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Post by trentvale68 on May 7, 2016 16:57:07 GMT
Honest question, not totally to do with recent results but do you, secretly, prefer it??
Personally, I have to say, when it's done well, give it me all day
All this fannying around at the back & pointless, going nowhere build up play??!!
Why does a defender need to pass sideways to another defender anyway?
Im no scholar of the game but I don't really get the thing for it, its passing for the sake of it and unless you're Barcelona does it really come off that often?
Its worked pretty well for Leicester (even though I fucking hate them)
I guess its why I have such fond memories of the Macari/Stein years. It makes me cringe when people say playing the 'right way' or even worse the 'Vale/Crewe way'
There isn't a 'right way' to play. the object is to put the ball in the net more often than the other lot. Anything else is pretty irrelevant
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on May 7, 2016 17:05:03 GMT
Simple answer, NO!
We finished today's game with Crouch (who had a terrible game) and Walters and looked pretty hopeless, so that doesn't look like an answer does it.
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Post by fca47 on May 7, 2016 17:06:36 GMT
It isn't about the long ball game or not, it's the desire to win, we just look bereft of the ambition to take games to other sides. If we make a few tippy tappy passes we seem to happy, no desire to get in the box and put the ball in the net.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on May 7, 2016 17:06:45 GMT
The premier league seems to be going down the pressing game route with high tempo fast football which we are light years away from
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Post by ryan4england on May 7, 2016 17:09:59 GMT
give me a Pulis competitive & physical edge with pressing football all day over pretty/unpretty slow paced posession football. If Pulis played square pegs in square holes, fullbacks as fullbacks, looked up the table instead of down, did away with bonus games, and added a sprinkling of effective flair he'd be the perfect manager imo
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Post by maninasuitcase on May 7, 2016 17:10:35 GMT
Honest question, not totally to do with recent results but do you, secretly, prefer it??
Personally, I have to say, when it's done well, give it me all day
All this fannying around at the back & pointless, going nowhere build up play??!!
Why does a defender need to pass sideways to another defender anyway?
Im no scholar of the game but I don't really get the thing for it, its passing for the sake of it and unless you're Barcelona does it really come off that often?
Its worked pretty well for Leicester (even though I fucking hate them)
I guess its why I have such fond memories of the Macari/Stein years. It makes me cringe when people say playing the 'right way' or even worse the 'Vale/Crewe way'
There isn't a 'right way' to play. the object is to put the ball in the net more often than the other lot. Anything else is pretty irrelevant
Is it just me stuck in the Neolithic times?? Given our recent efforts yes. Mind you we are bereft of pace and ideas so I doubt if it will work. |
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Post by SamB_SCFC on May 7, 2016 17:10:55 GMT
It isn't about one style or the other, or Hughes vs Pulis, it's about winning entertaining football. What we're playing right now is just as dull to watch as anything served up under Pulis. The only difference being at least Pulis' worst football could grind out a few results while this shit is just getting us dicked every week.
We desperately need to find a middle ground because right now it seems like Hughes is focusing too much on being the opposite of Pulis than trying to find a winning formula. If being opposite to Pulis is what he wants then he's certainly succeeded because this is as opposite as you can possibly get.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 17:11:20 GMT
I like the way we played at the back end of the first season under Hughes. Our football was fast an incisive with mobility throughout the team and Odemwingie breaking from wide positions.This season especially at home we have looked so pedestrian. Its been bloody awful and for me as bad as anything Pulis served up. The sides been unsettled through injuries and a number of bizarre decisions from Hughes but a very frustrating season. Our three big signings have been very ordinary.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 7, 2016 17:12:36 GMT
No but the majority of the stuff served up this season is as boring.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 17:13:07 GMT
No
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Post by ravey123 on May 7, 2016 17:13:32 GMT
The premier league seems to be going down the pressing game route with high tempo fast football which we are light years away from That is what really worries me about next season. Even if you ignore the last 6 weeks or so we have struggled against pressing teams all season and been better against teams that want to try to keep the ball. With the success of Leicester's pressing game you can bet your bottom dollar that there will be far more teams playing pressing football next season - they see it as a way to combat the glamour boys with less budget. Due to that we either learn to combat it quickly (and you could argue that due to the success of Leicester and number of away wins in general nobody has worked out how to counteract it this season) or change our style to a pressing game - problem is I'm not sure Mark Hughes has ever had a pressing type team and it would take one hell of a turn around of players - I am genuinely very worried about next season without some major changes in attitude, style or personnel (or all 3 of these) |
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on May 7, 2016 17:15:55 GMT
It's not about preferring long ball it's about preferring a committed, going all out to win, blood and thunder style of football which we could and should be playing with any 'style'. What we play now is behind the times and would have been poor 5 or 6 years ago when it was all the rage.
Hughes is a bit like a teacher at the moment who is refusing to move with the times, still teaching lessons from a blackboard and refusing to accept that he needs to change.
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Post by chrisparker on May 7, 2016 17:16:25 GMT
give me a Pulis competitive & physical edge with pressing football all day over pretty/unpretty slow paced posession football. If Pulis played square pegs in square holes, fullbacks as fullbacks, looked up the table instead of down, did away with bonus games, and added a sprinkling of effective flair he'd be the perfect manager imo Pulis & perfect manager cannot be mentioned in the same sentence together unless of course the sentence is "Pulis isn't anywhere close to being a perfect manager". If Pulis did all those things you mentioned, he wouldn't be Pulis, he'd be Mourhino. |
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Post by Gods on May 7, 2016 17:18:11 GMT
I am a straight 'outcomes' man, I don't too much mind about the aesthetics of how they come about but good results are my thing.
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Post by wuzza on May 7, 2016 17:18:26 GMT
Long mis-placed passes ..... endless short passes going nowhere (slowly). Devil and the deep blue isn't it. At least under the former system things happened a bit quicker and with a bit more umphh.
I suggest a spell watching how Leicester use pace, power, a bit of skill and that clever trick of not over complicating matters would do our coaches good.
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Post by no1972 on May 7, 2016 17:19:04 GMT
Football is not about long ball short ball or tippy tappy.Its about finding a balance between all and when required during a game playing the right game,we don't mix it enough ,win the ball score goals then play the tippy tappy.No we play tippy tappy and expect the oppersition to lie down,our best results this season have been against teams who allow you space and don't press,the problem 75% of teams don't allow you time and space.MH is tactically inept .
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Post by Pugsley on May 7, 2016 17:20:02 GMT
give me a Pulis competitive & physical edge with pressing football all day over pretty/unpretty slow paced posession football. If Pulis played square pegs in square holes, fullbacks as fullbacks, looked up the table instead of down, did away with bonus games, and added a sprinkling of effective flair he'd be the perfect manager imo Lol, if my aunty had bollocks... What a ridiculous post. |
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Post by hatchett on May 7, 2016 17:20:48 GMT
Play like Leicester. That'll do me ????
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 7, 2016 17:20:54 GMT
Long mis-placed passes ..... endless short passes going nowhere (slowly). Devil and the deep blue isn't it. At least under the former system things happened a bit quicker and with a bit more umphh. I suggest a spell watching how Leicester use pace, power, a bit of skill and that clever trick of not over complicating matters would do our coaches good. Or just looking at us when we've been at our best under Hughes will do. Diouf up front, Wingie on the right, 2 central midfielders pressing high, fast incisive passing from back to front. It's all been there just very rarely this season. |
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Post by ryan4england on May 7, 2016 17:21:28 GMT
give me a Pulis competitive & physical edge with pressing football all day over pretty/unpretty slow paced posession football. If Pulis played square pegs in square holes, fullbacks as fullbacks, looked up the table instead of down, did away with bonus games, and added a sprinkling of effective flair he'd be the perfect manager imo Pulis & perfect manager cannot be mentioned in the same sentence together unless of course the sentence is "Pulis isn't anywhere close to being a perfect manager". If Pulis did all those things you mentioned, he wouldn't be Pulis, he'd be Mourhino. Is that a compliment in disguise because each of them could be easily rectified if he wanted too? We used to take good set piece organisation, work rate and solidness as standard and see it as no frills but it's all of those frills we lack at the moment |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 17:22:03 GMT
No.
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Post by ryan4england on May 7, 2016 17:22:21 GMT
give me a Pulis competitive & physical edge with pressing football all day over pretty/unpretty slow paced posession football. If Pulis played square pegs in square holes, fullbacks as fullbacks, looked up the table instead of down, did away with bonus games, and added a sprinkling of effective flair he'd be the perfect manager imo Lol, if my aunty had bollocks... What a ridiculous post. give me a Pulis competitive & physical edge with pressing football all day over pretty/unpretty slow paced posession football, all day every day. We're pushovers these days |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 17:22:50 GMT
Play like Leicester. That'll do me ???? Normal service will be resumed next season. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 7, 2016 17:23:24 GMT
Simple answer, NO! We finished today's game with Crouch (who had a terrible game) and Walters and looked pretty hopeless, so that doesn't look like an answer does it. Crouch and Walters? Oh dear. I thought/hoped those days were long gone |
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Post by supersimonstainrod on May 7, 2016 18:00:46 GMT
I don't think launching long hopeful diagonals at an isolated target man in the hope something 'drops' is the answer.Similarly I acknowledge that at the moment we resemble Tony Mowbray's West Brom team: nice triangles,lots of neat passes but all laborious and in front of our opponents back 4 or 8 even.
I don't think either,that just signing quick players is the universal panacea to our ills,it will definitely help but we need to move the ball quicker (doesn't necessarily mean launching it 80 yards,) but the question for me is do we have the the players to play that way? as regards forwards yes,but midfielders and defenders I'm not so sure.
I think MH really needs to decide what he wants us to be over the Summer,if he's adamant he wants to play a high line and play in the opposition half then we really do have to press the opposition to force them to turn the ball over in dangerous areas,then that has to be a collective effort including our front players, or do we defend deep, a la Leicester,draw teams onto us,and hit them on the break.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 7, 2016 18:12:20 GMT
Nowt wrong with the way play, we just need some pace in the side, and some fecker who knows where the net is.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 18:12:53 GMT
The argument for me is which style wins in a battle? Which style do fans flock to see?
Brazil are flair and Germany Power both win world cups, but we all know who we want to win.
So flair has romance "How the game should be played" many describe it.
Hard work and graft has reward for effort. "They deserve it for the effort they put in"
Marmite question isn't it.
For me I want both, as one without the other never really works.
I haven't seen the flair at Stoke for a long time, the joy of Arnis goals or those of Shaq , things of beauty will live long in the memory. They are a collectors item.
The hard work and effort of SJW or Whelan is forgotten in a moment.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 18:14:12 GMT
They're all out tonight.
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Post by milky on May 7, 2016 18:19:04 GMT
I know one thing I never want to go back to...
That's watching my team not attempt to win a football match
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Post by Davef on May 7, 2016 18:19:46 GMT
Lol, if my aunty had bollocks... What a ridiculous post. give me a Pulis competitive & physical edge with pressing football all day over pretty/unpretty slow paced posession football, all day every day. We're pushovers these days We never played a pressing game under Pulis. Ever. Everything was shape, two banks of four and challenging teams to play through us. Stop trying to re-write history. |
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