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Post by mikeyb99 on Oct 24, 2009 23:17:30 GMT
Huth would have been totally shredded for pace and trickery by Kranjcar and Assou-Ekotto though PP.
Swings and roundabouts, but IMO being a better full-back counts for more than being 6''5. There's plenty of height in our back four to challenge the likes of Crouch without needing the whole back line to be 6''5.
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Post by Peters Pipe on Oct 24, 2009 23:17:50 GMT
There was one header of Crouch's I can remember at the back post and a certain R.Shawcross was marking him. Ok I'm getting a bit beer fuzzy; you mean the one Beattie had to flick off the line?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 24, 2009 23:20:12 GMT
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Post by Peters Pipe on Oct 24, 2009 23:22:30 GMT
Huth would have been totally shredded for pace and trickery by Kranjcar and Assou-Ekotto though PP. Swings and roundabouts, but IMO being a better full-back counts for more than being 6''5. There's plenty of height in our back four to challenge the likes of Crouch without needing the whole back line to be 6''5. True true, but i think experience and savvy count for a lot more than just being 6' plus. I really don't want to be seen as knocking Wilko, really, I just think that TP will see Huth as a better option for the experience and savvy, not just the height. TP has never had the most mobile back four ever has he? It could even be argued that Wilko bombing forward gives him nightmares!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 24, 2009 23:25:47 GMT
There was one header of Crouch's I can remember at the back post and a certain R.Shawcross was marking him. Ok I'm getting a bit beer fuzzy; you mean the one Beattie had to flick off the line? Yeah, it was definitely Shawcross marking Crouch, I've just checked. Now on to the penalty shout! ;D
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 24, 2009 23:27:13 GMT
I'm pretty certain Wilko has got more experience at being a right back than Huth.
However I'm basing my opinion on what I've seen of the two individuals playing in that position, not basing it on height, international experience or stats of any kind, indeed I could have done that without watching either of them.
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Post by Peters Pipe on Oct 24, 2009 23:30:55 GMT
This is based on what I've seen of them both playing; we're thinking of fullbacks though aren't we? TP plays four centre halfs, and doesn't do full backs, not yet anyway and not in the sense that I think we're expecting. In that respect (full back) Wilko is better, but Huth may well fit the system better, possibly? ;D
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 24, 2009 23:32:28 GMT
Do you reckon Huth can slot in permanently Paul? TP obviously is too concerned about having immobile fullbacks otherwise Huth wouldn't be there.....and as I said I don't think TP is an overlapping fullback type of guy, do you? I personally think Wilko is a better right back than Huth ... that's the top and bottom of it PP.
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Post by Peters Pipe on Oct 24, 2009 23:38:48 GMT
Well he is, agreed.......it's just that Huth might work better in TPs system, that's the other top and bottom of it....
edit...and I should stop trying to make sense when I've been on the juice since lunchtime, I'm amazed I can still smell spell.
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Post by march4 on Oct 24, 2009 23:39:48 GMT
Victory apart, Wilko was shocking, but a victory is a victory.
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Post by kingdeano on Oct 24, 2009 23:41:17 GMT
Victory apart, Wilko was shocking, but a victory is a victory. your taking the piss right? please seriously tell me you are?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 24, 2009 23:41:50 GMT
Victory apart, Wilko was shocking, but a victory is a victory. I was wondering when You'd pop up when I was reading about Tuncay. You can't be serious surely? The Beattie clearance off the line was Shawcross at the back post and not Wilko, so don't try that one!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 24, 2009 23:46:27 GMT
Look ... March has actually credited Tuncay on another thread!
Can't we just be happy with that at least?
;D
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Post by march4 on Oct 24, 2009 23:59:33 GMT
Wilko put in the worst performance of any player this season so far. A typical eyes closed game. Continually in the wrong place and as for his passing - my word is he a professional who practices these things?
In January, the right back substitute position needs strengthening. Thank goodness we have Huth.
A marvellous victory and I don't feel like falling out with anyone tonight, but to say Wilko was anything other than poor would be too much of a rose tinted impression.
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Post by kingdeano on Oct 25, 2009 0:01:19 GMT
Wilko put in the worst performance of any player this season so far. A typical eyes closed game. Continually in the wrong place and as for his passing - my word is he a professional who practices these things? In January, the right back substitute position needs strengthening. Thank goodness we have Huth. A marvellous victory and I don't feel like falling out with anyone tonight, but to say Wilko was anything other than poor would be too much of a rose tinted impression. just fuck off talkin shit! pathetic statement!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2009 0:02:27 GMT
Wilko put in the worst performance of any player this season so far. A typical eyes closed game. Continually in the wrong place and as for his passing - my word is he a professional who practices these things? In January, the right back substitute position needs strengthening. Thank goodness we have Huth. A marvellous victory and I don't feel like falling out with anyone tonight, but to say Wilko was anything other than poor would be too much of a rose tinted impression. Gutted my smite powers are away for another 40 minutes. ;D
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Post by march4 on Oct 25, 2009 0:03:39 GMT
Wilko put in the worst performance of any player this season so far. A typical eyes closed game. Continually in the wrong place and as for his passing - my word is he a professional who practices these things? In January, the right back substitute position needs strengthening. Thank goodness we have Huth. A marvellous victory and I don't feel like falling out with anyone tonight, but to say Wilko was anything other than poor would be too much of a rose tinted impression. just fuck off talkin shit! pathetic statement! How thick are your rose tinted glasses ;D
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Post by kingdeano on Oct 25, 2009 0:05:45 GMT
just fuck off talkin shit! pathetic statement! How thick are your rose tinted glasses ;D believe me ive even said earlier i wasnt his biggest fan but today he did well, hes maturing all the time, to say he was poor is really a shocking statement, if you think he was poor then you really need open your eyes at matches! i wonder how many people agree with tha statement!!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2009 0:05:38 GMT
You going get smited booooooi! ;D
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Post by loekursem on Oct 25, 2009 0:07:04 GMT
I'd pick Griffin myself....
.........bet you're glad tony picks the side
................after reading some of the above crap I know I am
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Post by march4 on Oct 25, 2009 0:09:45 GMT
How thick are your rose tinted glasses ;D believe me ive even said earlier i wasnt his biggest fan but today he did well, hes maturing all the time, to say he was poor is really a shocking statement, if you think he was poor then you really need open your eyes at matches! i wonder how many people agree with tha statement!! I have admitted many times that I always close my eyes when the ball is anywhere near Wilko. I can't bear to watch. He was at his worst today I'm afraid and will be on loan in the Fizzy Pop League in January - mark my words, I don't mind being reminded if I'm wrong.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2009 0:11:54 GMT
The only time we got done at the back post by Crouch was when Shawcross was marking him. I'd say that's a success for both full backs.
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Post by kingdeano on Oct 25, 2009 0:13:33 GMT
well march wilkos rammed my wrds down my throat so you better take a deep gulp! the lad is improving and well done to him!
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Post by march4 on Oct 25, 2009 0:15:58 GMT
well march wilkos rammed my wrds down my throat so you better take a deep gulp! the lad is improving and well done to him! January - lets wait and see then. I think he'll be gone with Dicko and Shotton on loan somewhere.
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 25, 2009 0:39:56 GMT
Wasn't that impressed with him today, but that's mostly formed from two things:
1) Letting Lennon get that shot in in the first half
2) Awful distribution, but you know what you're getting with him. Huth's distribution is better, by which I mean he hits it longer and towards a Stoke player.
To be honest though, I'm not exactly expert on the full-back position, I can't really comment on Huth's positioning, but he's looked pretty solid to me. I don't like the way Wilkinson gives his man so much space when the ball's on the other side of the pitch. Let's see.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2009 0:45:17 GMT
Mystical, I'm pretty sure Wilko bit at Lennon and then Diao took over and just couldn't get to him because of his pace. If I'm thinking of the same incident, Whitehead was nowhere to be seen.
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Post by salifdiao on Oct 25, 2009 0:55:32 GMT
A year ago i wouldnt have given Wilko the time of day but he has improved beyond belief during this time, players have to play games to learn and improve their game. Wilko hasnt played that many games considering his age but every game he plays the more accomplished he becomes and i believe he really has the potential to become a terrific right back. Its good Huth is pushing him all the way and it seems TP is getting Wilko to be the player we all want him to be but he will only do this if he gets regular runs in the team, i also think the same applies to whelan.
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Post by bostonstokie on Oct 25, 2009 1:08:51 GMT
This is the whole point of signing someone like Huth, just so you can have this argument. I thought Wilko - all four at the back, really - was excellent but not perfect. Let's not forget that there were essentially three saves on the line today. For me, its start Huth and then revel in the fact that as a second year Premiership club, we've got the quality of Wilko on the bench.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2009 1:11:13 GMT
But Huth isn't a good right back................
And I want to reiterate that it was Shawcross who got beat at the backpost by Crouch for the clearance Beattie made and not Wilko.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 25, 2009 1:14:58 GMT
Boston far from perfect with Huth in there though mate.
Hmmmm ...
Now how many clean sheats have we kept with Huth in the side and how many have we kept with Wilko in the team?
And apart from that like Bayern says Huth isn't a good right back.
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