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Post by albanianstokie on Jan 8, 2009 12:25:15 GMT
Personally, I think the evidence is there for all to see. Pulis cannot and more to the point will not, adopt a decent youth policy. The policy is depriving us of players who at the very least, have premier league potential. Yes it remains to be seen if some them fulfill that, but Foster already has proved his credentials, it is only a matter of time before others do.
This is one area where, love him or hate him, you have to agree that Pulis falls down.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2009 12:28:53 GMT
Erm ... Depending on who you want to believe (or have read*): sentinel (whydeliah) site = "3 year contract" Our site = "performance related pay deal" manure site = loan until end of 08/09 season (reserve team player only) Is it not possible that good old Tone has sent our up and coming superstar to manure, to get him the excellent standard of coaching everyone is so worried about, before having him back at our place to launch our march up the premier league next year? ah * - Do try and keep up!
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Post by boscfc on Jan 8, 2009 12:32:34 GMT
usual reactionary shite ......
yawn.
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Post by Stephen Frys' Ring on Jan 8, 2009 12:33:17 GMT
Foster has done well there too hasn't he? By all means reply to posts mate, but make sure what you know what you're on about before making sarcastic comments eh? You really think Foster has done well,i think it is you who should know what he's on about,lets see in two,three maybe even four seasons how many games the lad gets. If it's in double figures i'll eat me own cock ( if only ) And whoa,he gets a move to another prem club,it will be one down bottom scrapping relegation. He has been bought to play in reserves and see how he does,he won't complain,but i really can't see this fella pulling any trees up in mancland ???
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Post by AlanHansen on Jan 8, 2009 12:35:49 GMT
Ben Foster anyone?
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Post by Big John RIP on Jan 8, 2009 12:38:33 GMT
Radio Stoke have just said that we signed him so Man utd could keep an eye on him and in return they loaned us Shawcross.
Jesus some people just look for anything to blame Pulis for VERY SAD.
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Post by exiledstokie on Jan 8, 2009 12:44:10 GMT
people on here saying that he never stood a chance with Pulis as manager?!?! If the lad was that good, and will soon be playing right back for uniteds 1st team.............like many of you seem to think do you really think that Pulis would keep him out of our 1st team because of his age??? Come off it, if he was good enough for our 1st team then he'd be playing, fact is that at the moment (not seen enough of him to say for deffinate for the future) he is not good enough for this level of football, we couldn't afford to give him the games and hope he steps up to the standard required. Some people will find any excuse to have a go at Pulis FFS! He got us to the Prem after all those years out, he did it his way, he obviously knows what he's doing, give him a break!
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Post by swampySCFC on Jan 8, 2009 12:45:27 GMT
Boskamp ruined a lot of stuff at Stoke. Including a lot of chairs and the Microwave Boskamp saved Stoke loads of money. We didnt need to hire a roller for the pitch
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Post by mcf on Jan 8, 2009 12:45:38 GMT
grey man
I stand by comments that Henry was no where good enough for us and Pulis seems to have got us to Prem without him, quicker than McCarthy for Wolves.
Pulis wanted to build a side that would get us to the Prem...where we are...and I don't see that Patto, Commons (who went down a division) or Henry in the Prem yet. Neither did I see any Prem clubs coming in for these players when they were sold.
Scunthorpe to Burnley, Forest to Derby...God only knows why the destination wasn't the Prem clubs
Thanks for making it glaringly obvious that you are wrong.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 8, 2009 12:48:17 GMT
Commons, Patto and Henry are all in the league below aren't they? When they do it in the Prem then I might even give the slightest fuck what you PHWs think. Given your past claims that SuperTone would do nothing for us then then forgive me for ignoring your coments as lame point scoring against Pulis. Perhaps the point should be that if they were coached properly we wouldn't have to rely on spending £3million on shite like Sonko. Even a myopic rimmer like you mcf can see that Pulis prefers to rely on rubbish like Readings reserves rather than developing our own talent. Or is that to difficult to comprehend? As for points scoring - any opportunity mate, you know that ;D
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Post by mcf on Jan 8, 2009 12:49:37 GMT
I'm sure all the PHW experts know, but given that we got this player from a Man Ure feeder club/link up club then the notion that we were just looking after him sounds like the most reasonable explanation, rather than him just hating youngsters.
Ignore the fact that he plays Wilko and Dicko though, and that he was prepared to spend a stack of money on a youngster in the shape of Shawcross.
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Post by mcf on Jan 8, 2009 12:53:17 GMT
Pugs Which centre half should we have developed then? Or is Henry that great that he could have played there?
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Post by smapples on Jan 8, 2009 12:55:52 GMT
At this stage we need to think about 1st team players, staying up will bring in a lot more good fortune than holding on to De leat as a nest egg.
We dont become a top half prem team by pumping money into possible flops we need to build our team now to help for the future.
The decent youths in the staffordshire area would much prefer to join us if we were in a better league position, with a bit more money to spend on the academy. Oh yeah and that just coincides with what we all want, to stay up.
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Post by swampySCFC on Jan 8, 2009 12:59:09 GMT
Pugsley must have been consulted before this deal was done as he clearly knows everything that goes on in the club and is an obvious point of reference for officials of both manure and Stoke because of his superior knowlege of the game
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Post by northstokie on Jan 8, 2009 12:59:44 GMT
Foster has done well there too hasn't he? Yes he has - picked for England no less, after only playing a handful of games. Also behind one of the best keepers in the World in Van de Saar. Fergie says it will be a shootout between Foster and Kuszczak next season. If Foster doesn't get in the team then he will get a move to another Prem club. By all means reply to posts mate, but make sure what you know what you're on about before making sarcastic comments eh? your only saying he is talent because he went to manure if he went to fail for example you would be praising him for getting rid of the rubbish Believe me, I would never praise Pulis. Calm yourself there youth... Fact is we got top wonga for Foster and he had never played, he has been off our wage bill for a number of years and how many games has he played for Man U in that time, not too many - in the meantime we used the money to help build a squad for promotion, that’s what smaller clubs do, and what Man U did is what bigger clubs do...are you with me so far? So if Foster doesn't do well and Man U sell him on, who do you think gets a slice of that pie too? The same goes for de Laet who we only ever signed as a favour anyway! Try to keep your pulis hating wankstainery away from your issues as it clearly clouds your judgement and makes you look like a tool...
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Post by bgpotter on Jan 8, 2009 13:01:00 GMT
THis really leaves me totally confused - at one time id have said Pulis doesnt give youngsters a chance but that obviously wasnt the case last year as we had a very young defence and he did give youngsters like Dicko Wilko and shawcross there chance - but he seems also to get rid of other yyoungsters too early - pato and Henry might have only ever been squad players but with a few more years behind them who knows? They may have been better than some of our "prem" players who are getting a game at the moment! Commons better in the prem on the left than cressy? pato better than Vince? ManU must see something in Delaet - they dont buy youngsters just for the hell of it - like some posters on here seem to be hinting at - which is just bloody stupid! And Vass has now gone to Napoli - hardly a second rate club - again perhaps if WE had seen his potential and been willing to bring him on then we wouldnt be having all these threads about needing a creative midfielder! It really does leave me cross - but more bewildered than anything else! Perhaps our backroom staff/reserve&youngsters coaches/scouts/need a shake up???
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Post by th05 on Jan 8, 2009 13:04:15 GMT
Boskamp ruined Karl Henry's career at Stoke I thought he played more games in that season than in any previous?
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Post by onebollockbarry on Jan 8, 2009 13:04:33 GMT
Lets be honest, half of our squad that will roll out on Saturday would struggle to get in the top 6 teams in the Championship.
No way of hiding the fact that £22 million spent on very poor signings bar Ab Faye, most of the signings dont even start and we rely on the dross from last year.
Anyone who can stick up for someone who plays Cresswell and Pericard in the same team week in week out needs his eyes burning out.
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Post by bgpotter on Jan 8, 2009 13:08:26 GMT
I fully agree onebollockbarry
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2009 13:11:23 GMT
DeLaet gone to Utd. Fucking great - another young player with OBVIOUS talent leaves the club. Never mind we can spend another £3million on the likes of Sonko. Good luck to the lad, they will coach him properly and he will eventually play or get a lucrative move, making himself good money and of course Utd money. £3million Etherington - good player, but perhaps if Commons was given a chance and God forbid COACHED properly, then we would have the left sided player we have wanted for the last 5 seasons. Two more forwards probably will be signed - great, but perhaps if Paterson was given a chance and God forbid COACHED properly, then we would not have had to endure Pericard as backup. The managers record on bringing on young talent is abysmal. Do you not think you might be being a weensy bit hysterical? The De Laet thing seems to have been in the works all along. He hasn't pulled up any trees when he's been out on loan at any stage. Commons was offered a contract and would have seen a lot more time on the field with Hoekstra retiring but he was a greedy little f***er and moved on. We couldn't guarantee Patto first team football. We did offer him a deal though. Would you have played him? Instead of who? With Foster, we had two very good goalkeepers at the club in very good form and so loaned Foster out. Would you have played an untried rookie instead of one of them? Would you have told him he couldn't have his dream move to Man Yoo because he was needed to sit on our bench?
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Post by mcf on Jan 8, 2009 13:12:04 GMT
we rely on the dross from last year?????
it was those players that came 2nd last year
you PHWs really are thick
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Post by th05 on Jan 8, 2009 13:13:41 GMT
Lets be honest, half of our squad that will roll out on Saturday would struggle to get in the top 6 teams in the Championship. No way of hiding the fact that £22 million spent on very poor signings bar Ab Faye, most of the signings dont even start and we rely on the dross from last year. Anyone who can stick up for someone who plays Cresswell and Pericard in the same team week in week out needs his eyes burning out. Disagree, Sorensen, Amdy, Higgy all great signings. Davies and Soares could be ones for the future.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 8, 2009 13:15:14 GMT
I'm sure all the PHW experts know, but given that we got this player from a Man Ure feeder club/link up club then the notion that we were just looking after him sounds like the most reasonable explanation, rather than him just hating youngsters. Ignore the fact that he plays Wilko and Dicko though, and that he was prepared to spend a stack of money on a youngster in the shape of Shawcross. Two in 6 years. Shawcross was developed by Utd. The 'Stoke 2' developed by the club - good athletes, poor footballers. Neither can pass a ball. They are 100%'ers which makes them Premiership footballers in the Managers opinion. You do well to defend Pulis on many things but you can't defend his record on this. As someone else has said, the coaching/scouting setup needs to be looked at. The managers one dimensional tactic prohibits the development of footballers end of story. we rely on the dross from last year????? it was those players that came 2nd last year you PHWs really are thick They were that good, the Manager felt the need to spend £30million on new players. Mind you, we have had the dugouts done, so a better class of benchwarmer is required.
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Post by jcscfc on Jan 8, 2009 13:21:49 GMT
Football is a horses for courses game at times just like any other work place. If your face fits and all that. All managers play different styles and want players to be of different builds etc etc
How anybody can mention Karl Henry, Hoefkens, Commons is beyond belief. All average players. He has n't moved on to better things.
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Post by ruts66 on Jan 8, 2009 13:24:10 GMT
For those full of hatred of all things MUFC, I personally feel it is a very positive thing that we have good relations with Sir Alex.
Who knows what favours we might get in return for giving RDL temporary bed and board.
When you're in our current predicament help from the best of the best has to be of value...
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Post by boscfc on Jan 8, 2009 13:27:14 GMT
and Pugsley has the front to label someone else myopic ...
jesus wept ....
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 8, 2009 13:28:12 GMT
and Pugsley has the front to label someone else myopic ... jesus wept .... Fair point ;D
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 8, 2009 13:28:15 GMT
I'll be honest I don't think anyone has ever put De Laet in their predicted team for the week!
Same as when we had FOster to be honest, he wasn't as good as Simmo at the time or De Goey and we got a good deal.
Hopefully De Laet becomes a roaring success at Man U and we get lots of money but I very much doubt he will get in at right back ahead of the other youngster Rafael and i'm guessing Rafaels brother is a pretty solid bet for the future at left back!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 8, 2009 13:32:45 GMT
For those full of hatred of all things MUFC, I personally feel it is a very positive thing that we have good relations with Sir Alex. Who knows what favours we might get in return for giving RDL temporary bed and board. When you're in our current predicament help from the best of the best has to be of value... I'm not sure we've ben suffuciently well behaved lap dogs. We seem to have fucked up the announcement of the type of deal our lords and masters wished to make public.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 8, 2009 13:33:04 GMT
If De Laet had just been sold to Crewe, we would not even be having this discussion.
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