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Post by salifdiao on Oct 25, 2009 1:15:39 GMT
But Huth isn't a good right back................ And I want to reiterate that it was Shawcross who got beat at the backpost by Crouch for the clearance Beattie made and not Wilko. He isnt a bad right back either but Wilko is a more natural right back, remember Wilko was a central defender a few years ago, could you ever believe he would be good enough to be a regular premiership right back 5 years ago?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2009 1:18:01 GMT
No Gary I didn't but I've always liked him and thought he was better than the image many portray of him on here so I'm taking this one!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 25, 2009 1:20:53 GMT
But Huth isn't a good right back................ And I want to reiterate that it was Shawcross who got beat at the backpost by Crouch for the clearance Beattie made and not Wilko. He isnt a bad right back either but Wilko is a more natural right back, remember Wilko was a central defender a few years ago, could you ever believe he would be good enough to be a regular premiership right back 5 years ago? Gary I don't think that either of them are spectacular, but yeah they both started as central defenders and Wilko seems to have adapted better to me. I wouldn't mind a really, really good one though!
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Post by salifdiao on Oct 25, 2009 1:23:08 GMT
He isnt a bad right back either but Wilko is a more natural right back, remember Wilko was a central defender a few years ago, could you ever believe he would be good enough to be a regular premiership right back 5 years ago? Gary I don't think that either of them are spectacular, but yeah they both started as central defenders and Wilko seems to have adapted better to me. I wouldn't mind a really, really good one though! Could that be because Wilko has been given the time to adapt. Look its Wilko all the way for me just trying to play devils advocate.
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Post by bostonstokie on Oct 25, 2009 1:23:31 GMT
Boston far from perfect with Huth in there though mate. Hmmmm ... Now how many clean sheats have we kept with Huth in the side and how many have we kept with Wilko in the team? And apart from that like Bayern says Huth isn't a good right back. Well, we've had no clean sheets with Huth, I certainly can't argue with that. On the other hand, it's a tough string of five games (ManU, Chelsea, et al) to get clean sheets, and Huth also scored against Everton. It's only one goal, but he's got a hell of a lot better idea what to do with it than Wilko. I was impressed today, too, but I'm not chalking it up to Wilko only. As I said, three balls on the line and one on the post today - not the cleanest of clean sheets to get carried away with.
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Post by stokeinoz on Oct 25, 2009 1:24:40 GMT
I think Wilko stepped upto the mark and played fantastic, a good bit of competition for places now inthe team could be the making of us this season
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2009 1:24:44 GMT
Wilko has the stature and attributes of a full back barring distribution. Huth to me just doesn't.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 25, 2009 1:26:11 GMT
Wilko has the stature and attributes of a full back barring distribution. Huth to me just doesn't. Ahhh ... that was the answer I was going to give!
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Post by DodgyDino on Oct 25, 2009 1:26:47 GMT
Decisions Decisions......TP must be rubbing his hands with glee having all this quality at his disposal. I thought Wilko had a great game today but for me Huth is the man, The only problem i have with Wilko is that his passing lets him down at times, Sort this area of his game and he could be a permanent fixture.
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Post by bostonstokie on Oct 25, 2009 1:28:42 GMT
Wilko has the stature and attributes of a full back barring distribution. Huth to me just doesn't. I'll take that bait: 1. "Barring distribution" ?! As if that isn't important? Would you not like some fullbacks to distribute so our wings don't have to cover back so far so often? 2. So exactly what attribute of a fullback do you think Huth doesn't have? (and you have to give some allowance that he's played there 5 games and is still adjusting, unlike Wilko's full year there)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2009 1:34:45 GMT
1) Of course I would. Huth though isn't that man. 2) His positioning is poor. He gets sucked into the middle too often. Case in point against Everton where him and Ryan were going for the same ball, both missed it and they nearly scored. Huths centre backing instincts took over and off he went. I know TP likes narrow full backs but he takes the piss. He also gets flat footed. And he doesn't overlap, even when he can and he's left footed. As for adjusting, I think it's a cock up on TP's behalf for him even playing there. And I'm sorry Paul!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 25, 2009 1:37:47 GMT
Boston both players have got their faults but for me Huth's outweight Wilko's, nobody's suggesting that Andy is perfect.
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Post by bostonstokie on Oct 25, 2009 1:40:08 GMT
Well, we'll have to disagree. I think Huth is more that man than Wilko (#1) and I think you do have to wait for him to adjust in cases like the Everton example (#2).
Don't get me wrong, it isn't that I won't enjoy Wilko playing for the next two weeks.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 25, 2009 1:41:39 GMT
Well, we'll have to disagree. No probs BS!
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Post by bostonstokie on Oct 25, 2009 1:42:35 GMT
Boston both players have got their faults but for me Huth's outweight Wilko's, nobody's suggesting that Andy is perfect. Paul - I'm just thrilled that we have these "problems", ones like this and like not being able to find a place for a player like Lenny this week. I think that's the biggest mark of our current and (I hope) future success.
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Post by salifdiao on Oct 25, 2009 1:47:20 GMT
It will all be irrelevant in Jan anyway.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2009 1:48:19 GMT
But why should we wait for him to adapt when it's obvious we still need a right back irrespective of having Huth and Wilko? We still need a left back too.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 25, 2009 1:49:41 GMT
It will all be irrelevant in Jan anyway. Pulis going to Liverpool Gary?
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Post by bostonstokie on Oct 25, 2009 1:50:05 GMT
But why should we wait for him to adapt when it's obvious we still need a right back irrespective of having Huth and Wilko? We still need a left back too. It's too late at night to start arguing about Collins, too.... ;D
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2009 1:51:07 GMT
Think more about my username Paul (I think)! ;D
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Post by salifdiao on Oct 25, 2009 1:51:55 GMT
It will all be irrelevant in Jan anyway. Pulis going to Liverpool Gary? Liverpool could do much worse, Benitez is a clown who shouldnt even be managing in the prem but thats another story.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2009 1:52:14 GMT
But why should we wait for him to adapt when it's obvious we still need a right back irrespective of having Huth and Wilko? We still need a left back too. It's too late at night to start arguing about Collins, too.... ;D It's never too late to argue! ;D He's had 2 and a half good games now but he's a centre back playing at left back. Therefore we still need a left back.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 25, 2009 1:53:23 GMT
Just a right back or a left back as well Gary?
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Post by salifdiao on Oct 25, 2009 1:53:26 GMT
But why should we wait for him to adapt when it's obvious we still need a right back irrespective of having Huth and Wilko? We still need a left back too. It's too late at night to start arguing about Collins, too.... ;D I said at the start Collins would prove to be a good left back in a Pulis defence, give him a few more games and he will be even better.
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Post by bostonstokie on Oct 25, 2009 1:54:58 GMT
It's too late at night to start arguing about Collins, too.... ;D It's never too late to argue! ;D He's had 2 and a half good games now but he's a centre back playing at left back. Therefore we still need a left back. Keep waiting - face it, we'll always have four center backs playing the back line as long as Pulis is still here... (can't argue with the man, though...)
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Post by bostonstokie on Oct 25, 2009 1:56:28 GMT
It's too late at night to start arguing about Collins, too.... ;D I said at the start Collins would prove to be a good left back in a Pulis defence, give him a few more games and he will be even better. Oh, I like him. Bayern and I never seem to agree, though, I can't start on a whole nother player...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2009 1:57:31 GMT
It's never too late to argue! ;D He's had 2 and a half good games now but he's a centre back playing at left back. Therefore we still need a left back. Keep waiting - face it, we'll always have four center backs playing the back line as long as Pulis is still here... (can't argue with the man, though...) Not if what Gary is hinting at comes off! ;D Like I said, a clue is in my username. I'm sure Gary can confirm or deny that! Centre backs as full back is a load of crap, I don't care if TP does it, it's one of my footballing philosphies! Collins was impressive today!
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Post by salifdiao on Oct 25, 2009 2:00:58 GMT
Just a right back or a left back as well Gary? I doubt you will see any other player come in other than a right back unless we have a major injury.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 25, 2009 2:01:48 GMT
Yes I'm far happier with Collins at full back than Huth. Right I'm off to bed to dream of overlapping full backs and Glen Whelan screamers! Night lads ...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2009 2:02:31 GMT
So we won't get the right back, left back, young keeper, right winger, quality central midfielder and quick striker we need? ;D
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