree but it's not just the Demars & Diego's is it though?
We (potentially) have a situation where we belive we are on the verge of a £7m move for Figgy rower.
We note also that Salcido is available at about £2m.
He seems twice the player to me anyway at a lot less than half the price but becuase he has "no prem experience", he ain't ever going to get a look in with TP.
Which is clearly bollox.
And to cap it all DC - our 'squad LB' has got PL experience, cost an over-inflated fortune because of it & yet is patently not up to the job.
So where will that take us if we replicate that across the squad?
(p.s. it's NOT higher than 11th)
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Post by Homzy on Jul 23, 2010 13:36:50 GMT
It was just after he'd been advised to look at Grafite and Dzeko Who on earth gave him that advice?! When you put it like that, it becomes apparent that we really are a shambles when it comes to anything outside of the UK. Correct. TP gets the stick for it and he'll admit himself that he doesn't like to look abroad, but it's not his job to find these players. I've known him watch players overseas many times in the past so that proves that he is willing to look at that market but the scouts obviously aren't good enough. Pulis knows that and it will change.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 23, 2010 13:39:47 GMT
It was just after he'd been advised to look at Grafite and Dzeko Who on earth gave him that advice?! When you put it like that, it becomes apparent that we really are a shambles when it comes to anything outside of the UK. That does sound embarrassing. To think Dzeko and Grafite were, to some extent, "under the radar" this time last year and ripe for the picking for the likes of us does hint at us being completely out of touch with anything on the other side of the channel. In fact, almost laughably so msn.teamtalk.com/news/15228/5342608/TEAMtalk-Insider-TP-s-tough-timeSounds like, for good or ill, our management team's interest in football ends (or has previously ended) at Dover. Whatever next? Lindsay Parsons: "There's a kiddie playing in Spain I think has got a chance, Tone. He's a bit frail, but he's coming on well. Larry Messo, or something..."
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Post by kinkyjohnfowler on Jul 23, 2010 13:41:07 GMT
Cole would be a good signing in more ways than one, he'd easily fit in to our system and he would score more goals than Mama and it could be argued he'd score more than Fuller too. He's also got international experience and more than capable of getting more caps now Fabio seems to be thinking of experimenting a bit.
2 things concern me though are the fee and his injury record.
As the WHU fans have alluded to he seems to have problems with his knee which doesn't lead to him playing a full season. As we've seen in this league there's not much between alot of the teams (top 4 excluded) and should you have your best team available for long periods (Cole would be part of this IMO) you've got a good chance of finishing in the top half.
As for the money £9m + is a hell of a lot to spend on any player. It looks to me that he's another English player who's price tag is more than he acutally is worth. I suppose you get what you pay for in football and hopefuly he'll sign on the dotted line and celebrate his debut by notching the winner against Wolves on August 14th.
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Post by Homzy on Jul 23, 2010 13:42:46 GMT
I had a suspicion you might manage it, but that's a superb find FM!! I'll see if I've got any more notes on that tonight.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2010 17:01:06 GMT
In fairness, how can you dismiss Arismendi when he hasn't had a shot yet? I dismiss him BECAUSE he hasn't a shot! Although TP did always say he was one for the future in fairness so there's hope for him yet. The prognosis aint good though! That's solely down to the manager though, the lad hasn't been given a chance. TP needs to sort it the fuck out. As for Grafite and Dzeko. ;D ;D ;D He might have been advised about them but does he not the tiniest little bit on foreign football because if he did he would have known that those pair were well out of reach, words fail me.
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Post by stokelad84 on Jul 23, 2010 17:03:10 GMT
But if TP has seen him in training and thinks he's not good enough, then why play him in the Premier league?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2010 17:06:21 GMT
But if TP has seen him in training and thinks he's not good enough, then why play him in the Premier league? I agree but to let him rot like he did is indefencible imo. At most other clubs players with backgrounds like Arismendi's would be thrown straight in.
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Post by stokelad84 on Jul 23, 2010 17:08:40 GMT
I know yeah, but when he finally saw him with his own eyes, perhaps he realised he had dropped a bollock?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2010 17:12:21 GMT
He shouldn't be wasting Mr Coates' money then should he! From the little I've seen of him he doesn't look that bad but he has been handled shitely and I don't think anyone can deny that. To let him rot playing 1 reserve game a month is poor management and in hindsight he should have gone on loan earlier.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2010 17:13:35 GMT
Can you elaborate on the 'progress' Homzy? cheers No, but I may have some notes at home of TP talking about it. I'll have a look tonight. But I remember him saying something along the lines of wanting to be in a position of hearing about foreign players before other clubs and that he'd make sure that'd happen within the next 2-3 years. It was just after he'd been advised to look at Grafite and Dzeko only to turn up and find scouts from clubs like AC Milan there! It's fair to say he was a bit pissed off! fucking hell, that's embarrassing
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Post by boothenboi on Jul 23, 2010 17:24:02 GMT
14mill is a bit crazy but to the lads who are avin a windge that he wont be worth it, hes like fuller a striker who thrives on confidance and the stoke fans can give it him, mite not be worth 14 mill but if he has a great season for us and scores 15+ goals we wont be moanin about the price unless he dosnt do the job. otherwise i think he will be a brilliant signin and it shows what were trying to do at this club lets get people gettin up out there seat and lookin at stoke.COME ON YOU RIP ROARIN POTTERS
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Post by lordb on Jul 23, 2010 19:48:09 GMT
its not the £8m-£10m upfront with a bjillion add-ons thats the risk its the wages.
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Post by andystokey on Jul 23, 2010 20:03:55 GMT
Have a read of that... www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/danroan/2010/07/one_of_the_major_theories.htmlDon't agree with all of it, but if Wigan are the club that unearth all the foreign talent in South America I dont see why Stoke couldn't make a niche for themselves as the club that offered starts to some of our rising England Stars. Nouble, Maynard, et al. all on lower wages we could get 3 or four On that point I would let Moulty at least get on the bench against Wolves if nothing else happens between now and then. The talented youngsters could be tempted to ply their trade then at a club like Stoke and if we did sell them on there will be a few quid in it.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 23, 2010 22:07:48 GMT
I don't suppose anybody spotted a little snippet in the Mail this morning (not my own paper before anybody's opinion of me drastically drops ) saying that we'd increased our offer for Cole from £8,000,000 to £10,000,000, with no mention of a £14,000,000 figure? They're the same group who own the Sentinel, there could be something in it.
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Post by coggy on Jul 23, 2010 22:10:03 GMT
I don't suppose anybody spotted a little snippet in the Mail this morning (not my own paper before anybody's opinion of me drastically drops ) saying that we'd increased our offer for Cole from £8,000,000 to £10,000,000, with no mention of a £14,000,000 figure? They're the same group who own the Sentinel, there could be something in it. Yes i saw it (Not my paper it was my mates)
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 24, 2010 23:13:56 GMT
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Post by prettyricky on Jul 24, 2010 23:38:26 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 25, 2010 7:38:28 GMT
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Post by pasa on Jul 25, 2010 7:46:43 GMT
Cameron Jerome IMO is a better option and would be better value at probably 6 or 7 million than a 14M injury prone Carlton Cole who's used to the big-smoke.
younger than Cole and an ideal partner for fuller imo and scored 11 goals last season.
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Jul 25, 2010 10:02:45 GMT
No, but I may have some notes at home of TP talking about it. I'll have a look tonight. But I remember him saying something along the lines of wanting to be in a position of hearing about foreign players before other clubs and that he'd make sure that'd happen within the next 2-3 years. It was just after he'd been advised to look at Grafite and Dzeko only to turn up and find scouts from clubs like AC Milan there! It's fair to say he was a bit pissed off! fucking hell, that's embarrassing Absolutely pitiful. We'd probably be more effective if we just paid someone to play football manager and watch iraqi goals all day.
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Post by evans1863 on Jul 25, 2010 11:34:23 GMT
Cameron Jerome IMO is a better option and would be better value at probably 6 or 7 million than a 14M injury prone Carlton Cole who's used to the big-smoke. younger than Cole and an ideal partner for fuller imo and scored 11 goals last season. Jerome would be my preffered choice as well
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 25, 2010 11:38:01 GMT
Cameron Jerome... seriously?
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Post by stokecityscott on Jul 25, 2010 13:28:19 GMT
Crouch is going back Liverpool.
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