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Post by rambo61 on Oct 24, 2009 22:06:27 GMT
Not even a question that needs answering in my opinion! Wilko was immense today and Huth shouldn,t ever be thought of as a defenite replacement. It should be Wilko,s position and up to someone else to win from him!!
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Post by stokecity1986 on Oct 24, 2009 22:07:33 GMT
WILKO everytime! hope tone can see this, i dont think so he will myself, but hopefully he does
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Post by serpico on Oct 24, 2009 22:14:25 GMT
I dunno you know, wilko did get caught out in the air a couple of times today, maybe there is something in TP's madness of playing 4 centre backs ?
At first I thought it was a stupid move by TP, but I don't think wilko did much today that Huth wouldn't have done, I;m not saying he had a bad game, he played quite well, but is there really a whole lot of difference ? .
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 24, 2009 22:16:17 GMT
When did Wilko get caught out Serps?
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Post by jarhead on Oct 24, 2009 22:26:13 GMT
Wilko was immense today end of and Huth should not walk back in he should earn his spot as goes for Sorro as Simmo was superb today so don't drop him and kill his confidence as he deserves the shirt.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 24, 2009 22:45:01 GMT
I think it's a more black and white an answer than any other position on the pitch.
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Post by kingdeano on Oct 24, 2009 22:45:08 GMT
after today its wilkos place, until he either fucks or or gets injured, this is what having a squad is all about, i like huth and think he is class but its wilkos place now! the same as simmo is now our number 1! great keeper tommy but after a performance like that its simmos, until again, he either fucks up or gets injured
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Oct 24, 2009 22:48:36 GMT
Wilko, for shizzle. I just love Huth as well as Shawsy and Abdy, and still maintain that pushing Abdy up into a CDM spot (like he played at Bolton) with Shawsy and Huth at CB would be a fucking bossin' defensive triangle that would be nigh-on inpenetrable!
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 24, 2009 22:49:02 GMT
It is an unfair question on Huth - the bloke is awesome, but not at r/b, but I for one would live with him there for the rest of the season, BUT Wilko stepped up to the plate and licked it clean to day
Wilko deserves to start
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Post by serpico on Oct 24, 2009 22:51:11 GMT
He did get beat in the air a few times, admittedly it was by crouch, he played well today, as he always does, but i don't think it's really a whole lot different than when Huth plays there, i was firmly in the "we need proper full backs" camp, but i actually think Huth and Collins have done much better than i anticipated .
I don't think it matters hugely who plays out of the 4, higgy, wilko, collins, huth, all very dependable .
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Post by Peters Pipe on Oct 24, 2009 22:51:23 GMT
Not disagreeing with any of you but I think Huth will step straight back into the back four when available, as will Sorro. TP has his team, and he has his back-ups. The back-ups did immensely today, but I don't think Huth or Sorro will be left out if they're available.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 24, 2009 22:54:28 GMT
I don't think they were potential goal slip ups though and I'm sure it was Shawcross who got done for one of them at the back post. Number 17 was definitely the baldy under it. ;D
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Post by miffmister on Oct 24, 2009 22:54:53 GMT
Nice to have the choice, TP must be beside himself, drop a German int or play a great lad(localish). Much deeper squad this year than last. Well done all at SCFC. GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONN STOKE!!!
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Post by mikeyb99 on Oct 24, 2009 22:54:55 GMT
Hopefully Tone will see the error of his ways and realise that playing Wilko rather than the fish-out-of-water that is Huth in that RB slot is in the best interests of the team.
All Wilko can do is continue to play consistently well (as he has always done) and hope the manager stops trying to shoe-horn an expensive square peg into a round hole.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 24, 2009 22:57:46 GMT
He did get beat in the air a few times, admittedly it was by crouch, he played well today, as he always does, but i don't think it's really a whole lot different than when Huth plays there, i was firmly in the "we need proper full backs" camp, but i actually think Huth and Collins have done much better than i anticipated . I don't think it matters hugely who plays out of the 4, higgy, wilko, collins, huth, all very dependable . Serps not much in it for me between Collins and Higgy I agree, but I really do think that Huth has looked like a fish out of water at right back. He's a superb footballer, but his positional play has been awful and he really hasn't looked at all comfortable out there, he just seems to want to drift inside all the time. Wilko has got faults for sure but he's a far more accomplished right back IMHO.
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Post by Peters Pipe on Oct 24, 2009 22:59:09 GMT
Huth hasn't really been a fish out of water though has he? All do respect to Wilkos performances, he was good today, but won't command aor be a part of a commanding back-line like Huth will. As a keeper myself, tough choice to make but I'd rather have Huth out there, he talks and listens better. In my opinion that is!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 24, 2009 23:01:55 GMT
I'm with Paul on this one.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 24, 2009 23:02:25 GMT
I'd rather have Huth out there, he talks and listens better. With the greatest of respect PP, how on earth do you know that Huth is a better listener than Wilko?
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Post by serpico on Oct 24, 2009 23:02:32 GMT
I'm fairly happy with either of them playing there.
Also, Huth is good in the air in both boxes, he could get 4-5 goals this season from set pieces.
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Post by mikeyb99 on Oct 24, 2009 23:03:22 GMT
Huth hasn't really been a fish out of water though has he? All do respect to Wilkos performances, he was good today, but won't command aor be a part of a commanding back-line like Huth will. As a keeper myself, tough choice to make but I'd rather have Huth out there, he talks and listens better. In my opinion that is! He's looked very poor to me, and gets horribly exposed by players with pace, or players that stay wide rather than cut inside. He is also ponderous moving forward, and gets a nose bleed crossing the half way line. His distribution is easily worse than Wilko's if we're being honest too. He's a centre-back, and it shows. I doubt very much that he'll ever be able to be a converted full-back either due to his chronic lack of pace.
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Post by Peters Pipe on Oct 24, 2009 23:04:18 GMT
Ok...Wilko is a decent right back but not such a good footballer as Huth. That's what I think. I can shout at my full backs to push out wider, Huth can learn that, but I can't shout at them to be a better player.
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Post by Peters Pipe on Oct 24, 2009 23:05:45 GMT
I'm a keeper, I don't give a fuck what they do going forwards, so long as they keep me out of trouble I'm happy....selfish wanker.... ;D
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Post by kingdeano on Oct 24, 2009 23:06:02 GMT
I'd rather have Huth out there, he talks and listens better. With the greatest of respect PP, how on earth do you know that Huth is a better listener than Wilko? exactly! imo the person who is going listen more is a eager to please young lad not a german international!
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Post by spoton on Oct 24, 2009 23:07:34 GMT
Went today and yes every player was great to day,but Wilko can only play in one position and to be honest as not got much clue what to do with the ball when he goes forward,but as a solid right back he is a good defender but lacks a little in height at the back posts
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Post by mikeyb99 on Oct 24, 2009 23:09:57 GMT
Went today and yes every player was great to day,but Wilko can only play in one position and to be honest as not got much clue what to do with the ball when he goes forward,but as a solid right back he is a good defender but lacks a little in height at the back posts Huth 'can only play in one position', and that's centre-back as his performances at right-back have proved IMO. Wilko is no world-beater but he's the best we've got, by far.
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Post by Peters Pipe on Oct 24, 2009 23:12:01 GMT
I'd rather have Huth out there, he talks and listens better. With the greatest of respect PP, how on earth do you know that Huth is a better listener than Wilko? I have very good ears? I watch defences Paul, it's how it seems to me, we're all armchair managers and players and maybe I should have said he "seems" to "me" to talk and listen better. I like Wilko a lot, I just don't think he's as great as everyone seems to think he is, just my opinion. I would rather have a proven international out there for sure.
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Post by canadianmoose on Oct 24, 2009 23:14:48 GMT
Wilko everytime for me at RB. Has more pace, gets foward more. Better RB.
Huth is a great CB. End of...........
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Post by Peters Pipe on Oct 24, 2009 23:14:49 GMT
Would Crouch have got those headers in with Huth back there on the far stick? Would Simmo have had to only just palm away the others that didn't make it onto Crouchs bonce? I think with Huth in there Crouch wouldn't have got a look in. Conjecture, I know, but still points worth thinking about. That was where we were nearly undone badly today, and we got away with through some good keeping and Beatties gymnastics....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 24, 2009 23:15:55 GMT
There was one header of Crouch's I can remember at the back post and a certain R.Shawcross was marking him.
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Post by spoton on Oct 24, 2009 23:17:24 GMT
sorry mikeyb 99 Huth does a good job at right back and at centre half wilko just does not have any idea what to do with the ball and at 24 years old is to old to learn
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