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Post by stonestokie! on Feb 16, 2009 13:22:28 GMT
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Post by stokie5554 on Feb 16, 2009 13:49:42 GMT
Yhh Matee i was out in blurton on a friday night and some people gave me a leaflet
about Mark chester and scott lawton doing a youth club im defo goin go !
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Post by Beardy200 on Feb 16, 2009 13:59:42 GMT
What are they doing?
Giving the kids free baseball bats?
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Post by stonestokie! on Feb 16, 2009 14:36:01 GMT
What are they doing? Giving the kids free baseball bats?  |
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Post by white wall boy on Feb 16, 2009 17:23:00 GMT
Scott Lawton is a crackin lad and good luck to him if he's giving something back to the community and trying to give young uns abit of advice
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Post by glouscesterstokie on Feb 16, 2009 20:35:48 GMT
oh look they've grown up
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Post by vodka on Feb 16, 2009 20:37:35 GMT
Wtf shall i post one of me helping an old lady cross the road?
Who cares!
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Post by MUZZPERTH on Feb 16, 2009 20:41:17 GMT
good on them. better lads that know the street talking to youngsters than some twat with a shirt + tie who has a degree in some useless subject.
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Post by Dave the Rave on Feb 16, 2009 21:20:00 GMT
They should be in jail, not out pretending to be good citizens.
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Post by smirny72 on Feb 16, 2009 21:24:09 GMT
Im not saying that what they were involved in was right but doesnt everybody deserve a second chance. If they are helping the community in some way then good on them. He who lives in greenhouses shouldnt throw stones and all that.  My pearls of wisdom lol Tony Pulis got a second chance Il dive for cover shall I. |
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Post by Dave the Rave on Feb 16, 2009 21:27:02 GMT
No,
They don't deserve a second chance. If they had run a red light, or shoplifted a mars bar, then fair enough, but taking pleasure in beating the shit out of another human being is something entirely different.
These people aren't human beings, they're animals, and should have been put down as such the first time they were convicted of anything so disgustingingly violent.
The world is bad enough without these retards going around fighting like gorillas.
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Post by kingdeano on Feb 16, 2009 21:29:25 GMT
No, They don't deserve a second chance. If they had run a red light, or shoplifted a mars bar, then fair enough, but taking pleasure in beating the shit out of another human being is something entirely different. These people aren't human beings, they're animals, and should have been put down as such the first time they were convicted of anything so disgustingingly violent. The world is bad enough without these retards going around fighting like wild animals. they took pleasure in beating people who wanted beat them, in all fairness if two sets of blokes decide meet up for a punch up and it doesnt affect anyone let them get on with it. they aint harming you are they?? if you read his book he always stated they only fought with people who wanted it. |
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Post by Dave the Rave on Feb 16, 2009 21:31:44 GMT
He may have stated that, but i'll bet you anything there would have been innocent people who got caught up in it every now and then, not to mention the wasting of police and NHS time.
And regardless of that, even if the other people were happy to 'fight', what kind of people take pleasure in fighting?
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Post by kingdeano on Feb 16, 2009 21:34:19 GMT
He may have stated that, but i'll bet you anything there would have been innocent people who got caught up in it. And regardless of that, even if the other people were happy to 'fight', what kind of people take pleasure in fighting? well obviously they took pleasure in fighting, or they wouldnt do it, their is trouble at virtually every football match in england on a matchday, if you choose to get involved then you can, but their is also ways of staying well clear. i aint defending it, but if thats what they get kicks out of then leave them to it, as long as they go somewhere quiet i couldnt care less |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Feb 16, 2009 21:35:11 GMT
good on them. better lads that know the street talking to youngsters than some twat with a shirt + tie who has a degree in some useless subject. What about people who were a bit 'naughty' who went on to get degrees ( Psychology or Sociology, usually, quite often in Prison.)..? |
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Post by Dave the Rave on Feb 16, 2009 21:36:02 GMT
That's fair enough deano, but wouldn't the world be a nicer place if these inbreds were never on it?
There's only one answer to that.
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Post by Dave the Rave on Feb 16, 2009 21:38:15 GMT
Back to the actual topic, i can't see how just talking to the scum of stoke on trent or offering them a youth centre is going to make them start behaving to be honest.
The problem with scum is it's usually incredibly thick, meaning trying to reason with it simply doesn't work.
If these youths want to cause trouble, they will, it's that simple.
Scum doesn't understand actions & consequences.
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Post by kingdeano on Feb 16, 2009 21:41:16 GMT
dave in answer yes it would be a lot nicer, i attend quite a few rugby matches and i must admit i enjoy watching fans sit and mix with each other, and they are allowed to have a pint in their seats if they want aswell
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Post by crimesy on Feb 16, 2009 21:41:37 GMT
No, They don't deserve a second chance. If they had run a red light, or shoplifted a mars bar, then fair enough, but taking pleasure in beating the shit out of another human being is something entirely different. These people aren't human beings, they're animals, and should have been put down as such the first time they were convicted of anything so disgustingingly violent. The world is bad enough without these retards going around fighting like wild animals. they took pleasure in beating people who wanted beat them, in all fairness if two sets of blokes decide meet up for a punch up and it doesnt affect anyone let them get on with it. they aint harming you are they?? if you read his book he always stated they only fought with people who wanted it. well actually yes, they do. ID cards, bad reputation and KO times forwarded are 3 of many disadvantages to having such people support your team  |
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Post by smirny72 on Feb 16, 2009 21:42:18 GMT
But if it helped just one then its surely worth it?
Some of them were business men wernt they? Like I said its not my cup of tea I go for the footie and some banter although sometimes I have felt like punching someone I will admit. I wouldnt tho and never have.
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Post by crimesy on Feb 16, 2009 21:47:34 GMT
Thats the difference though isn't it sminy, the fine line between wanting to punch an opposing fan and doing so.
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Post by smirny72 on Feb 16, 2009 21:53:29 GMT
Yes thats true and sometimes a very fine line especially when we come up against Manure |
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Post by Parkerson on Feb 16, 2009 21:59:47 GMT
Mark Chesters working the doors at a night club in Blackpool now....
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Post by danmase on Feb 16, 2009 21:59:59 GMT
But if it helped just one then its surely worth it? Some of them were business men wernt they? Like I said its not my cup of tea I go for the footie and some banter although sometimes I have felt like punching someone I will admit. I wouldnt tho and never have. But thats what makes them different to us isn't it. The way some of them (and other criminals) are allowed to profit from there crimes is something with which I am hugely uncomfortable. I am all for reformation but there is something that leaves me very uneasy about this 'look at me I used to beat people up but now I am a nice guy' routine, and the way the sentinel/local media laps it all up risks glorifying the wrongs as much as highlighting the new found goodness. If they want to help out then great but I really don't want them being paraded in the media for it. They don't deserve it imho. |
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Post by MUZZPERTH on Feb 16, 2009 22:00:24 GMT
good on them. better lads that know the street talking to youngsters than some twat with a shirt + tie who has a degree in some useless subject. What about people who were a bit 'naughty' who went on to get degrees ( Psychology or Sociology, usually, quite often in Prison.)..? apologies, i was aiming the dig at those who spent their youth sitting in their bedrooms and still think they are in touch with the minds of the lad on the street. |
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Post by danmase on Feb 16, 2009 22:05:21 GMT
What about people who were a bit 'naughty' who went on to get degrees ( Psychology or Sociology, usually, quite often in Prison.)..? apologies, i was aiming the dig at those who spent their youth sitting in their bedrooms and still think they are in touch with the minds of the lad on the street. with all due repect if I had children I would much rather they got social guidance of lets say a teacher who 'spent his youth sat in his bedroom' than a youth who went around kicking somebody's head in because he supported a different football team |
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Post by smirny72 on Feb 16, 2009 22:09:47 GMT
sometimes its easier to speak to someone who understands the way u r and not some authority to tell u what u should be doing or thinking. Experience ,however wrong, is sometimes better than looking it up in the books and analysing the particular person.
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 16, 2009 22:24:46 GMT
No, They don't deserve a second chance. If they had run a red light, or shoplifted a mars bar, then fair enough, but taking pleasure in beating the shit out of another human being is something entirely different. These people aren't human beings, they're animals, and should have been put down as such the first time they were convicted of anything so disgustingingly violent. The world is bad enough without these retards going around fighting like gorillas. Playing Devil's Advocate here, aren't you being a touch hypocritical? |
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Post by Dave the Rave on Feb 16, 2009 22:26:02 GMT
No, They don't deserve a second chance. If they had run a red light, or shoplifted a mars bar, then fair enough, but taking pleasure in beating the shit out of another human being is something entirely different. These people aren't human beings, they're animals, and should have been put down as such the first time they were convicted of anything so disgustingingly violent. The world is bad enough without these retards going around fighting like gorillas. Playing Devil's Advocate here, aren't you being a touch hypocritical? In what sense? |
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Post by chinesedave on Feb 16, 2009 22:31:12 GMT
He's an intelligent bloke believe it or not, we had a few coaches from Trader Jacks in the 90s with him and he may have had a dark side but he would seek out their boys who wanted it...nobody else...no random missiles, no vandalism, no drunkeness, no random thuggery...get my drift... |
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