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Post by pushon on Jan 11, 2009 12:32:12 GMT
62 prem appearances- 12 goals- and '0' this season. Dunno about a box-striker. Poor to average striker stats to me.
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Post by fradleyhomes on Jan 11, 2009 12:32:21 GMT
Whats so easy to forget - those of you criticising Kitson on the thread is tha : hes just back from long term injury and, he was playing agaisnt some of the very top defences in Europe, if not the world. He is just not, nor never will be a Cresswell - 'run round like a headliess chicken' type player - hes a striker in a lean spell, thats easy to see. yet - go on ! keep giving him stick chaps ! - those of you thick enough to fail to recognise such broader aspects As for me -I thought he led the line very well for the most part last night -and, was a credit to our club- and very unlucky not to score. Spot on!
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Jan 11, 2009 13:09:07 GMT
I totally agree...He was distinctly average at best, a man short of confidence and ideas.I thought his performance stood out as the worst by a country mile.I asked my assembled guests as to their thoughts..(Non Stokies) and they were less than enthused. One commented on his lack of work and the other on his lack of goals and touch. All in all the verdict was quite damning. In short, the sooner he leaves the better.The writing is on the wall. For once I agree with mumf comments. We have spent £5 million and still no goals. I think my old man has more pace. Does not suit Stoke's style of play. I hate to see him not run his socks off Time to get rid. We paid £5 million for a player who us reknown for his close finishing and inter play with wingers. He has always played up front in and around the box. I think He has been filling a role which does not suit his playing style. I think Etherington will defo add something to his play and after a couple of games... his match sharpness will come back.
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Post by Trubritt on Jan 11, 2009 13:18:44 GMT
please prove me wrong Dave Kitson but i just dont think you are premiership class,if fuller had played yesterday i think he would definitely have put one of those chances away,cant fault his effort though
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Post by paulomacko on Jan 11, 2009 13:26:18 GMT
Kitson put in a good performace yesterday, fair enough, he should have scored but the movement he displayed when he put his header over the bar is something that is going to get him goals. Especially with Etherington in the side. He will be a big player for this club, he just needs the creative players to work with, quite like Santa Cruz at Blackburn, they lost Bentley and he's struggling for goals himself.
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Post by owdestokie on Jan 11, 2009 13:29:59 GMT
How many games has he been out with injury???? I am surprised he lasted as long as he did. Lets cut him some slack, perhaps we may see a different player if (when fit) he lines up with Beattie!!
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Post by stonestokie! on Jan 11, 2009 13:31:37 GMT
I think that was his best game for us so far, very unlucky not to score, especially with that header late on. thought that was in, i wish he'd been like that since bolton
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Post by Maccca100 on Jan 11, 2009 13:37:15 GMT
I thought he was kak
He is a £5 million pound striker not some yts trainee.. First half he didnt want to know... Sewconfd half im sorry but that chance was an absoulete sitter... and the headwas was yes unlucky.
How we can come on here and PRAISE a 5 million pound striker for nearly getting a shot on target just bamboozles me..
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Post by stokemark on Jan 11, 2009 13:38:21 GMT
Kitson had a 'better' game yesterday and considering his lack of match fitness did well
The biggest problem with him is how to play him. He is neither a traditional 'lead the line, win balls in the air' forward nor a nippy, skillfull, pacey type.
He simply doesnt fit in with our type of game and I think if we could get a decent price I would sell him when replacements have been secured.
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Post by pushon on Jan 11, 2009 13:45:28 GMT
Fair dues, he came back from injury yesterday but I hear he'd been full time training for a while, but didn't feel ready to play. What is surelyrelevant though, is what did he do before he got injured? He just doesn't look committed to me.
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Post by Cityfullergoals on Jan 11, 2009 13:45:34 GMT
What Kitson did do well yesterday, was losing his marker on numerous occasions, but the ball was NEVER played to him at the right time
I think that is what really pisses him off. I watched him very closely yesterday, as my opinion on him is split at the moment, and he did a lot of things good strikers do, but the service to him is appalling
Marlon King had a superb game at the Brit with his runs and space finding, but no one seems to recognise these things, cos generally strikers are only judged on their goals
Personally, I dont think he will see it as the best move of his career, but as long as he gives his all in the red and white stripes, then we have to get behind him for as long as hes at the club
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2009 14:45:23 GMT
I thought he played well yesterday.
First of all, Pushon, you're barking mad if you think football today is exactly the same as it was 30-40 years ago.
Second, where I was sitting yesterday, there were plenty of idiots dying to get stuck into Kitson before he'd even had a touch, people who simply no absolutely fuck all. They think he doesn't work hard just because he doesn't run round like a headless chicken. If he'd dropped and chased every ball yesterday, we'd have had nobody up front at all.
He showed an intelligence in making runs and finding space that we've been missing, and I think he'll end up being a very important player for us.
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Post by lust4life on Jan 11, 2009 16:14:07 GMT
I thought he played well yesterday. First of all, Pushon, you're barking mad if you think football today is exactly the same as it was 30-40 years ago. Second, where I was sitting yesterday, there were plenty of idiots dying to get stuck into Kitson before he'd even had a touch, people who simply no absolutely fuck all. They think he doesn't work hard just because he doesn't run round like a headless chicken. If he'd dropped and chased every ball yesterday, we'd have had nobody up front at all. He showed an intelligence in making runs and finding space that we've been missing, and I think he'll end up being a very important player for us. Agree with all of this m8. I sit in the family stand and the amount of fans slating him even b4 kick off was disgusting. He just needs some decent service which he may get now from Matty and Liam and the goals will flow. Watch him go in the next few weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2009 16:15:46 GMT
he did ok yesterday but I wouldn't get too carried away
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Post by XLITTLEMISSSTOKEX on Jan 11, 2009 16:17:23 GMT
i think kitson had a good game yesterday nice to see him back on the pitch
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Post by pushon on Jan 11, 2009 16:48:59 GMT
Robsvansncars or whatever you're called. How many changes to the laws of the game, have there been in the last 30-40 years? Probably offside law and passback law. I think you'll find it's a very similar game.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2009 16:59:21 GMT
Robsvansncars or whatever you're called. How many changes to the laws of the game, have there been in the last 30-40 years? Probably offside law and passback law. I think you'll find it's a very similar game. Vansncars...good one I wasn't referring to the laws of the game, the nature of the game has changed. It's faster, fitness and strength has become more important, diet has become more important, players are required increasingly to be athletes.
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Post by kingdeano on Jan 11, 2009 17:00:39 GMT
i thought he did ok, nothing special but he showed some nice touches and made some great runs, he peeled off superb in the first half but never got the ball his run deserved. considering it was his 1st game back from injury against one of the best teams in europe he can be pleased with himself. if only he didnt miss a glorious opportunity, we cant afford to squander chances like that in any match
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 11, 2009 18:09:47 GMT
Robsvansncars or whatever you're called. How many changes to the laws of the game, have there been in the last 30-40 years? Probably offside law and passback law. I think you'll find it's a very similar game. Vansncars...good one I wasn't referring to the laws of the game, the nature of the game has changed. It's faster, fitness and strength has become more important, diet has become more important, players are required increasingly to be athletes. Pushon keeping digging your hole. You're either on a wind up, or you're still watching black and white TV chap. The modern game is VASTLY different to the one played in the 60's and 70's. As well as the points that Rob has made, football has changed immeasurabley (well accept at Stoke maybe ) in terms of tactics. Defences are far better organised, forwards do not get anything like the space they would have hoped for a few decades ago. I bet it's a long time since you heard ANY manager talk about starting the game with a 4-2-4 formation, isn't it?
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Post by nathan on Jan 11, 2009 18:12:28 GMT
He was "okay" for mine. Nothing to wax lyrical about, mind.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 11, 2009 18:15:43 GMT
Intelligent player and showed some of his ability , did really well to win the free kick that Whelan went so close with alsocould have scored and probably should have made the header count, my worry is at times he simply does not work hard enough and at a club like ours he has to, I hope he gets a goal soon because he used to be far more agressive at his previous clubs and we need to see some of that from him
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Post by Winge on Jan 11, 2009 18:22:51 GMT
All said 5million pound player and still no goals. I hope he goes to Sheffield in the Beatie deal - we only have 38 premier league games and we only have 18 left, how long do we wait??
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Jan 11, 2009 18:42:04 GMT
when that 1st goal goes in...it will be magical!
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Post by pushon on Jan 11, 2009 18:45:44 GMT
Rob, I'd like to echo what a previous poster has already said "Please Kitson prove me wrong", we're half way through the season and he's hardly looked like scoring, perhaps it's just his undemonstrative way of expressing himself, but he hardly seems committed to the cause. He's meant to be an experienced prem "striker/goalscorer", call it what you will, but he doesn't do it does he? How can he be congratulated for that? I don't and won't shout abuse at him, never will, and cheered him off the pitch yesterday, but surely he's on borrowed time? Someone else mentioned him "not running around like a headless chicken", but he only has one pace. When did he last burst into the box and hit the target? To be fair I think he did put a shift in yesterday, considering his recent enforced exclusion from the squad. But if you look at our goal difference, it's the third worst in the prem and that, in a great part, is due to his lack of effectiveness. If you're satisfied with that "so be it", but I'm afraid I'm not, I'd love him to make me eat my words, but I won't hold my breath. As for your point about the superior fitness levels of modern day players over those of 30 years ago, I entirely concur, but Kitson is a modern-day player, so surely he should be demonstrating all the attributes of superior fitness and athletisism which you refer to. The condition of the pitches is vastly superior too. However you didn't mention levels of skill, I don't think there has been any significant improvement there, in fact, except for certain foreign players, I would suggest there has been a deterioration in standards. For example, given that he achieved the fitness levels that the modern day game demands, Alan Hudson would "walk on water" for Stokies, just as he did all those years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2009 18:50:00 GMT
I think levels of skill amongst English footballers has never been great with a few exceptions, because youngsters aren't taught technique, and "flair" players have tended to be ignored by England managers as a luxury - hence Hudson only winning two caps, Hoddle not winning as many as he should have done, Waddle being ignored when in the form of his life, Le Tiss not getting as many caps as he should.
As far as Kitson goes, he's struggled to adapt to our style of play. I agree he's partly to blame for this, but at Reading he thrived on the service of out and out wingers. Hopefully the arrival of Etherington and the return of Lawrence can improve the service to him.
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Post by stokiehad on Jan 11, 2009 18:54:28 GMT
i disagree, i know daves been injured and hasnt quite got off to the best start at stoke. but he doesnt seem like hes commited enough to me. i should imagine hes 1 of the top paid players down stoke and i dont think hes good enough. People are saying give him time.. but there isnt much time left! i hope he can prove me wrong and bang a few goals in 4 us and keep us in the prem! id prefer fuller and sidibe any day.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2009 19:01:48 GMT
were now all proud of shitKitson but now Fuller is a complete bastard who needs to go
some people need to get a perspective
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Post by pushon on Jan 11, 2009 19:03:41 GMT
Rob, I really hope you're right about Kitson, I must admit I was "well chuffed" when we signed him, but if he doesn't fit into our style of play, it has to be his problem. It's the team and immediate performance/results that are critical now, not the habilitation of a lame duck.
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Post by pushon on Jan 12, 2009 0:46:42 GMT
Cheers Paul, I'm pleased that you recognise a superior intellect, so just keep on watching the Sunday morning stuff, it's not really football, but it probably satisfies your idea of "the beautiful game", who knows? you could be salivating over D.K next season, it's abourt his level ;D
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Post by rhodesy on Jan 12, 2009 1:03:01 GMT
wasn't impressed with him in the first half.. half hearted chases, no tackles and throwing his arms about in frustration. don't think he will last long. I totally agree...He was distinctly average at best, a man short of confidence and ideas.I thought his performance stood out as the worst by a country mile.I asked my assembled guests as to their thoughts..(Non Stokies) and they were less than enthused. One commented on his lack of work and the other on his lack of goals and touch. All in all the verdict was quite damning. In short, the sooner he leaves the better.The writing is on the wall. Also agreed. Damage limitation is needed now.
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