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Post by pottermusfoot on Jan 8, 2009 13:35:18 GMT
Pulis is a disgrace and has to go. Talk about not having an eye for talent.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 8, 2009 13:36:13 GMT
Shawcross, he got him from Man U - It works both ways!
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 8, 2009 13:37:50 GMT
Pulis is a disgrace and has to go. Talk about not having an eye for talent. I don't know if you've noticed, but Pulis team selection has put us in the Premiership. We are 3 points off the top half of the table with half a season left. We have beaten two of the teams in the top five, drawn with the leaders away from home, and despite the whole world tipping us to be the new Derby, we have only once suffered a real pasting. We may not play the prettiest football and yes, if I am being honest, we have a lot of players who are at best championship standar, but does that not in fact show just how good a job Pulis is actually doing? We have spent the last 23 years suffering one misery after another, but when someone comes along and gives us what we have been craving, you want to criticise him mercilessly and kick him out after what has been, in my opinion, a very successful first half of the season? And now you want him sacked because he has sold a player that has never been near to getting in our first team?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2009 13:38:51 GMT
Pulis is a disgrace and has to go. Talk about not having an eye for talent. Again - Just because he has signed for Manchester United does not automatically make him a footballing God. How did he do in his loan spells elsewhere earlier this season?
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 8, 2009 13:39:21 GMT
Shawcross, he got him from Man U - It works both ways! £2million pounds we paid for Shawcross, a young lad coached into a decent player by someone else. Works both ways my arse.
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Post by albanianstokie on Jan 8, 2009 13:43:27 GMT
Surely for Christ's sake PAtto is better than Pericard??!!??!?!?!?!?!?!? On that basis alone he should still be at the club.
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Post by mamaslength on Jan 8, 2009 13:43:45 GMT
Shawcross, he got him from Man U - It works both ways! £2million pounds we paid for Shawcross, a young lad coached into a decent player by someone else. Works both ways my arse. true. we just havnt got the resources to bring our own kids through. and when we do they are generally not good enough for the first team. ps. saw shawcross stumbling out of fluid at half 2 last night ???
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 8, 2009 13:45:16 GMT
£2million pounds we paid for Shawcross, a young lad coached into a decent player by someone else. Works both ways my arse. He's worth double that now easily! He was impressive right from the get go last season so he must have come to us with some pedigree.
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Post by mamaslength on Jan 8, 2009 13:45:47 GMT
Surely for Christ's sake PAtto is better than Pericard??!!??!?!?!?!?!?!? On that basis alone he should still be at the club. he was good against spurs for burnley. his movements quality. shame we couldnt hold onto the lad and give him another chance. pericant will be our undoing this season. the sooner rick comes back the better! what a player haha
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 8, 2009 13:46:15 GMT
Pulis is a disgrace and has to go. Talk about not having an eye for talent. Lets look at some of the gems picked up by Ferguson's "eye for talent" Kleberson Miller Djemba Djemba Taibi Poborsky Bellion Cruyff Forlan
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Post by mcf on Jan 8, 2009 13:46:28 GMT
Pugs
It isn't a case of defending Pulis at all on this as I don't really give a fuck on how our team is made up as long as they are good players.
I can't think of one really good youngster that we have produced that you would definitely want in our team. I don't blame him for not playing many of them.
I'm not particularly happy that he plays Dicko at all tbh, I'm still unconvinced on Wilko although he is probably the best we have produced.
Without doubt, we need to look at how we get better youngsters into the club.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 8, 2009 13:48:11 GMT
There are alot of misconceptions about Patto's departure on this board
he didn't leave simply because he wanted first team football i am led to believe, he left because he was offered a very poor contract i.e. a 8 month contract at a very low wage. Scunthorpe offered him considerably higher wages and 3 years. The contract offer to him was obviously a way of saying he was not wanted at this club, that is why he left. he really didn't have much option. it was no-brainer, and it proved to be a good move for him. Obviously he wanted to play but it does not tell all the story.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 8, 2009 13:52:05 GMT
£2million pounds we paid for Shawcross, a young lad coached into a decent player by someone else. Works both ways my arse. true. we just havnt got the resources to bring our own kids through. and when we do they are generally not good enough for the first team. ps. saw shawcross stumbling out of fluid at half 2 last night ??? But we have the resource to blow £15million on benchwarmers. "He was impressive right from the get go last season so he must have come to us with some pedigree" - of course, he was coached by someone else at another club. Now we have statesidestokie saying Fergie can't spot talent. I wonder how he won all those trophies with Aberdeen and Manchester United.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 8, 2009 13:56:25 GMT
I never said Ferguson can't spot talent, I am just pointing out that despite his undoubted genius, he has made the occaisional misjudgment.
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Post by mamaslength on Jan 8, 2009 13:56:33 GMT
true. we just havnt got the resources to bring our own kids through. and when we do they are generally not good enough for the first team. ps. saw shawcross stumbling out of fluid at half 2 last night ??? But we have the resource to blow £15million on benchwarmers. "He was impressive right from the get go last season so he must have come to us with some pedigree" - of course, he was coached by someone else at another club. Now we have statesidestokie saying Fergie can't spot talent. I wonder how he won all those trophies with Aberdeen and Manchester United. i agree pugs, its farcical really
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Jan 8, 2009 14:04:49 GMT
Believe me, I would never praise Pulis. The point of taking part in discussion on a message board with an attitude like this is beyond me. I've never seen him play but clearly you have on numerous occasions - if DeLaet has "OBVIOUS" talent, would you mind telling me what his personal strengths are and what sort of role he would be particularly suited to? Serious question.
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Post by whelan_6 on Jan 8, 2009 14:13:55 GMT
If commons was that good he wouldnt have played in the same league as vale and crewe the last 2 years,patterson isnt a patch on mamma,fuller or kitson and henry was wank at stoke under all the managers he played under imo.
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Post by sweetandinnocent on Jan 8, 2009 14:16:48 GMT
Pulis is a disgrace and has to go. Talk about not having an eye for talent. i agree..and here was me thinking we've just signed a quality Winger and have been strongly linked with other quality additions
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2009 14:24:24 GMT
There are alot of misconceptions about Patto's departure on this board he didn't leave simply because he wanted first team football i am led to believe, he left because he was offered a very poor contract i.e. a 8 month contract at a very low wage. Scunthorpe offered him considerably higher wages and 3 years. The contract offer to him was obviously a way of saying he was not wanted at this club, that is why he left. he really didn't have much option. it was no-brainer, and it proved to be a good move for him. Obviously he wanted to play but it does not tell all the story. If he'd been offered a good contract, but limited first team opportunities, do you think he'd have stayed?
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Post by bgpotter on Jan 8, 2009 14:26:14 GMT
StatesideStokie - not necessarilly dodgy signings but just didnt work out at ManU - and the following - Poborsky Bellion Cruyff and Forlan have done well on the continent having moved away from the tender care of Fergie. But i cant think that any of the present "young'uns" at ManU would star or start in the present Pulis regime! He just doesnt seem to have a real eye for young talent or the nerve to play them regularly.
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Post by mamaslength on Jan 8, 2009 14:28:01 GMT
Pulis is a disgrace and has to go. Talk about not having an eye for talent. i agree..and here was me thinking we've just signed a quality Winger and have been strongly linked with other quality additions etherington a quality winger? not quite. solid, maybe
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2009 14:33:16 GMT
StatesideStokie - not necessarilly dodgy signings but just didnt work out at ManU - and the following - Poborsky Bellion Cruyff and Forlan have done well on the continent having moved away from the tender care of Fergie. But i cant think that any of the present "young'uns" at ManU would star or start in the present Pulis regime! He just doesnt seem to have a real eye for young talent or the nerve to play them regularly. Djemba Djemba didn't work out at Villa either and they farmed him out to Burnley.
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Post by starkiller on Jan 8, 2009 14:38:34 GMT
Believe me, I would never praise Pulis.[/quote] Made me laugh anyway ;D
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Post by mikeyb99 on Jan 8, 2009 14:51:25 GMT
I don't think the DeLaet story can be placed alongside the departures of, for example, Pato or Vass or Henry. There is clearly a lot that was arranged behind the scenes with Manure regarding DeLaet, from the outset of his transfer to us from Antwerp.
Its quite clear however, that Pulis absolutely will not coach or bring through youth players at Stoke City. I find it astonishing that just as football is swinging albeit slowly further towards homegrown youth talent, we are consistently selling ourselves short in this regard. But I suppose if Coates is happy to throw millions at a completely superfluous youth academy/training facility, thats his decision!
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Post by greyman on Jan 8, 2009 15:33:44 GMT
grey man I stand by comments that Henry was no where good enough for us and Pulis seems to have got us to Prem without him, quicker than McCarthy for Wolves. Thanks for making it glaringly obvious that you are wrong. I think that is the whole point about young players. Potential. How many years did it take for Pulis to get us up compared to what MCCarthy has done at Wolves? You're allowed to deduct one season for the year Pulis spent sticking two fingers up at the fans while he had his fight with the board.
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Post by mcf on Jan 8, 2009 15:42:24 GMT
I'll deduct the first 3 years of Pulis as well when he wasn't given promotion material money.
I can't fault what McCarthy has done this year but its only now that he has started to spend a few quid (as well as bringing some excellent bargains in) are Wolves truly promotion candidates.
Wolves aren't there yet though.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Jan 8, 2009 15:55:49 GMT
Usual negative suspects - any excuse to blindly attack Pulis
Some must be brain dead not to see through this crap
Commons was wanted by Stoke and Pulis - why would he not want his best young talent. he was stopped from playing him for a while by the club as Commons rejected 3 offers
Sadly the three offers were below what was offered by Forest and were too late. This was totally down to the Icelanders short sighted budget
DeLaet - I have watched him a few times and and he looks nothing special but good luck to him
I suspect this is part of oiling the wheels for us to get hold of some of their more talented youngsters
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Post by RAF on Jan 8, 2009 15:59:49 GMT
That Paul, I'm sorry to say is quite frankly bollocks. It wasn't that the funds weren't available, it was Pulis refusing to pay what Commons thought he was worth because he wasn't that bothered about keeping him and the fact the lad wanted to got to Forest because they were his childhood team.
Talk about cheap shots at Pulis, what about all the cheap shots against the Icelanders, who lets face it saved us from going under for good when St Peter had taken us to the lowest ebb in our history and then raped the club with the golden shares.
Rose tinted off I reckon
Let us not forget TP was pushing for the academy to be shut down to release further funds for him to spend. Fortunately Phil Rawlins saved it.
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Post by mcf on Jan 8, 2009 16:10:35 GMT
RAF
It may have escaped you but we kind of reached the Prem without too much academy help.
That is not to say an academy can't play a big part in a football club but there is more than 1 way to skin a cat.
To be honest, I didn't realise how many PHWs are actually kiddie fiddlers.
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Post by RAF on Jan 8, 2009 16:23:56 GMT
Yes I forgot Wilko and Dicko didn't play at all in our promotion season. Wasn't it our academy player Ben Foster that funded our push for the prem?
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