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Post by wizzardofdribble on Apr 6, 2009 21:36:41 GMT
Lets face it..if we hadn't bought Beattie and stuck with Kitson..we would now be second from bottom and going down...make no mistake about that... Beattie is the difference between success and failure and has saved Pulis from being mauled to death by the PHW's... But the same old questions about tactics/team selection still apply...and forgive me for not jumping on the Pulis Rimmimg Bandwagon (and I have been rimming Tone all season)...but didn't Sheffield United get relegated after being 10 points clear of the bottom 3 at this stage of the season?  |
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Post by mumf14 on Apr 6, 2009 21:37:35 GMT
NO PULIS CAME TO SAVE US...
Amen.
mumf
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Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 6, 2009 21:43:22 GMT
The answer to your question is NO.
JB has done a great job so far and you have to say well done to TP for 'pushing the boat out' to get him, and for signing Ethers. Great bit of management.
Would it be accurate to ask "Has Tony Pulis saved James Beattie's Top Flight Career"
Some people will NEVER give the man the credit he so richly deserves.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 6, 2009 21:48:19 GMT
If the Brummy Mail reporter, Lepkowski, is right and Beattie is on the whopping £36,000 he claims, you've got to give enormous credit to Coates. He's gone balls out this season, and last. www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/midlands-football/2009/04/06/stoke-city-2-west-brom-0-chris-lepkowski-s-big-match-verdict-97319-23319018/Stoke’s best performers were Fuller, Beattie and the excellent Abdoulaye Faye.
Immense experience throughout that core of players. They know the division and its demands.
And Premier League know-how is something lacking throughout Albion’s side.
Again, that points a finger at the manager, but Beattie is on £36,000 a week – Albion’s top earner is on about £13,000 less – and the Stoke striker’s wages will not flex-down in the increasingly unlikely event of their relegation.
Stoke took a risk and it may work. Just as Portsmouth did in 2006 when Albion last went down. Just as other clubs do. Just as Albion never do. |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Apr 6, 2009 21:48:38 GMT
I've been praising TP all season...but would Stoke be 6 points clear of relegation without Beattie?
No....
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Post by Beardy200 on Apr 6, 2009 21:49:48 GMT
Well unless Beattie came knocking on our door, cap in hand i'd say Pulis saved himself.
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Post by mumf14 on Apr 6, 2009 21:49:51 GMT
Yes we would be six points better off.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2009 21:50:01 GMT
one man dont make a team.....
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Post by imallstokedup on Apr 6, 2009 21:52:03 GMT
Who went out in the January transfer window and bought 2 players in very early ?
Who lives and dies by his decisions ?
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Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 6, 2009 21:53:23 GMT
Beardy is right. TP did what was necessary and signed a striker (even though we'd just paid Millions for one). That's his job and he's proving very good at it!
FulleMagic is spot on too; Coates has absolutely gone out on a limb for the Club.
The pair of them have done this club proud.
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Post by slangking on Apr 6, 2009 21:57:38 GMT
One of the main criticisms of Pulis has been his supposed pig-headedness, how then to explain how he ruthlessly fuct waste of space Kitson off and went all out to get Beattie in? Masterstroke.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2009 21:58:45 GMT
No.
Pulis saved Beattie (from the Championship).
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 6, 2009 21:58:50 GMT
I guess it depends what you mean by saved Dribble?
If we'd have been (and we still could be) relegated then I think it is highly likely that Pulis would have kept his job anyway.
So he hasn't been saved from the sack.
Saved from the wrath of a lot of Stokies?, erm ... maybe.
But of course we might have survived without Beattie anyway.
With the greatest of respect chap, IMHO it's a bit of a non question.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Apr 6, 2009 22:00:03 GMT
Kitson £5.5 million Olinfanjana £3.5 million Sonko £2.5 million Thats nearly £12 million of Coates' money pissed up the wall...plus all the rest thats been wasted.. |
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Post by DodgyDino on Apr 6, 2009 22:00:08 GMT
£36,000 a week, I dont really believe hes on that amount of money, If he is youve got to take your hat off to Coates.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Apr 6, 2009 22:01:18 GMT
I guess it depends what you mean by saved Dribble? If we'd have been (and we still could be) relegated then I think it is highly likely that Pulis would have kept his job anyway. So he hasn't been saved from the sack. Saved from the wrath of a lot of Stokies?, erm ... maybe. But of course we might have survived without Beattie anyway. With the greatest of respect chap, IMHO it's a bit of a non question. Why anwser it then? |
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Post by DodgyDino on Apr 6, 2009 22:03:19 GMT
Kitson £5.5 million Olinfanjana £3.5 million Sonko £2.5 million Thats nearly £12 million of Coates' money pissed up the wall...plus all the rest thats been wasted.. Kitson as it stands hasnt actually cost Stoke £5.5 million though because his fee was based on appearances, goals and staying in the Premier. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 6, 2009 22:03:28 GMT
I guess it depends what you mean by saved Dribble? If we'd have been (and we still could be) relegated then I think it is highly likely that Pulis would have kept his job anyway. So he hasn't been saved from the sack. Saved from the wrath of a lot of Stokies?, erm ... maybe. But of course we might have survived without Beattie anyway. With the greatest of respect chap, IMHO it's a bit of a non question. Why anwser it then? I don't think I actually did. |
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Post by slangking on Apr 6, 2009 22:03:44 GMT
You going all out for this wind-up then? Kitson £5.5 million Olinfanjana £3.5 million Sonko £2.5 million Thats nearly £12 million of Coates' money pissed up the wall...plus all the rest thats been wasted.. |
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Post by Beardy200 on Apr 6, 2009 22:04:31 GMT
Kitson £5.5 million Olinfanjana £3.5 million Sonko £2.5 million Thats nearly £12 million of Coates' money pissed up the wall...plus all the rest thats been wasted.. You win some you lose some and there's a long list you could put on the other side if you want to see them. Plus it's not wasted until they've fucked off at a loss. |
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Post by swampySCFC on Apr 6, 2009 22:05:05 GMT
If the Brummy Mail reporter, Lepkowski, is right and Beattie is on the whopping £36,000 he claims, you've got to give enormous credit to Coates. He's gone balls out this season, and last. www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/midlands-football/2009/04/06/stoke-city-2-west-brom-0-chris-lepkowski-s-big-match-verdict-97319-23319018/Stoke’s best performers were Fuller, Beattie and the excellent Abdoulaye Faye.
Immense experience throughout that core of players. They know the division and its demands.
And Premier League know-how is something lacking throughout Albion’s side.
Again, that points a finger at the manager, but Beattie is on £36,000 a week – Albion’s top earner is on about £13,000 less – and the Stoke striker’s wages will not flex-down in the increasingly unlikely event of their relegation.
Stoke took a risk and it may work. Just as Portsmouth did in 2006 when Albion last went down. Just as other clubs do. Just as Albion never do.Would Albions top earner be Carson? If so, Carson 23k, Beattie £36k. You choose  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2009 22:05:48 GMT
Kitson £5.5 million Olinfanjana £3.5 million Sonko £2.5 million Thats nearly £12 million of Coates' money pissed up the wall...plus all the rest thats been wasted.. I think we struggled to attract players in the summer amid fears of doing a Derby and panicked and spunked a fair wedge on some mediocre players. Once we proved we were capable of competing in this league, we were able to attract more quality. As someone else said, unless Beattie drove to Stoke uninvited, offering his services, then Pulis has saved himself by identifying and convincing the player to sign. Coates deserves a lot of credit for pushing the boat out once again as well. |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 6, 2009 22:07:03 GMT
I keep hearing this 'pissed up a wall argument' and, with respect, I don't get it.
Firstly (for the millionth time - we did NOT pay 5.5m for Kitson) and we will certainly get a fair chunk back when he moves on.
The other two have been disappointing but, again, we'll recoup a fair bit of the transfer fees back and EVERY Prem club has made one or two disappointing signings - it's almost unavoidable unless you are very, very lucky.
Pulis had to assemble a squad large enough to cope with the season in the top division and he wasc bound to get one or two wrong.
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Post by swampySCFC on Apr 6, 2009 22:11:00 GMT
I keep hearing this 'pissed up a wall argument' and, with respect, I don't get it. Firstly (for the millionth time - we did NOT pay 5.5m for Kitson) and we will certainly get a fair chunk back when he moves on. The other two have been disappointing but, again, we'll recoup a fair bit of the transfer fees back and EVERY Prem club has made one or two disappointing signings - it's almost unavoidable unless you are very, very lucky. Pulis is a wanker. He should have heeded the advice from some and gone for Bullard ;D Pulis had to assemble a squad large enough to cope with the season in the top division and he wasc bound to get one or two wrong. |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Apr 6, 2009 22:11:23 GMT
Kitson £5.5 million Olinfanjana £3.5 million Sonko £2.5 million Thats nearly £12 million of Coates' money pissed up the wall...plus all the rest thats been wasted.. Kitson as it stands hasnt actually cost Stoke £5.5 million though because his fee was based on appearances, goals and staying in the Premier. That's not the point... Pulis has wasted at least half of all the money that Peter Coates has given to him...but he got very very lucky with James Beattie...who has saved TP's skin... Questions about TP's tactics/team selection/character/etc still remain... Anyone can jump on the Pulis Rimming Bandwagon...and everybody is...but whats needed is cool,clear accurate assessment of how Pulis has wasted most of Peter Coates money, how dreadful our away tactics have been this season..and what TP plans to do differently next season..when he doesn't have a BT to save his skin... |
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Post by Beardy200 on Apr 6, 2009 22:13:58 GMT
Did he get "lucky" with:
Abby
Sorrenson
Etherington
Shawcross
Rici
Whelan
Sidibe
Lawrence
Rory
Need i go on?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 6, 2009 22:15:52 GMT
Pulis has wasted at least half of all the money that Peter Coates has given to him...but he got very very lucky with James Beattie...who has saved TP's skin... Talk about having your cake and eating it Dribble. He wasn't unlucky with Kitson but made a poor signing. He didn't make a good signing with Beattie but was just lucky. Please tell me you're a wind up here mate. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2009 22:16:22 GMT
Add Fuller to that list |
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Post by Beardy200 on Apr 6, 2009 22:18:11 GMT
Add Fuller to that list Haha you quoted me before the edit - ya bitch  |
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 6, 2009 22:18:29 GMT
You can't really deny we've bought a lot of undeniably substandard players who'll be of no real use to us next season and haven't made any impression apart from being a significant wage drain, probably largely for the reasons RVD outlines.
And we'll probably take quite a hefty hit on Sonko, Tonge, Soares, Olofinjana, Kitson, Davies.
But you've got to give Pulis massive credit as the ones he's got right, he's got spectacularly right.
If we stay up, it'll all be forgiven and we'll hope for more Etheringtons and Beatties in the summer when our canvas of prospective signings will hopefully continue to get broader.
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