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Post by owdestokie on May 17, 2016 11:39:43 GMT
For all we know both the player himself and the manager might agree that he's a better CF than wide player, but the manager will pick what he thinks is the best overall combination for that particular game. A couple of years ago I was speaking to an experienced manager ( not TP or LMH ! ) who said that one thing he liked about Walters was that he has the willingness and the intelligence to play any role a manager wants him to. He said some players have the willingness but not the intelligence and some vice-versa. I thought that was interesting. But not intelligent enough to learn the offside rule!!!! Alternatively he's too intelligent with his runs for those who continually pass sideways or backwards |
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Post by owdestokie on May 15, 2016 20:52:55 GMT
....in the first half frustration was a little understandable but thanks to hughes he stuck to his guns.... as he said - the team is not set up for long ball (until its needed) the team did a brilliant job on the ground!!! v Both yourself and Leslie ate right. One attempt at goal on the 38th minute is a crowd pleaser and game changer |
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Post by owdestokie on May 15, 2016 20:42:41 GMT
He was a main player throughout. He picked up and made more passes than anyone, he was always available. A core team/back bone player which doesn't suit your opinion as it links back to the values of a previous omanager. Trust a succession of managers/ coaches at International and Premiership level who see his value or doesn't that suit Sorry Owe, he was very poor today. A great example of how to imitate a crab. Similar pace, similar outlook- sideways and backwards. He has been an absolute bargain and an excellent player, but if we are to move forward, he has to become a squad player. Sorry to disagree. He picked up and gave more passes ( plus tackles in all areas, total involvement) than any other. If players don't move off the ball what is he supposed to do? If there was a game tomorrow he would be one of Leslie's first names on the team sheet. In time we will improve on GW but don't underestimate his value to the team at present. He (plus Shawcross/JW) typified what we would should be about, which will allow or so called flair players to play the in fits and starts during a game |
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Post by owdestokie on May 15, 2016 19:45:44 GMT
Good job he did something today. He was diabolical. He was a main player throughout. He picked up and made more passes than anyone, he was always available. A core team/back bone player which doesn't suit your opinion as it links back to the values of a previous manager. Trust a succession of managers/coaches at International and Premiership level who see his value or doesn't that suit |
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Post by owdestokie on May 15, 2016 19:35:26 GMT
Who was he giving a right bollocking at about 78 minutes?, someone got a proper gob full. Hew also give Wooly a major rollicking as did SJW |
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Post by owdestokie on May 15, 2016 19:32:47 GMT
I like him and its ridiculous he hasn't been given a proper run of games. Not being personal about an individual (player). What do you like about him? |
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Post by owdestokie on May 15, 2016 19:30:41 GMT
Has never had a real run of games to fully judge him and it's notoriously hard to judge people on their first season. But.... ...assuming we go big on a £20m striker over the summer as the new main man, has he done enough for us to persevere with him next year in "the group". Or should we be looking to cut our losses? He doesn't strike me personally as someone who's going to be suited to the Premier League. Sorry. Not a Premiership player, end off. |
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Post by owdestokie on May 14, 2016 20:30:10 GMT
Some of the comments on here say far more about what bitter, nasty cunts the posters are than it says anything about west brom! 1) west brom aren't playing bradford you thick fuckers so bradford has fuck all to do with it 2) it's west brom that make the gesture so you slag of liverpool for not remembering heysel? What kind of fucking braindead logic is that???? 3) a lot of the liverpool fans there tomorrow will personally have known those that died and/or those that fought for 27 years just to get the truth what happened out of the authorities. What's wrong with showing a bit of respect towards them exactly? They're doing something decent out of respect...seems a lot on here have no idea what that word even means as they're too busy desperately trying to find something/someone to moan at 24/7! Embarrassment to this board some posters are. Really does beggar belief the levels some will stoop to just to make snidey comments. Trolling from nasty, thick pricks is alive and well on the oatcake it would seem!!! Totally agree. What used to be a great message board is now basically overrun with twats. Sincere apologies I pressed the wrong tab. You and several posters are bang on. |
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Post by owdestokie on May 14, 2016 8:37:52 GMT
Brilliant  An absolute pisser  |
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Post by owdestokie on May 11, 2016 20:23:39 GMT
Just out of interest can anyone explain this £100m. Which players and which years? Its always interested me where this figure has come from Season 1: Kitson, Sonko, Olofinjana, Davies, Abdy Faye, Amdy Faye, Higgy, Soares, Tonge, Beattie, Ethers = £26m Season 2: Tuncay, Huth, Collins, Arismendi, Whitehead, Begovic = £26m Season 3: Jones, Gudjohnsen, Walters, Wilson, Pennant = £17m Season 4: Crouch, Palacios, Jerome = £20m Season 5: Cameron, Kightly, Adam, Nzonzi, Shea, Butland = £16m Interesting. Where some were free transfers. I suppose £100m spent and gaining about £70m for each of the five seasons (£350M) would be seen by many as a good long term investment |
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Post by owdestokie on May 11, 2016 11:53:35 GMT
That's because we were a newly promoted side and the top 10 was never a realistic expectation. Hughes has built on top of what was already there and to be perfectly honest, now the Pulis boys have pretty much all gone or played past their peak, we seem to be striding backwards at an alarming pace. Hughes may be a better football manager but, he's not a better Stoke City manager than Pulis. Yet. IMO. We weren't a newly promoted side five years and £100m in were we? Why was it a realistic expectation on a reduced budget but not the season before that, or before that, or before that? Just out of interest can anyone explain this £100m. Which players and which years? Its always interested me where this figure has come from |
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Post by owdestokie on May 8, 2016 6:31:16 GMT
Pace, power, aggressive direct football. Direct football with a mixture of passing styles. The game is about scoring more goals than the opposition, entertainment is about getting people's backsides of their seats.
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Post by owdestokie on May 6, 2016 21:51:24 GMT
The facts are that a number of professional managers and coaches have a different opinion as yours which have led to him making about 200 appearances for SCFC and almost 40 caps for his country. Possibly they or is it you are in the wrong jobs. Just out of interest, what is his significant contribution to this season? Just to make my working Friday go a bit quicker. It should give me a laugh if nothing else If the last post was a teeny bit to articulate how about "go fuck yourself". If it clarifies things  |
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Post by owdestokie on May 6, 2016 21:48:14 GMT
The facts are that a number of professional managers and coaches have a different opinion as yours which have led to him making about 200 appearances for SCFC and almost 40 caps for his country. Possibly they or is it you are in the wrong jobs. Just out of interest, what is his significant contribution to this season? Just to make my working Friday go a bit quicker. It should give me a laugh if nothing else I love to engage in constructive debate and discussion about football per say and all its ingredients be it players, clubs, managers, referees etc. It's unfortunate you can't converse on the level of an adult or even a child so I'll end by saying you're a "tit" full stop. Enjoy yourself. |
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Post by owdestokie on May 6, 2016 11:11:33 GMT
Bit of a pathetic response to a factual post. Is Walters a forward player? Are we amongst the lowest scorers in all 4 divisions? I think describing this significant contribution comment as factual is stretching it. Surely it is a matter of opinion as to whether his contribution is significant or not. It certainly isn't a fact. The facts are that a number of professional managers and coaches have a different opinion as yours which have led to him making about 200 appearances for SCFC and almost 40 caps for his country. Possibly they or is it you are in the wrong jobs. |
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Post by owdestokie on May 5, 2016 18:48:31 GMT
It shouldn't surprise anyone that jon Walters isn't a fan of trying to play football. He's made a career, and a very good one at that, of being a footballer whose best attributes involve not having the ball. Pity it was huth that left for Leicester and not Walters. What a fool you are with your stupid childish remarks about a player who both international and club managers have continued to pick. A player who played (and continues to do so) a significant part in cementing our position in the richest league in the world, a European adventure and cup final. Hey ho carry on spouting utter shite. You could seek support from our Chairman who I'm sure would concur with you opinion on his past, present and potential value to SCFC ???????????????????? |
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Post by owdestokie on Apr 27, 2016 20:14:18 GMT
Its not worth putting on here it just starts abuse. ...and this is the problem. You will just get abuse or called pond life or whatever. You may agree with the verdict and pretty much agree on 99% of the facts but if you are prepared to stand up and say that you think fans have to bear some of the responsibility then you get dogs abuse. Well, I'll take the dogs abuse and even happy to have the 'wrong' opinion before I accept that fans have no resonsibility when at football matches or to be absolved of any wrongdoing when things go against them just because it goes on up and down the country. If we think that the police and the authorities are there to protect us without fallability and we as fans can do whatever we fucking want then that is the day I will be less likely to go to football. There is a tin hat coming on here and I have to agree with MCF's last post. ALL parties have a responsibility to consider their actions and how they may impact upon others. Unfortunately life isn't like that and thats why different professional agencies have to assess, consider and cater for this accordingly. No doubt there would have been reckless individuals who would push to the limit normal behaviour on the day, at the hour. HOWEVER thats where the professionals step in. In this case they didn't and the outcome is well documented. The core of the matter now is the lies and deceit (for many years) by senior public officials to deny any culpability whatsoever, using the media to perpetuate their dishonesty and deceit. . An absolute disgrace!!! |
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Post by owdestokie on Apr 26, 2016 21:03:15 GMT
.....even though we are not in a relegation battle Why? We are playing Sunderland who are fighting relegation. Is this why we should be treating the game as a cup final? If yes I've lost the plot |
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Post by owdestokie on Apr 26, 2016 20:55:48 GMT
An absolute icon. All you have to do is check out his goals per game ratio, waves to the fans and chasing lost causes |
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Post by owdestokie on Apr 26, 2016 20:43:46 GMT
She turned the police into a political force who though they were above the law and could lie in court and would be believed because they were the police.I personally knew Paul Murrary he used to watch Normacot Crusaders on a Sunday morning were his dad Tony played,I remember our manager John Lewis breaking the news to all of Tony's team mates on the Sunday morning,as if it was yesterday.RIP Paul. now it's, Margaret Thatchers fault, unbelievable. How much lower is this board going to get? It wasn't Thatchers fault. You're absolutely correct, however She and other senior public servants were an integral part to a massive cover up. I wonder if the Murdoch press will show any form of contrition following the outcome of today's outcome? Until today (and I apologise) I didn't realise one of our community was a victim of that terrible day. Those who used this message board in the not to distant past to make outlandshish statements should hang their heads in shame. That's if they can read and have any form of moral standards. Sincere thoughts of goodwill and envy should be with all those who have faught all sorts of discrimination, lies and barriers for many years. |
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Post by owdestokie on Apr 26, 2016 15:03:04 GMT
Also bear in mind that they continued their attempted cover up at this inquest. I'm assuming that Duckinfield will be tried and convicted but the interesting thing will be how far and wide they will be able to mount prosecutions and get convictions for the cover up. One hopes that there will be many former senior police officers who will not sleep soundly in the their beds - but will any politicians be dragged into the criminal justice system? A past Prime Minister, Home Secretary and Chief of Police may have had questions to answer. Plus the FA, Sheffield Council and Sheffield Wednesday possibly have liabilities |
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Post by owdestokie on Apr 23, 2016 22:20:43 GMT
Beating City, Utd, Chelsea in the cup, semi final, most away wins since we have been in the Prem, seeing players that I wouldn't dream of 5 years ago wear our shirt, attractive football... shall I go on? I'll go on: Shit pedestrian plodding football at home Three most expensive signings who cost the best part of 40 million and have made minimal impact A complete inability to defend/score from corners Letting a great centre half go for peanuts A complete lack of pace in the team Flogging the players to death over the Christmas period with a semi final imminent No idea how to beat teams that press high up the park Etc etc etc. I was one of the few who was happy when we appointed Hughes but for me he's had a really bad season. I don't want him gone but for me he needs to have a serious rethink about the way he plays. At home it's been boring. Succinct and correct unfortunately |
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Post by owdestokie on Apr 17, 2016 20:13:28 GMT
I see he went the wrong way for the pen' as usual.  s Are you talking about a player that we signed, "earned a wage"more often than not, we made a transfer profit on, I was always an excellent public ambassador for SCFC and left us (perhaps mistakenly) to progress his personal career or are you one of a few that wants to continually snipe at an ex player. Plus, Before someone comes on here and suggests he refused to play, no one on here knows diddly shit. Bego whatever he was/is was a valuable player that helped secure our Premiership status. |
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Post by owdestokie on Apr 17, 2016 7:30:40 GMT
N Sorry. "Not by design".......... "I don't get it". A bit of a chicken and egg situation then. If counter attacking football requires pace ( you're right) why play it without? Just a difference of opinion that's all ???????? You need pace generally in today's game - certainly in English football. We suffered for the lack of it at the end of the last regime. when we couldn't score for toffee, and we suffer for it now, when we're again struggling to score goals. I don't see the connection to square pegs and round holes. We're not deliberately ponderous, it's a failing, not a strategy. Chief Sorry to disagree "the failing" is the strategy unless you do something about it. We play far to deliberately across the back at times and neither wide player nor full backs have pace to burn. Only Diouf has anything like pace but I'm not sure he's up to it at the level we wish to attain. If we don't have the players with pace surely a much faster direct passing game would be more appropriate, glimpse's we see far to rarely. My thoughts but perhaps thats why I pay to watch rather than standing on the touchline |
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Post by owdestokie on Apr 17, 2016 6:16:31 GMT
Because quite often we play at a pedestrian pace Not by design though. We play counter attacking football which demands pace. N Sorry. "Not by design".......... "I don't get it". A bit of a chicken and egg situation then. If counter attacking football requires pace ( you're right) why play it without? Just a difference of opinion that's all ???????? |
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Post by owdestokie on Apr 16, 2016 21:45:16 GMT
Surely having pace in our current style of play would be similar to playing square pegs in round holes I don't get it. Because quite often we play at a pedestrian pace |
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Post by owdestokie on Apr 15, 2016 21:30:42 GMT
Surely having pace in our current style of play would be similar to playing square pegs in round holes |
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Post by owdestokie on Apr 9, 2016 22:21:28 GMT
Absolute fucking bollocks. Oh I forgot all Liverpool fans have St Peter on their back! You talk utter bollocks! Unfortunately you don't like the truth are you a closet Scouser? Are you a closet scumbag or simply just a scumbag. You should be ashamed of yourself as many on here will be by your thoughts and comments. Just think of me and others as "simple" human beings |
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Post by owdestokie on Apr 9, 2016 15:42:31 GMT
Personally I find the thread title distasteful to the extreme and I'm disappointed that the admin team haven't binned the thread. You want to wake up and smell the coffee every footy fan knows Scousers are the scum of the earth, the Scousers caused the problems at Hillsborough by 100's turning up with out tickets and trying to get in without paying. I find your comments unbelievably naive! Naive? Children died you cretin. By the way SCFC have "scum of the earth" following (not supporting) the club. I wonder which camp you sit in? |
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Post by owdestokie on Apr 9, 2016 8:34:11 GMT
You see Owdestokie, I have no personal, political or sick agenda. This is a message board to post, chat, laugh , live and debate all things football. I posted this light heartedly based mainly on the sickly over exposure that the fantastic Liverpool fans get every time they are televised. Read the quoted article, not the first time is it? Were you at the Brit in December? Flares can maim or worse yet this is 4 times I know of in recent months that this has happened. Put your Hillsborough goggles away and read between the lines. Scallys to a man, yet never their fault. "Read between the lines"....."a message board to chat and laugh". I have my own thoughts about LFC fans being the darlings of the media and the hype surrounding their support but I stand steadfast that the title of your post was/is distasteful. Their were children who lost their lives that day and if you and some other posters on this subject cannot "chat" constructively about the rights and wrongs on both sides it really saddens me. Let's have some dignity and respect for the innocent "victims" of that tragedy that simply went to watch a game of football. After all we're all football supporters |
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