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Post by TheWiseMaster on Apr 23, 2010 11:21:26 GMT
What an absolute load of rubbish - and you only have to see Pulis hater jarhead's endorsement to confirm that its shite Beattie can sod off - he's finished at Stoke and the sooner he goes the better. Lawrence has fallen back - he's never been quick but he will be no more than a squad player if he stays I would be very happy to see Tuncay and Kitson stay. Kitson has proved our best target man and Tuncay is a class act if he can sort out his attitude What I will say without any doubt is that NO key players will be leaving unless we have quality replacements lined up. Some will go and I expect the squad to improve Pulis to get us relegated? Grow up - he's just kept us in the Prem comfortably for two seasons and has never been relegated in his career FFS!  |
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Post by alster on Apr 23, 2010 16:31:21 GMT
Don't suppose theres the slightest possibility we could merge the mentality that Martinez is trying to put in place at Wigan and their willingness to attempt to play a bit more football with our solid organised defence and actually come out of it with a more entertaining experience on a Saturday afternoon without any major differential in our league position. People keep banging on about European qualification, we'll I'd much sooner we address our one dimentional style than qualify for the Europa league. And how would you go about doing that then Alster? What is the secret of Martinez's "success" (the one that's seeing him finish lower down the league than his predecessor)? What's the secret to his kind of football that makes them so good to watch? Wigan have played well at times this season and they've been fucking awful at times as well - more so than as, as the table clearly indicates. Well the minset Martinez is trying to instill into his players is to get them into a mentalityvwhere they attempt and believe they can win every game. No he doesn't think they will or expect they can, he just wants them to believe they can and try to pull it off no matter who the opposition. I hope I don't need to explain the difference between this and the minset Pulis sends his team out with, which revolves around the concept that you start the game with a draw. Its been a struggle for him becuase as he says he took over from a managers who sees things more in the way Pulis does. They try to work openings with passing football, if they do go long it with a directed ball not a mindless punt up field. They commit more players to attacking the opposition than we do. Its more entertaining easier on the eye and provides better value for the paying supporter. No its not guaranteed to succeed, you'll probably lose more matches, you'll definitely conceed more goals. On the up side you hope to win more matches than you would otherwise have done, you should score more goals, fans enjoy it better players enjoy their football more. Please feel free to disagree but don't try to make me out to be a tool who does not understand what he's talking about because I aren't, I may just want different things than you. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Apr 23, 2010 16:41:13 GMT
And how would you go about doing that then Alster? What is the secret of Martinez's "success" (the one that's seeing him finish lower down the league than his predecessor)? What's the secret to his kind of football that makes them so good to watch? Wigan have played well at times this season and they've been fucking awful at times as well - more so than as, as the table clearly indicates. Well the minset Martinez is trying to instill into his players is to get them into a mentalityvwhere they attempt and believe they can win every game. No he doesn't think they will or expect they can, he just wants them to believe they can and try to pull it off no matter who the opposition. I hope I don't need to explain the difference between this and the minset Pulis sends his team out with, which revolves around the concept that you start the game with a draw. Its been a struggle for him becuase as he says he took over from a managers who sees things more in the way Pulis does. They try to work openings with passing football, if they do go long it with a directed ball not a mindless punt up field. They commit more players to attacking the opposition than we do. Its more entertaining easier on the eye and provides better value for the paying supporter. No its not guaranteed to succeed, you'll probably lose more matches, you'll definitely conceed more goals. On the up side you hope to win more matches than you would otherwise have done, you should score more goals, fans enjoy it better players enjoy their football more. Please feel free to disagree but don't try to make me out to be a tool who does not understand what he's talking about because I aren't, I may just want different things than you. You must have been staring at a pic of Martinez because you missed us going out for a draw against Fulham at home, Wolves first half, Man City (twice), Wigan away, Arsenal, Villa away, and strolling it against Hull, Blackburn, WHU home, Burnley, Sunderland at home - Blackburn away we played some rite good nogga |
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Post by expectedtoulouse on Apr 23, 2010 16:41:14 GMT
Winning is all that matters. As Durban said 'if you want entertainment get off to the circus' with the other clowns. You can't win if you don't score goals march, and we all know that because of the "fulcrum" then we need a striker who will convert 100% of his chances or we need to play with a more expansive style that creates more chances. No striker in the world converts 100% of his chances, so I think the latter option is more realistic if we want to score some goals. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 23, 2010 16:42:57 GMT
And how would you go about doing that then Alster? What is the secret of Martinez's "success" (the one that's seeing him finish lower down the league than his predecessor)? What's the secret to his kind of football that makes them so good to watch? Wigan have played well at times this season and they've been fucking awful at times as well - more so than as, as the table clearly indicates. Well the minset Martinez is trying to instill into his players is to get them into a mentalityvwhere they attempt and believe they can win every game. No he doesn't think they will or expect they can, he just wants them to believe they can and try to pull it off no matter who the opposition. I hope I don't need to explain the difference between this and the minset Pulis sends his team out with, which revolves around the concept that you start the game with a draw. Its been a struggle for him becuase as he says he took over from a managers who sees things more in the way Pulis does. They try to work openings with passing football, if they do go long it with a directed ball not a mindless punt up field. They commit more players to attacking the opposition than we do. Its more entertaining easier on the eye and provides better value for the paying supporter. No its not guaranteed to succeed, you'll probably lose more matches, you'll definitely conceed more goals. On the up side you hope to win more matches than you would otherwise have done, you should score more goals, fans enjoy it better players enjoy their football more. Please feel free to disagree but don't try to make me out to be a tool who does not understand what he's talking about because I aren't, I may just want different things than you. Most of that is of course rubbish. Other than Sunday's one in a million comeback against Arsenal I can assure you that Wigan fans have not enjoyed this season as much as the more moribund, safe, Bruce ball or the Cup final provided by Jewell. Most West Brom fans I spoke to in the Premier League under Mowbray were genuinely suicdal. You are against the football we play and that is fair enough but to make out that there is some sort of bravery, derring-do or indeed heroism in playing losing football that way, is frankly idiotic. |
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Post by alster on Apr 23, 2010 16:42:58 GMT
Winning is all that matters. As Durban said 'if you want entertainment get off to the circus' with the other clowns. And what exactly did he win apart from promotion, its hardly like he was challenging for major honors any time during his managerial career. He was just another twat who could not careless about the supporters. and as one poster said about Tuncay. i was a Stokie before he came and I'll be a Stokie long after he's left. Sums up my feelings toward Pulis, which could be so much warmer if he didn't keep taking me for a twat. |
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Post by march4 on Apr 23, 2010 16:48:05 GMT
Winning is all that matters. As Durban said 'if you want entertainment get off to the circus' with the other clowns. And what exactly did he win apart from promotion, its hardly like he was challenging for major honors any time during his managerial career. He was just another twat who could not careless about the supporters. and as one poster said about Tuncay. i was a Stokie before he came and I'll be a Stokie long after he's left. Sums up my feelings toward Pulis, which could be so much warmer if he didn't keep taking me for a twat. After Waddo & TP, Durban has to be the third best manager in our recent history. Is there anyone you can be positive about??? |
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Post by alster on Apr 23, 2010 16:56:06 GMT
Well the minset Martinez is trying to instill into his players is to get them into a mentalityvwhere they attempt and believe they can win every game. No he doesn't think they will or expect they can, he just wants them to believe they can and try to pull it off no matter who the opposition. I hope I don't need to explain the difference between this and the minset Pulis sends his team out with, which revolves around the concept that you start the game with a draw. Its been a struggle for him becuase as he says he took over from a managers who sees things more in the way Pulis does. They try to work openings with passing football, if they do go long it with a directed ball not a mindless punt up field. They commit more players to attacking the opposition than we do. Its more entertaining easier on the eye and provides better value for the paying supporter. No its not guaranteed to succeed, you'll probably lose more matches, you'll definitely conceed more goals. On the up side you hope to win more matches than you would otherwise have done, you should score more goals, fans enjoy it better players enjoy their football more. Please feel free to disagree but don't try to make me out to be a tool who does not understand what he's talking about because I aren't, I may just want different things than you. You must have been staring at a pic of Martinez because you missed us going out for a draw against Fulham at home, Wolves first half, Man City (twice), Wigan away, Arsenal, Villa away, and strolling it against Hull, Blackburn, WHU home, Burnley, Sunderland at home - Blackburn away we played some rite good nogga I saw every minute of quite a few of those games and about an hour (Football first) of the others, there are certainly some good performances in there but you'll only be lying to yourself if you don't aknoweledge that theres been quite a lot of really really bad ones too, the sort of football that makes your eyes hurt Liverpool, Sunderland, Portsmouthx2 and quite a few more. I'm a Stoke fan my family are Stoke fans it costs us a lot of money to attend games all I'm asking for is a bit better value for money. |
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Post by march4 on Apr 23, 2010 16:58:00 GMT
You must have been staring at a pic of Martinez because you missed us going out for a draw against Fulham at home, Wolves first half, Man City (twice), Wigan away, Arsenal, Villa away, and strolling it against Hull, Blackburn, WHU home, Burnley, Sunderland at home - Blackburn away we played some rite good nogga I saw every minute of quite a few of those games and about an hour (Football first) of the others, there are certainly some good performances in there but you'll only be lying to yourself if you don't aknoweledge that theres been quite a lot of really really bad ones too, the sort of football that makes your eyes hurt Liverpool, Sunderland, Portsmouthx2 and quite a few more. I'm a Stoke fan my family are Stoke fans it costs us a lot of money to attend games all I'm asking for is a bit better value for money. We all want that, but we have to tread carefully. For every Wigan, there are 10 other clubs who have slipped down the league to obscurity. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2010 17:05:03 GMT
Winning is all that matters. As Durban said 'if you want entertainment get off to the circus' with the other clowns. And what exactly did he win apart from promotion, its hardly like he was challenging for major honors any time during his managerial career. He was just another twat who could not careless about the supporters. and as one poster said about Tuncay. i was a Stokie before he came and I'll be a Stokie long after he's left. Sums up my feelings toward Pulis, which could be so much warmer if he didn't keep taking me for a twat. Taking you for a twat by giving you the best time to be a Stoke supporter in around three decades? You say you can see things in context and then come out with shite like this. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2010 17:07:19 GMT
And how would you go about doing that then Alster? What is the secret of Martinez's "success" (the one that's seeing him finish lower down the league than his predecessor)? What's the secret to his kind of football that makes them so good to watch? Wigan have played well at times this season and they've been fucking awful at times as well - more so than as, as the table clearly indicates. Well the minset Martinez is trying to instill into his players is to get them into a mentalityvwhere they attempt and believe they can win every game. No he doesn't think they will or expect they can, he just wants them to believe they can and try to pull it off no matter who the opposition. I hope I don't need to explain the difference between this and the minset Pulis sends his team out with, which revolves around the concept that you start the game with a draw. Its been a struggle for him becuase as he says he took over from a managers who sees things more in the way Pulis does. They try to work openings with passing football, if they do go long it with a directed ball not a mindless punt up field. They commit more players to attacking the opposition than we do. Its more entertaining easier on the eye and provides better value for the paying supporter. No its not guaranteed to succeed, you'll probably lose more matches, you'll definitely conceed more goals. On the up side you hope to win more matches than you would otherwise have done, you should score more goals, fans enjoy it better players enjoy their football more. Please feel free to disagree but don't try to make me out to be a tool who does not understand what he's talking about because I aren't, I may just want different things than you. You seem to be basing your opinion of Wigan on one second half comeback against Arsenal? Exactly how much have you seen of them this season? |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Apr 23, 2010 17:08:59 GMT
You must have been staring at a pic of Martinez because you missed us going out for a draw against Fulham at home, Wolves first half, Man City (twice), Wigan away, Arsenal, Villa away, and strolling it against Hull, Blackburn, WHU home, Burnley, Sunderland at home - Blackburn away we played some rite good nogga I saw every minute of quite a few of those games and about an hour (Football first) of the others, there are certainly some good performances in there but you'll only be lying to yourself if you don't aknoweledge that theres been quite a lot of really really bad ones too, the sort of football that makes your eyes hurt Liverpool, Sunderland, Portsmouthx2 and quite a few more. I'm a Stoke fan my family are Stoke fans it costs us a lot of money to attend games all I'm asking for is a bit better value for money. That is indeed your choice and your view and you are of course entitled to it. For me, I travel 3 hours each way for our 'home' games and have missed 2 or 3 away games with my son for last four years (before that he was too young so went on me own). I can honestly say this is the most value for money I have had since me dad took me as a nipper in the early 70's. Of course there are games that you think bloody hell - Sunderland and Wolves away are the stand outs this season - but I cant remember us being dicked by Spurs by 9 and feeling that low. Bottom line is if it upsets you so much you may want to re-consider going to SToke if you feel that bad about it because whatever you or I think, Mr Coates and his family will stick by TP for a long time to come. Coming on here and venting you spleen everytime will change that fact not one jot. |
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Post by alster on Apr 23, 2010 17:12:23 GMT
And what exactly did he win apart from promotion, its hardly like he was challenging for major honors any time during his managerial career. He was just another twat who could not careless about the supporters. and as one poster said about Tuncay. i was a Stokie before he came and I'll be a Stokie long after he's left. Sums up my feelings toward Pulis, which could be so much warmer if he didn't keep taking me for a twat. After Waddo & TP, Durban has to be the third best manager in our recent history. Is there anyone you can be positive about??? I would never slag Waddo, I was quite fond of Lou, I had quite a bit of time for Mick Mills, didn't even mind Gudjohn. I could not really understand Boskamp's idea of football it sounded great when it came out of his mouth but seemed to translate into utter chaos on the pitch. Other managers we've had have had some very trying circumstances to deal with so get a bit of slack from me but the two who have really got under my skin have been Pulis and Durban they both seem to lack respect for the fans and the game itself. Its not lost on me that they are the two managers to have taken us into the top flight since waddo but I just say what I see and to me they are/were unpleasant football managers. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2010 17:13:31 GMT
After Waddo & TP, Durban has to be the third best manager in our recent history. Is there anyone you can be positive about??? I would never slag Waddo, I was quite fond of Lou, I had quite a bit of time for Mick Mills, didn't even mind Gudjohn. I could not really understand Boskamp's idea of football it sounded great when it came out of his mouth but seemed to translate into utter chaos on the pitch. Other managers we've had have had some very trying circumstances to deal with so get a bit of slack from me but the two who have really got under my skin have been Pulis and Durban they both seem to lack respect for the fans and the game itself. Its not lost on me that they are the two managers to have taken us into the top flight since waddo but I just say what I see and to me they are/were unpleasant football managers. Gudjon was every bit as defensive as Pulis if not more so, and against much worse opposition. |
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Post by alster on Apr 23, 2010 17:14:34 GMT
Well the minset Martinez is trying to instill into his players is to get them into a mentalityvwhere they attempt and believe they can win every game. No he doesn't think they will or expect they can, he just wants them to believe they can and try to pull it off no matter who the opposition. I hope I don't need to explain the difference between this and the minset Pulis sends his team out with, which revolves around the concept that you start the game with a draw. Its been a struggle for him becuase as he says he took over from a managers who sees things more in the way Pulis does. They try to work openings with passing football, if they do go long it with a directed ball not a mindless punt up field. They commit more players to attacking the opposition than we do. Its more entertaining easier on the eye and provides better value for the paying supporter. No its not guaranteed to succeed, you'll probably lose more matches, you'll definitely conceed more goals. On the up side you hope to win more matches than you would otherwise have done, you should score more goals, fans enjoy it better players enjoy their football more. Please feel free to disagree but don't try to make me out to be a tool who does not understand what he's talking about because I aren't, I may just want different things than you. Most of that is of course rubbish. Other than Sunday's one in a million comeback against Arsenal I can assure you that Wigan fans have not enjoyed this season as much as the more moribund, safe, Bruce ball or the Cup final provided by Jewell. Most West Brom fans I spoke to in the Premier League under Mowbray were genuinely suicdal. You are against the football we play and that is fair enough but to make out that there is some sort of bravery, derring-do or indeed heroism in playing losing football that way, is frankly idiotic. Yeh they musta hated beating Chelsea. fucking tool. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2010 17:15:59 GMT
Most of that is of course rubbish. Other than Sunday's one in a million comeback against Arsenal I can assure you that Wigan fans have not enjoyed this season as much as the more moribund, safe, Bruce ball or the Cup final provided by Jewell. Most West Brom fans I spoke to in the Premier League under Mowbray were genuinely suicdal. You are against the football we play and that is fair enough but to make out that there is some sort of bravery, derring-do or indeed heroism in playing losing football that way, is frankly idiotic. Yeh they musta hated beating Chelsea. fucking tool. Getting dicked by Pompey in the league must have been fun too. |
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Post by alster on Apr 23, 2010 17:19:53 GMT
And what exactly did he win apart from promotion, its hardly like he was challenging for major honors any time during his managerial career. He was just another twat who could not careless about the supporters. and as one poster said about Tuncay. i was a Stokie before he came and I'll be a Stokie long after he's left. Sums up my feelings toward Pulis, which could be so much warmer if he didn't keep taking me for a twat. Taking you for a twat by giving you the best time to be a Stoke supporter in around three decades? You say you can see things in context and then come out with shite like this. Well Rob when I pay good money to go and see a game of football and my team sets out to spoil the game rather than play it. I feel like I'm being taken for a twat sorry you think thats shite. |
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Post by alster on Apr 23, 2010 17:22:26 GMT
I would never slag Waddo, I was quite fond of Lou, I had quite a bit of time for Mick Mills, didn't even mind Gudjohn. I could not really understand Boskamp's idea of football it sounded great when it came out of his mouth but seemed to translate into utter chaos on the pitch. Other managers we've had have had some very trying circumstances to deal with so get a bit of slack from me but the two who have really got under my skin have been Pulis and Durban they both seem to lack respect for the fans and the game itself. Its not lost on me that they are the two managers to have taken us into the top flight since waddo but I just say what I see and to me they are/were unpleasant football managers. Gudjon was every bit as defensive as Pulis if not more so, and against much worse opposition. You base that on what? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2010 17:23:06 GMT
Taking you for a twat by giving you the best time to be a Stoke supporter in around three decades? You say you can see things in context and then come out with shite like this. Well Rob when I pay good money to go and see a game of football and my team sets out to spoil the game rather than play it. I feel like I'm being taken for a twat sorry you think thats shite. We didn't set out to spoil the Bolton game. The Wolves game was shite but we set out to win that. We didn't set out to spoil any of the Man City games this year, or the Arsenal games. Or the Fulham game. Burnley and Wigan away we had the chances to win the game. So which games exactly have we set out to spoil lately? And why is it ok for Gudjon to set out to spoil a game but not Pulis? Your argument just doesn't stand up mate. |
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Post by alster on Apr 23, 2010 17:25:30 GMT
Well the minset Martinez is trying to instill into his players is to get them into a mentalityvwhere they attempt and believe they can win every game. No he doesn't think they will or expect they can, he just wants them to believe they can and try to pull it off no matter who the opposition. I hope I don't need to explain the difference between this and the minset Pulis sends his team out with, which revolves around the concept that you start the game with a draw. Its been a struggle for him becuase as he says he took over from a managers who sees things more in the way Pulis does. They try to work openings with passing football, if they do go long it with a directed ball not a mindless punt up field. They commit more players to attacking the opposition than we do. Its more entertaining easier on the eye and provides better value for the paying supporter. No its not guaranteed to succeed, you'll probably lose more matches, you'll definitely conceed more goals. On the up side you hope to win more matches than you would otherwise have done, you should score more goals, fans enjoy it better players enjoy their football more. Please feel free to disagree but don't try to make me out to be a tool who does not understand what he's talking about because I aren't, I may just want different things than you. You seem to be basing your opinion of Wigan on one second half comeback against Arsenal? Exactly how much have you seen of them this season? I've seen bits on television like most others and no you're wrong I base it mainly on our two games this season. I know we took a point from both and could easily have won both but for me Wigan played by far the better football in each game. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2010 17:25:42 GMT
Gudjon was every bit as defensive as Pulis if not more so, and against much worse opposition. You base that on what? On him constantly playing five at the back at home to the terrifying likes of Cambridge, Wycombe and Peterborough. On him being a hoof merchant as well. On him clearly playing for a draw in big games and trying to nick something, like playing 6 centre halves at Brentford, like the Walsall fiasco where he played a bizarre 4-5-1 with JOC at right back and 20 goal Peter Thorne on the bench. Like the Everton cup game he totally bottled by playing 4-5-1 at home with Iwelumo up front on his own. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2010 17:27:18 GMT
You seem to be basing your opinion of Wigan on one second half comeback against Arsenal? Exactly how much have you seen of them this season? I've seen bits on television like most others and no you're wrong I base it mainly on our two games this season. I know we took a point from both and could easily have won both but for me Wigan played by far the better football in each game. We created a bagful of chances in the home game at Wigan and played some excellent stuff between Fuller, Tuncay and Etherington. Three games and 5 mins here and there on MOTD doesn't seem a huge amount to base an opinion on. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Apr 23, 2010 17:29:00 GMT
You seem to be basing your opinion of Wigan on one second half comeback against Arsenal? Exactly how much have you seen of them this season? I've seen bits on television like most others and no you're wrong I base it mainly on our two games this season. I know we took a point from both and could easily have won both but for me Wigan played by far the better football in each game. I have tried to be follow you and respond civil until this - but Wigan played better footie than us in our two games - what utter bollox - and you base your love in with Wigan on our two games - Wigan aint far way bud and you could probably easily park there and get away easier than at the Brit |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 23, 2010 17:34:09 GMT
alster: Wigan completely outplayed us in the first half at the DW. Pulis gave, for me, the best managerial performance in his time at Stoke when he switched players around and changed the play several times and we completely dominated the second half and should have won but for Mama hitting the bar with the goal wide open from a few yards. It was an excellent come back and we deserved to win. At home,I thought it was a pretty poor game although Wigan were a little unlucky. Very little between us to be honest and that is credit to us given that they have (by and large) better players than us in some key areas. They have been walloped at Portsmouth this season and let in 9 against Spurs (where we won). They are 8 points behind us in the league and, until two weeks ago, looking prime candidates for relegation. If you want to admire them as something for us to aim at then good luck to you. I think you're deluding yourself.
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Post by alster on Apr 23, 2010 17:38:46 GMT
On him constantly playing five at the back at home to the terrifying likes of Cambridge, Wycombe and Peterborough. On him being a hoof merchant as well. On him clearly playing for a draw in big games and trying to nick something, like playing 6 centre halves at Brentford, like the Walsall fiasco where he played a bizarre 4-5-1 with JOC at right back and 20 goal Peter Thorne on the bench. Like the Everton cup game he totally bottled by playing 4-5-1 at home with Iwelumo up front on his own. I'm not going to argue on this Rob maybe my memory is clouded with regard to Thordarson but I thought I usually found Gudjohn's teams to have a slightly more attacking balance than Pulis'. It would be quite easy to play five at the back and still have a more attacking balance than a Pulis team, actually with raiding full backs 5:3:2 can be a very attacking formation, it could even work for Pulis he would still be able to deploy his three midfield spoilers unfortunately he would have to leave out one of his four centre halves. |
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Post by jarhead on Apr 23, 2010 17:39:17 GMT
Just a quick point Wigan are never last on MOTD are they?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 23, 2010 17:42:16 GMT
Thanks for your response alster and thanks for confirming that you are not a harmless nob at all.
You are a grade A, full on penis.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2010 17:43:05 GMT
On him constantly playing five at the back at home to the terrifying likes of Cambridge, Wycombe and Peterborough. On him being a hoof merchant as well. On him clearly playing for a draw in big games and trying to nick something, like playing 6 centre halves at Brentford, like the Walsall fiasco where he played a bizarre 4-5-1 with JOC at right back and 20 goal Peter Thorne on the bench. Like the Everton cup game he totally bottled by playing 4-5-1 at home with Iwelumo up front on his own. I'm not going to argue on this Rob maybe my memory is clouded with regard to Thordarson but I thought I usually found Gudjohn's teams to have a slightly more attacking balance than Pulis'. It would be quite easy to play five at the back and still have a more attacking balance than a Pulis team, actually with raiding full backs 5:3:2 can be a very attacking formation, it could even work for Pulis he would still be able to deploy his three midfield spoilers unfortunately he would have to leave out one of his four centre halves. The full backs were certainly more attacking but that doesn't change the fact that we played an ineffective 5 man defence at home to inferior teams and hoofed the ball to the frontment. It's harder to understand us playing like that then, when we had better resources than most of the teams in that division, than now, when we are still small fries in this league compared to the top 8 or so. It also doesn't change the fact that Gudjon continually shat himself in the big games and would panic and play either five at the back or in midfield with a lumbering ox up front. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Apr 23, 2010 17:43:57 GMT
Just a quick point Wigan are never last on MOTD are they? Nah - 9 - 1 dickings ensure that |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2010 17:44:15 GMT
Just a quick point Wigan are never last on MOTD are they? No, they're a fixture in the first three games they show. They should rename it "Wigan of the Day". Gary Lineker never shuts up about them. |
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