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Post by apb1979 on Feb 11, 2009 19:32:29 GMT
What his everyones thought about Beckham probably equaling the number of caps Bobby Moore has?
I think the media coverage has been way over the top they seem to have forgotten that Peter Shilton has got the most caps because ive not heard his name been mentioned at all.
Also i would say about 10 of the caps are not justified because they were only sub appearences for the last couple of mins of the match.
So in my eyes he has only got 98 proper caps.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2009 19:34:20 GMT
I don't have a problem with him breaking Bobby Moore's record. He's in form, he's as good as any other option we've got on the right, and it's nice to have a quality footballer who actually wants to play for England, given the number who frequently cry off having stained an eyelash.
Congratulations Becks.
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Post by Ddraigcoch on Feb 11, 2009 19:37:48 GMT
For a one trick pony he's done very well.
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Post by NassauDave on Feb 11, 2009 19:38:37 GMT
Good luck to him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2009 19:38:40 GMT
One more trick than the other ponies on the right evidently.
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Post by crimesy on Feb 11, 2009 19:40:38 GMT
Beckham a one trick pony? Oh come on. Congrats to the lad, one of few Manure players i actually had any respect for. He is moving from Galaxy to Milan (by the looks of it) even though his wages will drop considerably just to play high standard football and have a crack at getting into the England team.
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Post by georgeberrysafro on Feb 11, 2009 19:40:53 GMT
Capello isn't a mug...you've only got to look at his England record since he's taken over. He stated players wouldn't be in the squad if not fit/playing regulary or out of form and this has forced Beckham to move to AC and produce some decent displays. If he gets more caps it's because he deserves it, it doesn't matter if you're a sub or not for me.
Anyway, the media is talking about caps for an outfield player so hence little mention for Shilts. Plus, at this rate, if he stays fit, in form and at AC Milan he might get close to Shilton's record as well.
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Post by MrMagic on Feb 11, 2009 19:43:30 GMT
Beckham is massively underrated by a lot of people who reckon he is no good purely because of his "celebrity" status.
As stated earlier by someone else, Capello is no-ones fool, so he'll only be playing on merit.
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Post by Ddraigcoch on Feb 11, 2009 19:44:34 GMT
For a one trick pony he's done very well. Ok ....for a one trick pony now lacking any pace
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Post by scfclifer on Feb 11, 2009 19:47:34 GMT
For a one trick pony he's done very well. Ok ....for a one trick pony now lacking any pace the italians just won the world cup with no pace maybe they can teach him something ;D
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Feb 11, 2009 19:56:41 GMT
You have to admire Beckham for making the most of what talent he has,and he always gives 110%,however I can't help thinking that George Best's rating of Beckham, "He can't use his left foot, he can't tackle,can't beat a man,can't head a ball, other than that he's O.K",does have a ring of truth to it.
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Post by blurtonboy66 on Feb 11, 2009 20:00:56 GMT
Sooner or later it was going to be equalled or broken and why not beckham,i'm sure Bobby moore would have been happy with beckham taking the record when it happens,
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Post by kingdeano on Feb 11, 2009 20:02:47 GMT
superb for the bloke, a great footballer, and what you see of him a great bloke. he will be missed when hes gone, best passer of a ball ive ever seen. well done becks your a legend
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Post by evans1863 on Feb 11, 2009 20:03:52 GMT
Agree with most of that Grandad and done a lot of my anti-Beckham thing in another thread.
Bobby Moore's is more deserved because in those days the England squad was picked on form alone, and substitues weren't used (towards the it became more common but as far as I know Bobby was never brought on?) For a few years Beckham has been picked on reputation whilst his England form has been shocking (not alone I must admit but this is a Beckham thread and not a Fat Frank thread.) Wank 5 minute cameos are not worthy of caps, especially when your one of seven substitues in a pointless game IMO.
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Post by Ddraigcoch on Feb 11, 2009 20:20:04 GMT
Spot on Evo and Grandad....nuff said!
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Post by StoKeith on Feb 11, 2009 20:26:40 GMT
He can't beat a man, but you'll find he doesn't actually need to as he's still the best passer and crosser of the ball around.
Anyone who's seen him for Milan recently would agree.
Also, he puts himself about and battles in a Cresswell-style (actually meant as a compliment!!!), so managers will always like a player like him who has at least some defensive qualities.
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Post by DodgyDino on Feb 11, 2009 22:15:00 GMT
If we had another 10 players who had shown the passion and commitment that Beckham has shown over the years we would probably have won something.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 11, 2009 22:20:35 GMT
Agree with most of that Grandad and done a lot of my anti-Beckham thing in another thread. Bobby Moore's is more deserved because in those days the England squad was picked on form alone, and substitues weren't used (towards the it became more common but as far as I know Bobby was never brought on?) For a few years Beckham has been picked on reputation whilst his England form has been shocking (not alone I must admit but this is a Beckham thread and not a Fat Frank thread.) Wank 5 minute cameos are not worthy of caps, especially when your one of seven substitues in a pointless game IMO. 99 starts, 9 subs. How many of Moore's caps were for meaningless home international matches? Booby Moore is a world footballing legend. Beckham is not on a par with him, something he would probably admit, but he works hard and is still one of our best 25 or so players. Good luck to Beckham - a consumate pro and a good lad.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 11, 2009 22:24:51 GMT
Never in the history of he game has a player been so over rated
He isn't fit to lace Bobby Moore's boots.
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Post by salopstick on Feb 11, 2009 22:28:17 GMT
For a one trick pony he's done very well. Ok ....for a one trick pony now lacking any pace when has beckham ever had pace well done becks though
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 11, 2009 22:29:27 GMT
Valid point by Pugsley. In Moore's day most regular Internationals could look forward to 3 (usually) meaningless games in the home Internationals each year.
Beckham plays in a different era to Moore and you can't really compare the two. Moore was a good all round defender at a time when games were played at a much slower pace than now. Becks is an admittedly limited player who did (does?) take corners and free kicks exceptionally well. Both of them were proud to play for England - which is more than you can say for a lot of players these days.
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Post by lawrence7 on Feb 11, 2009 23:00:22 GMT
beckham has played very well tonight in my opinion for the half he was on.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2009 23:03:38 GMT
Never in the history of he game has a player been so over rated He isn't fit to lace Bobby Moore's boots. Overrated by Manchester Utd, Real Madrid and AC Milan, three of the biggest teams in the world. The team is picked on form by Cappello. That's why Beckham is in it. The game has changed since Moore's day, is it his fault that substitutions have been brought in and that more games are played today? No, the game has changed, and Beckham is worthy of his caps.
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Post by Davef on Feb 11, 2009 23:04:09 GMT
24 of Bobby Moore's caps were in Home International matches.
Anyway, on the evidence of tonight Beckham remains the only English player who can competently pass a ball to one of his team mates.
As long as there's dross like Stewart Downing (the Peter Sweeney of the Premier League) winning England caps, then there should always be a place for Beckham.
And on the subject of Downing, if he's considered good enough by Capello, then Matty Etherington can't be far away from winning a cap.
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Post by Squeekster on Feb 11, 2009 23:06:57 GMT
Never in the history of he game has a player been so over rated He isn't fit to lace Bobby Moore's boots. What an absolute load of wank ! Beckham has been and still is one of England best performers from since when and has single handed held the England team together. As players have already stated(our own D Smith) have admitted that they would struggle with the modern game. I hope David goes on and beats Shiltons record he is an absolute legend. And fat Frank must pinch himself when he gets picked.
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Post by paulomacko on Feb 11, 2009 23:10:44 GMT
For a one trick pony he's done very well. Come off it!! Massive ability, he doesn't beat his man but doesn't need to . . . . Shaun Wright-Phillips can beat his man but it's the end product that counts. The bloke is class, and would play on broken glass for England. Shame we don't have more like him!!
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 11, 2009 23:10:58 GMT
Never in the history of he game has a player been so over rated He isn't fit to lace Bobby Moore's boots. Overrated by Manchester Utd, Real Madrid and AC Milan, three of the biggest teams in the world. The team is picked on form by Cappello. That's why Beckham is in it. The game has changed since Moore's day, is it his fault that substitutions have been brought in and that more games are played today? No, the game has changed, and Beckham is worthy of his caps. No, overrated as part of a team that was supposedly the "golden generation" and ended up winning nowt. Bechams appearances are also full of meaningless friedlies, moreso than Booby Moore's day. If you're suggesting that Beckham is a better player in a game that is better then I have to disagree. In saying this, Beckham has a good right foot and a good engine, that's about it. When it mattered most (WC 1998) he and his fellow teamates failed to step up to the plate. World class...nah, don't think so.
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Post by paulomacko on Feb 11, 2009 23:14:42 GMT
Overrated by Manchester Utd, Real Madrid and AC Milan, three of the biggest teams in the world. The team is picked on form by Cappello. That's why Beckham is in it. The game has changed since Moore's day, is it his fault that substitutions have been brought in and that more games are played today? No, the game has changed, and Beckham is worthy of his caps. No, overrated as part of a team that was supposedly the "golden generation" and ended up winning nowt. Bechams appearances are also full of meaningless friedlies, moreso than Booby Moore's day. If you're suggesting that Beckham is a better player in a game that is better then I have to disagree. In saying this, Beckham has a good right foot and a good engine, that's about it. When it mattered most (WC 1998) he and his fellow teamates failed to step up to the plate. World class...nah, don't think so. So WC 98 was a let down - out of interest, what players in the modern game ARE world class??
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2009 23:16:00 GMT
Overrated by Manchester Utd, Real Madrid and AC Milan, three of the biggest teams in the world. The team is picked on form by Cappello. That's why Beckham is in it. The game has changed since Moore's day, is it his fault that substitutions have been brought in and that more games are played today? No, the game has changed, and Beckham is worthy of his caps. No, overrated as part of a team that was supposedly the "golden generation" and ended up winning nowt. Bechams appearances are also full of meaningless friedlies, moreso than Booby Moore's day. If you're suggesting that Beckham is a better player in a game that is better then I have to disagree. In saying this, Beckham has a good right foot and a good engine, that's about it. When it mattered most (WC 1998) he and his fellow teamates failed to step up to the plate. World class...nah, don't think so. I never bought into the "golden generation" bollocks, People seem to think England have a divine right to be winning tournaments when the truth is they're just not good enough. I don't think you can compare Beckham and Moore as players because they play in different positions, but Beckham shouldn't have his achievements tainted because there are more meaningless friendlies and sub appearances these days - it's just the way the game's gone. Not his fault. It's like when Ian Wright broke the Arsenal goalscoring record - Cliff Bastin scored those goals without all the European and League Cup games that existed in Wright's day, but it doesn't make Wright's achievement any less impressive.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 11, 2009 23:17:15 GMT
Never in the history of he game has a player been so over rated He isn't fit to lace Bobby Moore's boots. What an absolute load of wank ! Beckham has been and still is one of England best performers from since when and has single handed held the England team together. As players have already stated(our own D Smith) have admitted that they would struggle with the modern game. I hope David goes on and beats Shiltons record he is an absolute legend. And fat Frank must pinch himself when he gets picked. Err..I'm entitled to my opinion thank you and your rose tinted vision of DB and the your assertion that he is the best among the others only underlines my assertion that this England side have the tag of the greatest...underachievers that is.
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