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Post by Dave the Rave on Feb 16, 2009 21:34:35 GMT
i would honestly sooner fuckin die than cheer the shit on in any comp. That is honestly the most pathetic thing i have ever, ever, ever read. You my friend need to get a life, and quick.
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Post by kingdeano on Feb 16, 2009 21:38:57 GMT
no matter how much you want them to win in europe kd, and nothing you say will make me change my mind, i want inter to beat them and beat them big style. i would honestly sooner fuckin die than cheer the shit on in any comp. Put it this way, you cheer them to glory in europe, they pocket all the cash that goes with this glory, they then buy even bigger cheats than they have now, the bigger cheat the bought scores the goal that beats Stoke..................shit thats already happened. COME ON INTER STICK IT UP THESE ARGIE LOVING TWATS. who says i want them win the european cup? i just said i wanted them to beat an italian side, when they play an english team i couldnt care less what happens to them, i just refuse to cheer on a team that comes from another country.
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 16, 2009 21:53:17 GMT
Good post ivanlodarov! My dislike stems purely from the preferential treatment that Man U get in this league. I was indifferent prior to us obtaining Prem status but each game i watch, i see further injustice because Man U are percieved to be 'the elite'. I feel the same about people in society who achieve through perceived status and inherited financial security rather than hard earned merit and deserved financial acquisition. I will always want the under dog to prosper and succeed, so i will always be a stokie ;D Its difficult to see from the perspective of other clubs. Do you think the general hatred has been magnified by being in the Premier League? The thing is, from my point of view, the modern Manchester United is the brainchild of Alex Ferguson's life work along with a few helping hands in terms of club staff, boards and owners. You'll be hard pushed to find a genuine United fan who doesn't think the whole concept of being owned by an American isn't the root of all evil. It is. We're hundreds of millions of pounds in debt and as committed supporters getting royally screwed by ever increasing ticket prices and the shackles of the Automatic Cup Scheme. However, the soul of the club is in its history, something that existed before these owners and will exist beyond these owners. I wasn't born until 1985 so I didn't necessarily experience the 26 trophyless years and division 2. I haven't felt much of (well any of) the pain really and have been fortunate to see nothing but success. Obviously, I will never appreciate it as much as people in their 50s who had to deal with the torture of City and Liverpool being more dominant than us. I think when people say they feel sorry for us, that's probably where they're coming from. What's a high without a low? At the end of the day though, you support the club that your dad supports and the club that his dad supported. That's how it works. With Sky coming onto the scene though, a lot of kids seem to be missing the point. There's two kids living in the house next to me under the age of 10, one supports Liverpool and the other Arsenal. What's wrong with United of City FFS!? Anyway, it's good to be properly hated again, a lot of people seemed to be warming to us when we were the lesser of two evils between in 2006 by stopping Chelski win the league for the third season in a row. To be honest (this in reference to your earlier post as well), I don't have that much of a problem with your genuine supporters. Your club seem to be trying to phase you out in favour of some day-trippers who'll go into the megastore before the match and pay scandalous ticket prices. The £45 I paid to go and see us play there this season was absolutely ridiculous for any game of football. I've got sympathy with you over the Americans. So far as I'm aware, you were one of the few clubs not to operate in debt prior to the takeover? It's not just Sky that's turning the kids though, it's the whole Premier League setup and its all focused around greed. Martin Edwards wanted to kill off smaller clubs because they take too much money. Richard Scudamore says that its better if only one team wins the league every year so that the true supporters abroad can settle on one team. It's a real joke. If you go to Wembley, you can buy replica kits of any of the 'big four', Barcelona or Madrid. The problem for me is that the genuine supporters are now so much in the minority that for many people Manchester United are represented by that clueless berk who everybody knows who walks around in his favourite replica kit telling everyone how great his team are and how everyone is jealous of him. The kind of daytripper mentioned in the previous paragraph. These are the people who make your team so reviled. I'm sorry, but there's some amount of corruption in the game as well, when it comes to your club. Teams get dodgy decisions all the time, but never do teams quite so consistently have the majority of decisions in their favour as you do. Whether that's corruption on the referee's part (unlikely) or the referee being just plain starstruck (I refer you to Rob Styles in the Liverpool - Sheffield United match a few years ago, after he awarded a penalty for a Gerrard dive 'I saw Steve and the Defender go into the box together and when Steve went down, I knew he doesn't dive and gave the penalty'), it's not right. Ronaldo could easily have been sent off for retaliation three matches in a row (Tottenham, Stoke and that cup game straight after, can't remember who), and yet got away with it while we've had the law applied to its most pedantic extremes. Then again, we're just dirty Stoke. Ronaldo and Rooney don't help either. They must embarrass you just a little tiny bit when they have their little strops and lash out?
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Post by powchirper on Feb 16, 2009 21:57:53 GMT
i would honestly sooner fuckin die than cheer the shit on in any comp. That is honestly the most pathetic thing i have ever, ever, ever read. You my friend need to get a life, and quick. not that its got anything to do with you or any other shit loving trash that seems to infest this board on a regular basis, but dont you think its my business who i9 choose to hate, as for getting a life, you actualy responded to it, closet shit fan are we.
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Post by history on Feb 16, 2009 21:58:43 GMT
'History' Are you a glory hunting shit fan then ? Like sheep arent you you tiny pricked tosser Are you a racist skin head stoke fan? Fuck off please. Why don't you talk about a rival instead of us all the time. At first it was fun, we let on to you to be 'nice' Now we try to avoid talking to you. Pointless and as worthless and any other no mark teams trying to be our rivals, Derby, West Brom, Boro, Brum, Basically the bottom half of the league. Don't give a shit if you call me arrgoant, Glory hunter because i could take you on anyday about football, Myths about us, or football before 1992 yes there was football before sky i know that. So before you try that one you boring cunt. Take me on just try it. We are Manchester united. Hate us or Adore us, we are always the topic of conversation.
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Post by Dave the Rave on Feb 16, 2009 21:59:09 GMT
That is honestly the most pathetic thing i have ever, ever, ever read. You my friend need to get a life, and quick. not that its got anything to do with you or any other shit loving trash that seems to infest this board on a regular basis, but dont you think its my business who i9 choose to hate, as for getting a life, you actualy responded to it, closet shit fan are we. It's only football.
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Post by stokie25 on Feb 16, 2009 22:02:41 GMT
Very well said MD! I don't want us to be perceived as an envious fanbase, because of the vitriol that Man U have themselves created. Before long they will be considering themselves 'victims' within the league, and with all due respect to Ivan and a few supporters like him, make further mockery of their club. Genuine fans don't deserve this
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Post by powchirper on Feb 16, 2009 22:08:11 GMT
'History' Are you a glory hunting shit fan then ? Like sheep arent you you tiny pricked tosser Are you a racist skin head stoke fan? Fuck off please. Why don't you talk about a rival instead of us all the time. At first it was fun, we let on to you to be 'nice' Now we try to avoid talking to you. Pointless and as worthless and any other no mark teams trying to be our rivals, Derby, West Brom, Boro, Brum, Basically the bottom half of the league. Don't give a shit if you call me arrgoant, Glory hunter because i could take you on anyday about football, Myths about us, or football before 1992 yes there was football before sky i know that. So before you try that one you boring ****. Take me on just try it. We are Manchester united. Hate us or Adore us, we are always the topic of conversation. What would you wankers think if fans sang "munich, munich" in reply to your very distasteful argentina chant, bearing in mind there were British deaths in the Falklands aswell as munich.
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Post by ivanlodarov on Feb 16, 2009 22:15:08 GMT
Its difficult to see from the perspective of other clubs. Do you think the general hatred has been magnified by being in the Premier League? The thing is, from my point of view, the modern Manchester United is the brainchild of Alex Ferguson's life work along with a few helping hands in terms of club staff, boards and owners. You'll be hard pushed to find a genuine United fan who doesn't think the whole concept of being owned by an American isn't the root of all evil. It is. We're hundreds of millions of pounds in debt and as committed supporters getting royally screwed by ever increasing ticket prices and the shackles of the Automatic Cup Scheme. However, the soul of the club is in its history, something that existed before these owners and will exist beyond these owners. I wasn't born until 1985 so I didn't necessarily experience the 26 trophyless years and division 2. I haven't felt much of (well any of) the pain really and have been fortunate to see nothing but success. Obviously, I will never appreciate it as much as people in their 50s who had to deal with the torture of City and Liverpool being more dominant than us. I think when people say they feel sorry for us, that's probably where they're coming from. What's a high without a low? At the end of the day though, you support the club that your dad supports and the club that his dad supported. That's how it works. With Sky coming onto the scene though, a lot of kids seem to be missing the point. There's two kids living in the house next to me under the age of 10, one supports Liverpool and the other Arsenal. What's wrong with United of City FFS!? Anyway, it's good to be properly hated again, a lot of people seemed to be warming to us when we were the lesser of two evils between in 2006 by stopping Chelski win the league for the third season in a row. To be honest (this in reference to your earlier post as well), I don't have that much of a problem with your genuine supporters. Your club seem to be trying to phase you out in favour of some day-trippers who'll go into the megastore before the match and pay scandalous ticket prices. The £45 I paid to go and see us play there this season was absolutely ridiculous for any game of football. I've got sympathy with you over the Americans. So far as I'm aware, you were one of the few clubs not to operate in debt prior to the takeover? It's not just Sky that's turning the kids though, it's the whole Premier League setup and its all focused around greed. Martin Edwards wanted to kill off smaller clubs because they take too much money. Richard Scudamore says that its better if only one team wins the league every year so that the true supporters abroad can settle on one team. It's a real joke. If you go to Wembley, you can buy replica kits of any of the 'big four', Barcelona or Madrid. The problem for me is that the genuine supporters are now so much in the minority that for many people Manchester United are represented by that clueless berk who everybody knows who walks around in his favourite replica kit telling everyone how great his team are and how everyone is jealous of him. The kind of daytripper mentioned in the previous paragraph. These are the people who make your team so reviled. I'm sorry, but there's some amount of corruption in the game as well, when it comes to your club. Teams get dodgy decisions all the time, but never do teams quite so consistently have the majority of decisions in their favour as you do. Whether that's corruption on the referee's part (unlikely) or the referee being just plain starstruck (I refer you to Rob Styles in the Liverpool - Sheffield United match a few years ago, after he awarded a penalty for a Gerrard dive 'I saw Steve and the Defender go into the box together and when Steve went down, I knew he doesn't dive and gave the penalty'), it's not right. Ronaldo could easily have been sent off for retaliation three matches in a row (Tottenham, Stoke and that cup game straight after, can't remember who), and yet got away with it while we've had the law applied to its most pedantic extremes. Then again, we're just dirty Stoke. Ronaldo and Rooney don't help either. They must embarrass you just a little tiny bit when they have their little strops and lash out? As said in my first serious post (not the Possebon one), I'm very much of the opinion that Ronaldo's a cunt, but he's our cunt, so back off! ;D I don't buy into the corruption argument. I was looking on Red and White Kop a week or two ago where Liverpool fans were saying exactly the same thing. Bloody Liverpool of all teams. Personally, I think there's a severe lack of quality in refereeing. The bigger clubs get more decisions than the smaller clubs, that's the same all over the world. Referee's today are under far more pressure than ever because a single bad call can cost a club £40 million. People say United always get penalties at Old Trafford. This works both ways though, a lot of referees go the other way completely and refuse to give us any decisions. Seriously though, bad decisions are rife throughout football. Look at the penalty Stephen Taylor got for Newcastle against Sunderland. If anything Taylor fouled the Sunderland player. How crucial could those two points be. I've only seen Stoke three or four times this season. I think your succession of red cards could be linked to your dogged style of play. You set out to play in a counter attacking style based on resolute defence, home and away. That's in no way a criticism, it's no different from any of United's Euro Aways. The problem is because this doesn't allow much creative freedom players become naturally frustrated. I know Ronaldo's lashed out a few times this season, and he had been a lucky lad. Taking the incident where he got your player sent off though, from a Rugby perspective, it's the player who seeks retribution who always gets in the most trouble. In defence of how the FA treat us, we get our fair share of punishment. The 4 match ban for Evra was farcical. Also, after all the bullshit about the respect campaign, the only manager to have been penalised in any serious way was Ferguson with a £10,000 fine (laughable I know, but double what anyone else received) and a 2 match touchline ban. Pulis should definitely be commended for keeping his mouth shut throughout the season. It's clever management, he doesn't need any negativity in the dressing room. He will also probably believe that the league isn't about refereeing decisions. The only thing in your control in football is what the 11 players do on the pitch. Managers have to make sure it stays that way.
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Post by ivanlodarov on Feb 16, 2009 22:18:37 GMT
Are you a racist skin head stoke fan? Fuck off please. Why don't you talk about a rival instead of us all the time. At first it was fun, we let on to you to be 'nice' Now we try to avoid talking to you. Pointless and as worthless and any other no mark teams trying to be our rivals, Derby, West Brom, Boro, Brum, Basically the bottom half of the league. Don't give a shit if you call me arrgoant, Glory hunter because i could take you on anyday about football, Myths about us, or football before 1992 yes there was football before sky i know that. So before you try that one you boring ****. Take me on just try it. We are Manchester united. Hate us or Adore us, we are always the topic of conversation. What would you wankers think if fans sang "munich, munich" in reply to your very distasteful argentina chant, bearing in mind there were British deaths in the Falklands aswell as munich. Right, this definitely needs to be clarified. Collymore was being a tosser about this today, when he clearly knows nothing about it. We have a certain player called Tevez, who we adore, and will be gutted to see leave. This song is for him, purely him and no-one else. It's not disrespectful to people who fought in the Falklands war because it's got nothing to do with war. It's football. We love Tevez. Tevez loves it when we chant Argentina. He's been quoted as saying it makes him feel twice as tall. That's what supporting your team is all about.
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Post by history on Feb 16, 2009 22:22:04 GMT
The only thing anti it's maybe chanted at is the English football team. Not a war which has nothing to do with football. Do you really think something could get that much of a loud airing if it was about deaths? Get a grip
We want Tevez to stay, whats the best way to get the message across??????
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Post by powchirper on Feb 16, 2009 22:23:34 GMT
bollox, you sang it way before that pig ugly wanker played for you.
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Post by ivanlodarov on Feb 16, 2009 22:24:39 GMT
bollox, you sang it way before that pig ugly wanker played for you. For Gabi Heinze. Now he was a cunt of a man.
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Post by powchirper on Feb 16, 2009 22:26:44 GMT
last thing before i leave you to your wank over pig-boy, how come none of you shit fans put a location in your sig. just a thought like.
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Post by history on Feb 16, 2009 22:28:55 GMT
Is that a serious question? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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Post by ivanlodarov on Feb 16, 2009 22:29:56 GMT
The only other time we sing it is as an anti-England chant. It's only meant in football terms though.
United fans in general dislike your generic 'Ingerlund' fan because of the shit they gave Beckham after 1998, not to mention the amount of players that come back injured.
It's purely aimed at England fans, not even the England football team. Quite where the British Army comes into it, I don't know, but it has nothing to do with the Falklands.
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Post by history on Feb 16, 2009 22:32:06 GMT
Bang on ivan. You go from Booing Rooney, Neville, Rio at games then have ago when we sing anti England songs? *****.
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Post by powchirper on Feb 16, 2009 22:32:19 GMT
you sing the name of a country we were at war with recently, the other question is still unanswered.
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Post by ivanlodarov on Feb 16, 2009 22:32:44 GMT
last thing before i leave you to your wank over pig-boy, how come none of you shit fans put a location in your sig. just a thought like. Seems like your fellow Stoke fans on here don't take you seriously. Your question was answered in my second post, had you taken the time to read it, you would know where I'm from. I can also assure you, having met him, that History is from the same place.
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 16, 2009 22:36:39 GMT
To be honest (this in reference to your earlier post as well), I don't have that much of a problem with your genuine supporters. Your club seem to be trying to phase you out in favour of some day-trippers who'll go into the megastore before the match and pay scandalous ticket prices. The £45 I paid to go and see us play there this season was absolutely ridiculous for any game of football. I've got sympathy with you over the Americans. So far as I'm aware, you were one of the few clubs not to operate in debt prior to the takeover? It's not just Sky that's turning the kids though, it's the whole Premier League setup and its all focused around greed. Martin Edwards wanted to kill off smaller clubs because they take too much money. Richard Scudamore says that its better if only one team wins the league every year so that the true supporters abroad can settle on one team. It's a real joke. If you go to Wembley, you can buy replica kits of any of the 'big four', Barcelona or Madrid. The problem for me is that the genuine supporters are now so much in the minority that for many people Manchester United are represented by that clueless berk who everybody knows who walks around in his favourite replica kit telling everyone how great his team are and how everyone is jealous of him. The kind of daytripper mentioned in the previous paragraph. These are the people who make your team so reviled. I'm sorry, but there's some amount of corruption in the game as well, when it comes to your club. Teams get dodgy decisions all the time, but never do teams quite so consistently have the majority of decisions in their favour as you do. Whether that's corruption on the referee's part (unlikely) or the referee being just plain starstruck (I refer you to Rob Styles in the Liverpool - Sheffield United match a few years ago, after he awarded a penalty for a Gerrard dive 'I saw Steve and the Defender go into the box together and when Steve went down, I knew he doesn't dive and gave the penalty'), it's not right. Ronaldo could easily have been sent off for retaliation three matches in a row (Tottenham, Stoke and that cup game straight after, can't remember who), and yet got away with it while we've had the law applied to its most pedantic extremes. Then again, we're just dirty Stoke. Ronaldo and Rooney don't help either. They must embarrass you just a little tiny bit when they have their little strops and lash out? As said in my first serious post (not the Possebon one), I'm very much of the opinion that Ronaldo's a cunt, but he's our cunt, so back off! ;D I don't buy into the corruption argument. I was looking on Red and White Kop a week or two ago where Liverpool fans were saying exactly the same thing. Bloody Liverpool of all teams. Personally, I think there's a severe lack of quality in refereeing. The bigger clubs get more decisions than the smaller clubs, that's the same all over the world. Referee's today are under far more pressure than ever because a single bad call can cost a club £40 million. People say United always get penalties at Old Trafford. This works both ways though, a lot of referees go the other way completely and refuse to give us any decisions. Seriously though, bad decisions are rife throughout football. Look at the penalty Stephen Taylor got for Newcastle against Sunderland. If anything Taylor fouled the Sunderland player. How crucial could those two points be. I've only seen Stoke three or four times this season. I think your succession of red cards could be linked to your dogged style of play. You set out to play in a counter attacking style based on resolute defence, home and away. That's in no way a criticism, it's no different from any of United's Euro Aways. The problem is because this doesn't allow much creative freedom players become naturally frustrated. I know Ronaldo's lashed out a few times this season, and he had been a lucky lad. Taking the incident where he got your player sent off though, from a Rugby perspective, it's the player who seeks retribution who always gets in the most trouble. In defence of how the FA treat us, we get our fair share of punishment. The 4 match ban for Evra was farcical. Also, after all the bullshit about the respect campaign, the only manager to have been penalised in any serious way was Ferguson with a £10,000 fine (laughable I know, but double what anyone else received) and a 2 match touchline ban. Pulis should definitely be commended for keeping his mouth shut throughout the season. It's clever management, he doesn't need any negativity in the dressing room. He will also probably believe that the league isn't about refereeing decisions. The only thing in your control in football is what the 11 players do on the pitch. Managers have to make sure it stays that way. Some of the refereeing really is farcical, there's a lack of competence. Depending on who you listen to, a lot of the top level referees (Mr Styles being one) are not used as top-level referees because of their competence, but because of connections, dresses up nicely etc. I do think though that there's a bit of naivety in there somewhere - Delap got booked for a tackle where Walcott threw himself dramatically over the top of him and hurt his arm completing the dive. Walcott plays for England, therefore yellow card to Delap. Gerrard is one of the biggest divers in English football, but he's seldom punished for it. I don't know, the whole disciplinary system is wrong, their retrospective action system just doesn't get things right. How can the linesman have seen Bosingwa kicking the Liverpool player in the back and decided it warranted no action? Retrospective three match ban, please. Regarding the Respect programme, the players need to be brought equally into line. Sending off Gerrard, Rooney and various others every time they scream 'Fuck Off' in the referee's face would soon bring an end to that, but they just aren't brave enough. Book everybody who dissents except the captain and they'd soon get the picture. There'd be hell up in the press and amongst the managers, so I think referees steer clear of that sort of thing. Only Rob Styles and (in the past) Graham Poll seem to really enjoy the limelight, hence Styles sending somebody off every single game.
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 16, 2009 22:37:58 GMT
Bang on ivan. You go from Booing Rooney, Neville, Rio at games then have ago when we sing anti England songs? *****. I think you'll find we haven't booed the man with no attention span, he hasn't played against us this season.
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Post by history on Feb 16, 2009 22:40:43 GMT
you sing the name of a country we were at war with recently, the other question is still unanswered. So what we went to war with them? It's in the past. We have a player who's from there who we love get over it. Stop reading the sun and listening to that wife beating prick collymore. If you want to make something out of it do it. I'm from Manchester. Well am Currently live in Stockport now. (which if you've never been out of stoke is still only 11 miles away from OT)
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Post by history on Feb 16, 2009 22:42:22 GMT
Bang on ivan. You go from Booing Rooney, Neville, Rio at games then have ago when we sing anti England songs? *****. I think you'll find we haven't booed the man with no attention span, he hasn't played against us this season. Sorry, i must of got you mixedup with every other No mark team we go to. You have to hand it to Rio though, he did well to remember to pick up those trophies last season.
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 16, 2009 22:43:19 GMT
I think you'll find we haven't booed the man with no attention span, he hasn't played against us this season. Sorry, i must of got you mixedup with every other No mark team we go to. Too easy. Way too easy.
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Post by history on Feb 16, 2009 22:46:00 GMT
Sorry, i must of got you mixedup with every other No mark team we go to. Too easy. Way too easy. I hope you realised, that Rio was the butt of the joke about his attention for a good few years at united so that comment really doesnt do anything. (Wait i need to put something smart and cocky) Cheesy, Way to Cheesy
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Post by BristolMick on Feb 16, 2009 22:47:14 GMT
I hate Manchester and all that they stand for with a passion.
I hate the way the NATIONAL press call them "United" like they are everyones local club totally disrespecting every other club with the same name.
I hate the way they get bent and star struck refs helping them when they are the last club that needs any help.
Most of all I hate the cancerous glory hunting parasites that support them, (and Liverpool, Chelsea, and Arsenal) who have no connection with the place but ensure through their behaviour that their local club will never have any chance whatsoever of winning anything meaningful.
However, Ivanlodarov - I have absolutely no problem with you or any of the thousands of other genuine fans just supporting their local club. You make some very good points in your posts. It is a sad state of play when the good people of Salford and Stretford have next to zero chance of watching their local team play because of all the tourists that pour into Old Trafford for every game. I can totally see why some people were frustrated enough to form FC United of Manchester.
It would be good for the game if a really big club went to the wall. I wouldn't be fussed if it was Chelsea or Liverpool but the best result for English football would be if it was Manchester. That would really change things for the better and shake things up. It needs something like that for everyone to see that if football is to thrive it has to be a competitive sport where the results are less predictable and the gong winners are not the same bloody teams year after year.
BM
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Post by ivanlodarov on Feb 16, 2009 22:48:48 GMT
As said in my first serious post (not the Possebon one), I'm very much of the opinion that Ronaldo's a cunt, but he's our cunt, so back off! ;D I don't buy into the corruption argument. I was looking on Red and White Kop a week or two ago where Liverpool fans were saying exactly the same thing. Bloody Liverpool of all teams. Personally, I think there's a severe lack of quality in refereeing. The bigger clubs get more decisions than the smaller clubs, that's the same all over the world. Referee's today are under far more pressure than ever because a single bad call can cost a club £40 million. People say United always get penalties at Old Trafford. This works both ways though, a lot of referees go the other way completely and refuse to give us any decisions. Seriously though, bad decisions are rife throughout football. Look at the penalty Stephen Taylor got for Newcastle against Sunderland. If anything Taylor fouled the Sunderland player. How crucial could those two points be. I've only seen Stoke three or four times this season. I think your succession of red cards could be linked to your dogged style of play. You set out to play in a counter attacking style based on resolute defence, home and away. That's in no way a criticism, it's no different from any of United's Euro Aways. The problem is because this doesn't allow much creative freedom players become naturally frustrated. I know Ronaldo's lashed out a few times this season, and he had been a lucky lad. Taking the incident where he got your player sent off though, from a Rugby perspective, it's the player who seeks retribution who always gets in the most trouble. In defence of how the FA treat us, we get our fair share of punishment. The 4 match ban for Evra was farcical. Also, after all the bullshit about the respect campaign, the only manager to have been penalised in any serious way was Ferguson with a £10,000 fine (laughable I know, but double what anyone else received) and a 2 match touchline ban. Pulis should definitely be commended for keeping his mouth shut throughout the season. It's clever management, he doesn't need any negativity in the dressing room. He will also probably believe that the league isn't about refereeing decisions. The only thing in your control in football is what the 11 players do on the pitch. Managers have to make sure it stays that way. Some of the refereeing really is farcical, there's a lack of competence. Depending on who you listen to, a lot of the top level referees (Mr Styles being one) are not used as top-level referees because of their competence, but because of connections, dresses up nicely etc. I do think though that there's a bit of naivety in there somewhere - Delap got booked for a tackle where Walcott threw himself dramatically over the top of him and hurt his arm completing the dive. Walcott plays for England, therefore yellow card to Delap. Gerrard is one of the biggest divers in English football, but he's seldom punished for it. I don't know, the whole disciplinary system is wrong, their retrospective action system just doesn't get things right. How can the linesman have seen Bosingwa kicking the Liverpool player in the back and decided it warranted no action? Retrospective three match ban, please. Regarding the Respect programme, the players need to be brought equally into line. Sending off Gerrard, Rooney and various others every time they scream 'Fuck Off' in the referee's face would soon bring an end to that, but they just aren't brave enough. Book everybody who dissents except the captain and they'd soon get the picture. There'd be hell up in the press and amongst the managers, so I think referees steer clear of that sort of thing. Only Rob Styles and (in the past) Graham Poll seem to really enjoy the limelight, hence Styles sending somebody off every single game. Unfortunately, Howard Webb, a cracking ref two years ago has also become a parody of himself a la Poll and loves the limelight aswell now. Whistle happy fucker. It will change in time, FIFA are experimenting with having four extra officials on the touchlines to make sure every angle is covered. At the moment though, I think there's too much pressure on them and until that changes, they won't be able to attract a new crop of talented refs. I would honestly say though that every team gets their fair share of bad decisions. If I were to believe my dad, United are the most hard done by team in the history of football, I've never heard anyone scream at a TV so much. Unfortunately, Respect in football might just never happen. Somewhere along the line, refs aren't given permission to send players off for serious abuse of referees. Poll tried it by sending McFadden two or three years ago, quite rightly, www.guardian.co.uk/football/2006/nov/10/newsstory.sport6 but the barage of media abuse and accusations of being a big time charlie has put off refs ever trying it again. I played rugby for 8 years, and although it's not as angelic as it's made out to be, it starts with calling the ref sir and speaking to him politely. This is encouraged from day one. If football took the same approach at grassroots, worldwide, who knows, maybe it could change in time. Probably not though.
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 16, 2009 22:49:59 GMT
I hope you realised, that Rio was the butt of the joke about his attention for a good few years at united so that comment really doesnt do anything. (Wait i need to put something smart and cocky) Cheesy, Way to Cheesy Except that was a smart edit after I'd made the original post. Good on you. See, here's the difference between you and ivanlodarov. ivanlodarov - Decent, proper supporter you can have a decent conversation with. history - Typical arrogant cockend who has little to no interest in any real discussion and just wants to gloat and trade insult. The smarmy sort of gloryhunter who drives people to dislike Manchester United.
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Post by ivanlodarov on Feb 16, 2009 22:52:20 GMT
I hate Manchester and all that they stand for with a passion. I hate the way the NATIONAL press call them "United" like they are everyones local club totally disrespecting every other club with the same name. I hate the way they get bent and star struck refs helping them when they are the last club that needs any help. Most of all I hate the cancerous glory hunting parasites that support them, (and Liverpool, Chelsea, and Arsenal) who have no connection with the place but ensure through their behaviour that their local club will never have any chance whatsoever of winning anything meaningful. However, Ivanlodarov - I have absolutely no problem with you or any of the thousands of other genuine fans just supporting their local club. You make some very good points in your posts. It is a sad state of play when the good people of Salford and Stretford have next to zero chance of watching their local team play because of all the tourists that pour into Old Trafford for every game. I can totally see why some people were frustrated enough to form FC United of Manchester. It would be good for the game if a really big club went to the wall. I wouldn't be fussed if it was Chelsea or Liverpool but the best result for English football would be if it was Manchester. That would really change things for the better and shake things up. It needs something like that for everyone to see that if football is to thrive it has to be a competitive sport where the results are less predictable and the gong winners are not the same bloody teams year after year. BM If the Glazers outlive Ferguson's reign, United could well be fucked. Cheers to everyone who has been reasonable, its good to know that people from other clubs do realise there are two sides to the coin at our club.
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Post by history on Feb 16, 2009 22:54:11 GMT
I hope you realised, that Rio was the butt of the joke about his attention for a good few years at united so that comment really doesnt do anything. (Wait i need to put something smart and cocky) Cheesy, Way to Cheesy Except that was a smart edit after I'd made the original post. Good on you. See, here's the difference between you and ivanlodarov. ivanlodarov - Decent, proper supporter you can have a decent conversation with. history - Typical arrogant cockend who has little to no interest in any real discussion and just wants to gloat and trade insult. The smarmy sort of gloryhunter who drives people to dislike Manchester United. EASY WAY TOO EASY!!!!!! hahahaha. Ive tried talking sense on here but backward twats like you have none of it. First response i ever had was "Glory hunter scum, fuck off you're not even from manchester"
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