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Post by AlanHansen on Jan 11, 2009 0:06:31 GMT
I am sure some people were watching a different game to me. He was better than normal granted (but that is not anything to bragg about). He looked slow and again failed to score, he should have buried the one when their keeper gifted him the ball. Personally ill be glad to see the back of him.
Well done the team though.
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Post by arma on Jan 11, 2009 0:28:48 GMT
Being fair, if he'd been match fit he would have buried the one on one.
Need to remember he's been injured for a while. Give him chance to get match fit then assess.
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Post by AlanHansen on Jan 11, 2009 0:32:54 GMT
I wish I could believe you, he's not buried any before today, not even got close to. Iv'e thrown my towel in with him.
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Post by mumf14 on Jan 11, 2009 0:34:01 GMT
I wish I could believe you, he's not buried any before today, not even got close to. Iv'e thrown my towel in with him. So have I....0 GOALS. |
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Jan 11, 2009 0:36:52 GMT
I think a fit Etherington and a fit Kitson could well work - but - The Mail reports that Kitson could be part of the Beattie deal with Sheff U.???
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Post by AlanHansen on Jan 11, 2009 0:40:27 GMT
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Post by ChesterStokie on Jan 11, 2009 0:44:02 GMT
Considering he was clearly not match fit, I thought his performance today was excellent. Really benefited from having Etherington in the team and the resulting glimmer of the much needed plan B. Once we can get Liam and Etherington fully up and running my preferred partnership up front would be Fuller and Kitson. That's right no Mama.  Mama on the bench if we need to revert to Plan A / hoofball out of desperation in the last 15 minutes. |
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Post by AlanHansen on Jan 11, 2009 0:46:50 GMT
Mama would walk back into our side at present, no doubt about it. Of the two strikers today Cresswell showed more, and you know that isn't good. I'm not knocking Cresswell, he does his best he's just out of his depth, he will try all day for you.
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Post by pushon on Jan 11, 2009 1:21:15 GMT
You know, back in the days of Waddos teams John Ritchie was always considered as the foil for "the footballer" Jimmy Greenhoff, John was a similar size and build to Kitson, but the similarity stops there, he was twice the player.
Always showed for the ball and went in for it even if he didn't have much chance of winning it and surprise surprise, it lead to him scoring lots of goals.
I'd love to see Kitson show a similar attitude and desire, but he just doesn't seem to have it in him.
He really needs to sharpen up his game and make things happen rather than wait to be spoonfed. at the moment he's a passenger.
I was pretty elated when we signed him but he has been a major disappointment,he doesn't fit in.
I really hope I'm wrong in my view, as we can hardly afford to waste the transfer fee and the reduced return we'd get for a none-scoring "striker".
But if he doesn't start to "produce the goods"soon, we'll need to cut our losses before the unthinkable happens.
I'm not trying to dampen todays performance, I thought we were worth 3 points, but we've moved 1 point out of the relegation zone, so it's still time for "feet firmly on the ground"
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Post by mumf14 on Jan 11, 2009 1:25:21 GMT
You know, back in the days of Waddos teams John Ritchie was always considered as the foil for "the footballer" Jimmy Greenhoff, John was a similar size and build to Kitson, but the similarity stops there, he was twice the player. Always showed for the ball and went in for it even if he didn't have much chance of winning it and surprise surprise, it lead to him scoring lots of goals. I'd love to see Kitson show a similar attitude and desire, but he just doesn't seem to have it in him. He really needs to sharpen up his game and make things happen rather than wait to be spoonfed. at the moment he's a passenger. I was pretty elated when we signed him but he has been a major disappointment,he doesn't fit in. I really hope I'm wrong in my view, as we can hardly afford to waste the transfer fee and the reduced return we'd get for a none-scoring "striker". But if he doesn't start to "produce the goods"soon, we'll need to cut our losses before the unthinkable happens. I'm not trying to dampen todays performance, I thought we were worth 3 points, but we've moved 1 point out of the relegation zone, so it's still time for "feet firmly on the ground" Dead right...a good analogy too. Greenhoff is a better "footballer" than any of the present side too...! |
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Post by swampySCFC on Jan 11, 2009 1:52:07 GMT
You know, back in the days of Waddos teams John Ritchie was always considered as the foil for "the footballer" Jimmy Greenhoff, John was a similar size and build to Kitson, but the similarity stops there, he was twice the player. Always showed for the ball and went in for it even if he didn't have much chance of winning it and surprise surprise, it lead to him scoring lots of goals. I'd love to see Kitson show a similar attitude and desire, but he just doesn't seem to have it in him. He really needs to sharpen up his game and make things happen rather than wait to be spoonfed. at the moment he's a passenger. I was pretty elated when we signed him but he has been a major disappointment,he doesn't fit in. I really hope I'm wrong in my view, as we can hardly afford to waste the transfer fee and the reduced return we'd get for a none-scoring "striker". But if he doesn't start to "produce the goods"soon, we'll need to cut our losses before the unthinkable happens. I'm not trying to dampen todays performance, I thought we were worth 3 points, but we've moved 1 point out of the relegation zone, so it's still time for "feet firmly on the ground" Dead right...a good analogy too. Greenhoff is a better "footballer" than any of the present side too...! What a load of old bollocks to compare the 1960's/70s game with this. Kitson has scored goals in the Prem without too much fuss until he came to us. He has been out for 7 weeks and played well today. The chance he had where he rounded the keeper was a foot out thats all. |
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Post by pushon on Jan 11, 2009 1:55:10 GMT
It's the same game, just different players
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Post by swampySCFC on Jan 11, 2009 2:00:28 GMT
Not the same game. Sir Stan used to have a fag at HT!!!
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Post by pushon on Jan 11, 2009 2:07:06 GMT
Well, what's it called now then?
I also think you'll find Sir Stan never smoked, but why let the truth get in the way of a sarcastic comment.
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Post by arma on Jan 11, 2009 2:45:04 GMT
I'm still firmly behind Kitson, and I think with Eth + Liam he will prove his value.
Still a long way to go in this season and I think he has his part to play.
If we do sell Kitson along the line, I will continue to back him wherever - he's quality, intelligent footballer, and a decent, humble guy who remembers where he came from...rare in today's game.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Jan 11, 2009 9:33:03 GMT
To those that slag off Kitson or want him gone - get real will you, because the one thing the team needs is a bit of quality?
The guys got class and had a rough start but he's 100% worth sticking with. With a bit of quality going into the side he will flourish - given a bloody chance.
I thought Stokies were about fair play - with some we're seeing precious little.
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Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Jan 11, 2009 9:55:46 GMT
I think a fit Etherington and a fit Kitson could well work - but - The Mail reports that Kitson could be part of the Beattie deal with Sheff U.??? The Mail - bound to be complete bollocks then. Wasn't able to go yesterday (  ) so my comments are based on Radio Stoke and the paltry and biased coverage on MOTD, but I'm very firmly in the pro-Kitson camp. Regarding the chance that went into the side-netting, give Reina some credit for recovering well enough after his gaffe to force Kitson wide so his angle was narrowed. |
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Post by raytupper on Jan 11, 2009 10:40:38 GMT
Fraid he's just not a Stoke player, not enough "commitment" to the cause. He looks distinctly disinterested at times and seems to run away from the ball-carrier, when his support is needed. thats called creating space. people want to talk about half hearted performances, what has delap done in the last few weeks. yes he's carrying an injury but as per usual seems to get pushed under the carpet. Kitson played well, it's hard work playing up top on your own chasing fuck all, i'd get frustrated by that but he kept going and you cant fault him for that. work 3 times harder than fuller imo. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2009 10:42:16 GMT
Granted he's not set the world alight (so far) at Stoke, but I'm just not sure I understand the negativity aimed towards him. He's hardly been here for half a season, playing little over a dozen games (only 10 starts), and yet many are wanting him to head towards the door. There can be a number of reasons why a player is in a slump; unfortunately it's part and parcel of any players' career. It wasn't so long ago that many on here were crying over the teamsheet whenever they saw Rory's name on it, and many (including mumf) saying this time last year that Mama should go - yet the same people extol their virtues every week on this same MB. Fickleness of football fans eh?! A bit of patience can go a long way and is usually well rewarded.
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Post by pushon on Jan 11, 2009 10:49:01 GMT
I support all those remarks about giving him support and encouragement, but the fact is ( I assume) that he was brought in to score goals. Something that he has patently failed to do and seldom looked like doing.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 11, 2009 10:54:06 GMT
2 factors to consider
1. it was his first game back from a fairly bad injury
2. against the best defence in the premiership (possibly europe) at the moment
those considered it was an impressive and encouraging performance for me.
i am convinced he will be an asset for this club, and it was great that most fans got behind him.
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Post by stokey97 on Jan 11, 2009 11:00:22 GMT
yeh but should of scored
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Post by pushon on Jan 11, 2009 11:06:00 GMT
If you think his performances, to date, have been admirable. thyen you are very easily pleased.
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Post by mumf14 on Jan 11, 2009 11:08:07 GMT
"Chronic and lacking in passion and goals" would be a better phrase.
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Post by stoke-on-tyne on Jan 11, 2009 11:47:03 GMT
Yesterday he looked much more like his former self while at Reading - inventive, hard working and all over the pitch. Agree with all the positive comments above.
I was heartened not just by his response when getting subbed but by the chorus of "there's only one dave kitson" from the fans. We just need to stay 100% behind him as long as he's a stoke player - posititivity and encouragement breeds confidence, and with that the goals will follow.
In terms of the opportunities he had/created today I thought he definitely had his best game and was unlucky not to get something.
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Jan 11, 2009 12:08:24 GMT
Thought he did alright, that's about it.
Some people around me (he is enemy no.1 in the south stand) were constantly berating him for not chasing lost causes which is clearly not what he does well anyway, and definately isn't something you should do when you are half fit and playing against the original 'knock it around the back four' side
What i noticed most is that he seemed reluctant to get in the box during open play, the hallmark of a striker with absolutely zero confidence - i used to notice mama doing this quite a lot last season. Also did that poor cross to noone in the second half.
Won some of the hoofs though, although he does seem intent on chesting down everything.
Like most, i tihnk he just needs a goal or two for confidence, and then he can start playing how he would naturally. Looks a bit lost at the moment. Not sure if we have chance to give him time on the pitch to settle though, not with the number of points we need.
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Post by fradleyhomes on Jan 11, 2009 12:12:04 GMT
Kits is coming good, he has always had the quality. Yesterday he actually played up front and he looked dangerous.
Also i reckon he really appreciates the support he is getting from us fans, Keep going Dave it will come
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Post by Soi Cowboy on Jan 11, 2009 12:13:14 GMT
'Today he did the things for me that Fuller doesn't'
Can't argue with that- that's why Fuller has scored goals this season. Well unimpressed again- looks totally lacking in all areas at the moment and I think folk are still convincing themselves he'll come good. Should have scored and can't see him keeping his place on that performance. Shame
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Jan 11, 2009 12:25:22 GMT
The thing is, he's more of a in the box striker, who thrives on winers playing balls in and around the box to him, and strikers been in and around the box with him....
We ahven't had that so far this season, if its him and mama up front, mama plays 20 yards behind him (like cressers yesterday) and if its him and ricky.then Kits plays 20 yards behind Rick, and we haven't had any decent balls been playd in and aound the box becsue delpa, cresswell et al arent wingers...
With a fit Lawrence and ethrington in the team Kits WILL score goals
Brilliant performance from him yesterday ran his bollocks offf
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2009 12:27:04 GMT
Whats so easy to forget - those of you criticising Kitson on the thread is tha : hes just back from long term injury and, he was playing agaisnt some of the very top defences in Europe, if not the world.
He is just not, nor never will be a Cresswell - 'run round like a headliess chicken' type player - hes a striker in a lean spell, thats easy to see.
yet - go on ! keep giving him stick chaps ! - those of you thick enough to fail to recognise such broader aspects
As for me -I thought he led the line very well for the most part last night -and, was a credit to our club- and very unlucky not to score.
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) so my comments are based on Radio Stoke and the paltry and biased coverage on MOTD, but I'm very firmly in the pro-Kitson camp.
