|
Post by stokecityscott on Apr 6, 2009 22:18:46 GMT
What a stupid post.
|
|
|
Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 6, 2009 22:19:22 GMT
So he gets lucky with his good signings and he pisses the money up a wall with the poor signings. Talk about 'Can't Win'
Am I just slow on the uptake here and this is a 'wind up'?
Like what you did there Swampy ref Bullard!
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2009 22:20:11 GMT
Kitson as it stands hasnt actually cost Stoke £5.5 million though because his fee was based on appearances, goals and staying in the Premier. That's not the point... Pulis has wasted at least half of all the money that Peter Coates has given to him...but he got very very lucky with James Beattie...who has saved TP's skin... Questions about TP's tactics/team selection/character/etc still remain... Anyone can jump on the Pulis Rimming Bandwagon...and everybody is...but whats needed is cool,clear accurate assessment of how Pulis has wasted most of Peter Coates money, how dreadful our away tactics have been this season..and what TP plans to do differently next season..when he doesn't have a BT to save his skin... In what way did he "get lucky"? It's like saying that Benitez "got lucky" signing Torres or Ferguson "got lucky" signing Rooney or Ronaldo.
|
|
|
Post by trebor63 on Apr 6, 2009 22:20:53 GMT
Without Beattie we'd be in a worse position without question.
Without Pulis there is a very decent chance we wouldn't be in the Prem OR the Championship!
|
|
|
Post by wizzardofdribble on Apr 6, 2009 22:26:42 GMT
Without Beattie we'd be in a worse position without question. Without Pulis there is a very decent chance we wouldn't be in the Prem OR the Championship! Without COATES there is no chance we'd be in The Prem... The only difference between Pulis the second time around...and Pulis the first time...is Peter Coates money..which has enabled TP to give Beattie £36 grand a week...
|
|
|
Post by Beardy200 on Apr 6, 2009 22:27:44 GMT
Without Beattie we'd be in a worse position without question. Without Pulis there is a very decent chance we wouldn't be in the Prem OR the Championship! Without COATES there is no chance we'd be in The Prem... Without the internet some people would be very bored
|
|
|
Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 6, 2009 22:29:30 GMT
Without Coats we'd all be F.....g Freezing!
|
|
|
Post by wizzardofdribble on Apr 6, 2009 22:31:05 GMT
|
|
|
Post by wizzardofdribble on Apr 6, 2009 22:33:04 GMT
Without Coats we'd all be F.....g Freezing! ;D Not with our new 'windbreaker' in place
|
|
|
Post by PickSCFC on Apr 6, 2009 22:34:33 GMT
if we were to go down then nobody is to blame espeicially not pulis.
teams who come up are always favourites to go down
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2009 22:35:28 GMT
Without Beattie we'd be in a worse position without question. Without Pulis there is a very decent chance we wouldn't be in the Prem OR the Championship! Without COATES there is no chance we'd be in The Prem... The only difference between Pulis the second time around...and Pulis the first time...is Peter Coates money..which has enabled TP to give Beattie £36 grand a week... Isn't that true of any signing by any manager ever? That they have to be financed by the chairman?
|
|
|
Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 6, 2009 22:38:44 GMT
So the truth must be that Fergy is just 'lucky' that his board have bought success.
Ditto Mourinho, Benitez,O'Neil etc, etc, etc,etc..........................
|
|
|
Post by wizzardofdribble on Apr 6, 2009 22:42:51 GMT
Without COATES there is no chance we'd be in The Prem... The only difference between Pulis the second time around...and Pulis the first time...is Peter Coates money..which has enabled TP to give Beattie £36 grand a week... Isn't that true of any signing by any manager ever? That they have to be financed by the chairman? Of course.. Just trying to get a decent debate going Mr Vandeurzen...an objective analysis of TP's signings/tactics/formations/character etc etc No right or wrong anwsers...just shades of opinion....
|
|
|
Post by march4 on Apr 6, 2009 22:43:26 GMT
Has Pulis saved Stoke City?
Yes, without him we would have dropped to the Third tier again and possibly worse as the finances collapsed.
|
|
|
Post by Block 26 on Apr 6, 2009 22:44:26 GMT
£36,000 a week Worth every penny ;D
|
|
|
Post by Olgrligm on Apr 6, 2009 22:44:49 GMT
Here's what I'd say:
In the summer, attracting players was difficult. Kitson helped because it kind of showed intent to some players and perhaps helped us to bring in Abdy. Even if he did nothing else for us, he did that. Pulis could not get his A-list targets though. He always wants experienced Premiership players but he needed ones fit enough for the Premiership. Which experienced Premiership players would be interested in joining a team tipped to do a Derby? Robbie Savage? No thanks. Zigic? A good striker, even if not Premiership experienced, but a meeting with Scholes put paid to him. Riggott is reported to have said "No thanks". We had to get in players from the Championship, gambles. Olofinjana, Amdy Faye, Davies, Sonko. On deadline day, we realised we were still short of a good left back (Wilkinson and Dickinson proving real liabilities at the time) and two midfielders, especially on the left. Pulis had to turn to the Z list and pick up Tonge and Soares, players he clearly doesn't trust. Both have had good cameos but their fair share of poor performance. Soares seems to suffer from the Dadasons. He turned to Higginbotham for the left back spot, a man who wasn't very good there in the Championship and wasn't wanted by Sunderland. Carson turned us down and we had to get Sorensen, who was desperate for a club after his stock fell incredibly low. I think Pulis tried to resolve this in January with our newly consolidated position. He got in Etherington, a real left wing solution and Beattie, an experienced striker. I think Sheffield United would have been trying to really extort us in the summer over Beattie, I don't doubt Pulis wanted him. They were trying to play a crafty game with him in January, too.
Hopefully, we'll be in a better position to attract real targets this summer and maybe we can shift out some deadwood. I don't think Griffin is long for this world and I don't think we'll follow up Kelly. I doubt Camara will be back either. A new central midfielder (because our back up is cag), possibly a Whelan style ball-player, a new left back, a new right back and possibly a right winger should be on our shopping list.
|
|
|
Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 6, 2009 22:48:20 GMT
Pretty fair assessment
|
|
|
Post by march4 on Apr 6, 2009 22:50:22 GMT
Spot on MD
|
|
|
Post by wizzardofdribble on Apr 6, 2009 22:54:58 GMT
Here's what I'd say: In the summer, attracting players was difficult. Kitson helped because it kind of showed intent to some players and perhaps helped us to bring in Abdy. Even if he did nothing else for us, he did that. Pulis could not get his A-list targets though. He always wants experienced Premiership players but he needed ones fit enough for the Premiership. Which experienced Premiership players would be interested in joining a team tipped to do a Derby? Robbie Savage? No thanks. Zigic? A good striker, even if not Premiership experienced, but a meeting with Scholes put paid to him. Riggott is reported to have said "No thanks". We had to get in players from the Championship, gambles. Olofinjana, Amdy Faye, Davies, Sonko. On deadline day, we realised we were still short of a good left back (Wilkinson and Dickinson proving real liabilities at the time) and two midfielders, especially on the left. Pulis had to turn to the Z list and pick up Tonge and Soares, players he clearly doesn't trust. Both have had good cameos but their fair share of poor performance. Soares seems to suffer from the Dadasons. He turned to Higginbotham for the left back spot, a man who wasn't very good there in the Championship and wasn't wanted by Sunderland. Carson turned us down and we had to get Sorensen, who was desperate for a club after his stock fell incredibly low. I think Pulis tried to resolve this in January with our newly consolidated position. He got in Etherington, a real left wing solution and Beattie, an experienced striker. I think Sheffield United would have been trying to really extort us in the summer over Beattie, I don't doubt Pulis wanted him. They were trying to play a crafty game with him in January, too. Hopefully, we'll be in a better position to attract real targets this summer and maybe we can shift out some deadwood. I don't think Griffin is long for this world and I don't think we'll follow up Kelly. I doubt Camara will be back either. A new central midfielder (because our back up is cag), possibly a Whelan style ball-player, a new left back, a new right back and possibly a right winger should be on our shopping list. Fair comment Mystical...
|
|
|
Post by Olgrligm on Apr 6, 2009 23:04:26 GMT
The signing of Abdy was an absolute miracle. His song is probably a pretty fair bit of thanks to the 'Big Guy' for sending this guy down with the obvious mission of being Stoke's captain for years and years to come.
I hope Blackburn go down if only because it immobilises Allardyce's ability to come in and get him.
|
|
|
Post by mermaidsal on Apr 6, 2009 23:05:40 GMT
He's helped, but it's just as true to say Tone's saved BT (as a Prem striker rather than Champ). They're just a perfect marriage so far in terms of style, aspiration and commitment.
|
|
|
Post by stantheman on Apr 6, 2009 23:12:25 GMT
Now, if we had spent £5million on Bullard, then we would have something to cryabout But we didnt, that orange twat did, now thats funny ;D The fact we got sorenson on a free makes up for a lot as well Pulis is God Beattie is Jesus STM
|
|
|
Post by stokiemama14 on Apr 6, 2009 23:14:20 GMT
{I hope Blackburn go down if only because it immobilises Allardyce's ability to come in and get him. }
i seriously believe if we stay up even if big sam goes in for him i think Abby will want to stay here he loves it here (: just as much as we love havin him here
|
|
|
Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 6, 2009 23:15:30 GMT
Ric is the Holy Ghost
|
|
|
Post by stantheman on Apr 6, 2009 23:19:25 GMT
Glen Whelan is the Pope ;D STM
|
|
|
Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 6, 2009 23:28:41 GMT
{I hope Blackburn go down if only because it immobilises Allardyce's ability to come in and get him. } i seriously believe if we stay up even if big sam goes in for him i think Abby will want to stay here he loves it here (: just as much as we love havin him here Agreed. It would probably take an approach from one of the top five for him to even start thinking about leaving.
|
|
|
Post by barmystokie1 on Apr 7, 2009 0:09:05 GMT
yes Beattie has been a huge signing for us. and as done more than any player to try and keep us up in a short time period......
BUT you do also have to give credit to pulis for having the bravery to get him when no wanted to take the risk. ...... ethers has also been a great signing and pulis positivity to continually install belief and confidence to play well all season at home when lesser teams' confidence would have faded due to our poor form.
|
|
|
Post by elystokie on Apr 7, 2009 7:32:07 GMT
Here's what I'd say: In the summer, attracting players was difficult. Kitson helped because it kind of showed intent to some players and perhaps helped us to bring in Abdy. Even if he did nothing else for us, he did that. Pulis could not get his A-list targets though. He always wants experienced Premiership players but he needed ones fit enough for the Premiership. Which experienced Premiership players would be interested in joining a team tipped to do a Derby? Robbie Savage? No thanks. Zigic? A good striker, even if not Premiership experienced, but a meeting with Scholes put paid to him. Riggott is reported to have said "No thanks". We had to get in players from the Championship, gambles. Olofinjana, Amdy Faye, Davies, Sonko. On deadline day, we realised we were still short of a good left back (Wilkinson and Dickinson proving real liabilities at the time) and two midfielders, especially on the left. Pulis had to turn to the Z list and pick up Tonge and Soares, players he clearly doesn't trust. Both have had good cameos but their fair share of poor performance. Soares seems to suffer from the Dadasons. He turned to Higginbotham for the left back spot, a man who wasn't very good there in the Championship and wasn't wanted by Sunderland. Carson turned us down and we had to get Sorensen, who was desperate for a club after his stock fell incredibly low. I think Pulis tried to resolve this in January with our newly consolidated position. He got in Etherington, a real left wing solution and Beattie, an experienced striker. I think Sheffield United would have been trying to really extort us in the summer over Beattie, I don't doubt Pulis wanted him. They were trying to play a crafty game with him in January, too. Hopefully, we'll be in a better position to attract real targets this summer and maybe we can shift out some deadwood. I don't think Griffin is long for this world and I don't think we'll follow up Kelly. I doubt Camara will be back either. A new central midfielder (because our back up is cag), possibly a Whelan style ball-player, a new left back, a new right back and possibly a right winger should be on our shopping list. Pretty much spot bollock I'd say, nice one.
|
|
|
Post by Pugsley on Apr 7, 2009 7:47:49 GMT
Signing Beattie is a masterstroke and the work of genius, yet signing Kitson and other rubbing rags is brushed under the carpet.
All managers make good and bad signings - Pulis is no different. Beattie and Ethers are good signings and were what we needed at the time. In fact we needed a wide left player for 5 years but still. Kitson, Sonko Olifinyana are poor signings and in hindsight (some things that the Rimmers rely on) were a waste of money.
Pulis is doing his job as a football manager.
|
|
|
Post by hchpotter on Apr 7, 2009 7:59:11 GMT
First of all Pulis, Beattie and Stoke City are not safe. Lose on Saturday and we're right back in it.
Secondly, Beattie has been a great signing but one player hasn't saved the manager or the club. Pulis identified the player, Coates funded the purchase and the ten other players on the pitch have contributed magnificently alongside Beattie. Credit to all of them.
And as for wasting money on Kitson, Ollie, Soares, Tonge do you think Coates would have stayed loyal to Pulis if he thought all of his cash had been wasted?
6 points clear, 13th position and seven games to go is fantastic. But the minute we become complacent we will lose some of our edge. We're not safe. Pulis is not saved. And Beattie's 36 grand a week would be a huge liability in the championship.
Seven games to go and we've still got to give it everything. Come on Stoke!!!
|
|