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Post by stokiedan17 on Apr 15, 2024 12:49:09 GMT
He suffers being in a team with no solid defence. He presses from the front which is what Schumacher wants and he’s pretty good with runs in behind to try and open up that passage of play and show for the ball ( triangles).
When the press at the front fails… the back four can’t deal with it so as a midfielder who is probably the attacking box to box midfielder out of the 3 (junho being the CAM, burger staying deep to dictate ) you’re relying on the defence to be able to cover this scenario they don’t, He gets slaughtered for being out of position and he gets called a bad player. I think you can see from his showings he’s intelligent and good offensively. We just don’t have those steel CBs and full backs to allow us to be progressive in attack. Asking him to sit deep and defend he hasn’t got the right attributes for that.
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Post by SteveWyman on Apr 15, 2024 13:14:11 GMT
I would have 10 of him over Laurent. He always shows for the ball, makes some great runs into good positions, but we just don't have people with enough ability to pick him out. He would be good in a good team. Agree 100%. His movement off the ball is outstanding. Even for set pieces, throw-ins etc. He is always looking to find space or create it for someone else. Something that has been lacking for a long time.
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Post by jeycov on Apr 15, 2024 13:39:20 GMT
We should be 100% behind whoever Schumacher selects
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Cundle
Apr 15, 2024 13:42:17 GMT
Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 15, 2024 13:42:17 GMT
He'll score again on Saturday.
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Cundle
Apr 16, 2024 7:42:28 GMT
Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 16, 2024 7:42:28 GMT
He suffers being in a team with no solid defence. He presses from the front which is what Schumacher wants and he’s pretty good with runs in behind to try and open up that passage of play and show for the ball ( triangles). When the press at the front fails… the back four can’t deal with it so as a midfielder who is probably the attacking box to box midfielder out of the 3 (junho being the CAM, burger staying deep to dictate ) you’re relying on the defence to be able to cover this scenario they don’t, He gets slaughtered for being out of position and he gets called a bad player. I think you can see from his showings he’s intelligent and good offensively. We just don’t have those steel CBs and full backs to allow us to be progressive in attack. Asking him to sit deep and defend he hasn’t got the right attributes for that. Couldn't agree more. In a team with a decent defence he is perfect for the way Schumacher wants to play but our defensive frailties means we are vulnerable. Good spot about him taking up positions in space to receive the ball - thought against Hull in particular he was excellent in that respect, always making himself available.
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Post by baconburger on Apr 16, 2024 9:09:08 GMT
Jesus Christ scored a goal has he?? He’s been a terrible signing. He’ll Have a good career- but not a player for a dog fight. Is that what we aspire to a perpetual “dog fight”. I think some of our fans actually do.
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Apr 16, 2024 17:05:18 GMT
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Post by Ron on Apr 16, 2024 17:05:18 GMT
Jesus Christ scored a goal has he?? He’s been a terrible signing. He’ll Have a good career- but not a player for a dog fight. Is that what we aspire to a perpetual “dog fight”. I think some of our fans actually do. we’re in one though bacon aren’t we? Cundle might flourish in a side sling well playing nice football and pressing from the front. We’re in a mess of our own making and we need to do what it takes. Fair play he could have kept us up with that tidy finish- but- over 90 mins where games are going to be scrappy battles- he ain’t ur man.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 16, 2024 17:07:33 GMT
Oh God he’s scored one so it makes up for 3 months of utter shite.
Stop doing this.
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Post by st3mark on Apr 16, 2024 17:47:28 GMT
After watching his interview the other day it really hit home to me how young he is.
The support we've given him has been embarrassing really and not how we used to treat our young players.
I hope we sign him permanently and that he reaches his full potential here.
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Apr 16, 2024 17:49:28 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 16, 2024 17:49:28 GMT
After watching his interview the other day it really hit home to me how young he is. The support we've given him has been embarrassing really and not how we used to treat our young players. I hope we sign him permanently and that he reaches his full potential here. He’s a loanee who has been shit. The support has been about right.
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Apr 16, 2024 18:28:44 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Apr 16, 2024 18:28:44 GMT
After watching his interview the other day it really hit home to me how young he is. The support we've given him has been embarrassing really and not how we used to treat our young players. I hope we sign him permanently and that he reaches his full potential here. If we’re giving Wolves a couple of million for any player I’d take Hoever over Cundle every time.
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Apr 16, 2024 18:30:49 GMT
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Post by lordb on Apr 16, 2024 18:30:49 GMT
After watching his interview the other day it really hit home to me how young he is. The support we've given him has been embarrassing really and not how we used to treat our young players. I hope we sign him permanently and that he reaches his full potential here. If we’re giving Wolves a couple of million for any player I’d take Hoever over Cundle every time. £40k a week for Hoever which means it's improbable
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Apr 16, 2024 18:34:35 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Apr 16, 2024 18:34:35 GMT
Is that what we aspire to a perpetual “dog fight”. I think some of our fans actually do. we’re in one though bacon aren’t we? Cundle might flourish in a side sling well playing nice football and pressing from the front. We’re in a mess of our own making and we need to do what it takes. Fair play he could have kept us up with that tidy finish- but- over 90 mins where games are going to be scrappy battles- he ain’t ur man. Did the word perpetual escape you. We need to do whatever it takes but we also need to look beyond the next three games. We’re going to have to make a decision whether we aspire to play football or try to create a resilient attritional team/squad. If we’ve changed our aim to the latter we’ve got the wrong head coach never mind Cundle.
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Post by baconburger on Apr 16, 2024 18:38:31 GMT
If we’re giving Wolves a couple of million for any player I’d take Hoever over Cundle every time. £40k a week for Hoever which means it's improbable For how much longer? Eventually he’s going have to take a big reduction in the hope of showing more of what made them pay big money for him. Take a step back with the aim of moving forward in the long run.
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Apr 16, 2024 18:51:23 GMT
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Apr 16, 2024 18:51:23 GMT
Oh God he’s scored one so it makes up for 3 months of utter shite. Stop doing this. 🤣 basically he’s played for two shit teams this season both fighting relegation - doesn’t reflect well on him
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Apr 16, 2024 18:53:44 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 16, 2024 18:53:44 GMT
After watching his interview the other day it really hit home to me how young he is. The support we've given him has been embarrassing really and not how we used to treat our young players. I hope we sign him permanently and that he reaches his full potential here. If we’re giving Wolves a couple of million for any player I’d take Hoever over Cundle every time. Thank the lord you're not the manager. We need defenders who can defend ffs.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 16, 2024 18:57:30 GMT
Oh God he’s scored one so it makes up for 3 months of utter shite. Stop doing this. 🤣 basically he’s played for two shit teams this season both fighting relegation - doesn’t reflect well on him A loanees job is to come in and improve a side instantly. He’s failed.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Apr 16, 2024 19:04:08 GMT
🤣 basically he’s played for two shit teams this season both fighting relegation - doesn’t reflect well on him A loanees job is to come in and improve a side instantly. He’s failed. Exactly- bugger all point otherwise. A crazy signing at the time anyway given the screams for a CB and LB
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 17, 2024 7:11:34 GMT
🤣 basically he’s played for two shit teams this season both fighting relegation - doesn’t reflect well on him A loanees job is to come in and improve a side instantly. He’s failed. Agreed. If he can’t, why should the new team take him? It’s my feeling that loans should be there to bring in a standard of player that the squad can’t afford on a permanent deal. Waiting for that player to reach a high standard in the last 3 or so games of the season seems like the wrong loan. We always make the wrong loans and then never bring them back once they are developing (Clarke, JPB, Harwood-Bellis).
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Post by moon on Apr 17, 2024 7:23:35 GMT
£40k a week for Hoever which means it's improbable For how much longer? Eventually he’s going have to take a big reduction in the hope of showing more of what made them pay big money for him. Take a step back with the aim of moving forward in the long run. You’d think he would see out his contract, typically 5 years for a promising youngster who cost £9m. He’ll probably be out somewhere on loan next season, I’d like to see him back here for another year.
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Post by karl on Apr 17, 2024 7:35:51 GMT
Do you think we would have him back next season?
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Post by thornestein on Apr 17, 2024 7:44:01 GMT
Do you think we would have him back next season? why would we , he’s been poor mostly
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Apr 17, 2024 8:09:52 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 17, 2024 8:09:52 GMT
A loanees job is to come in and improve a side instantly. He’s failed. Agreed. If he can’t, why should the new team take him? It’s my feeling that loans should be there to bring in a standard of player that the squad can’t afford on a permanent deal. Waiting for that player to reach a high standard in the last 3 or so games of the season seems like the wrong loan. We always make the wrong loans and then never bring them back once they are developing (Clarke, JPB, Harwood-Bellis). Yep, we’ve been guilty of incubating other clubs players whilst having zero short term gain ourselves.
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Apr 17, 2024 8:10:20 GMT
Post by nottsover60 on Apr 17, 2024 8:10:20 GMT
🤣 basically he’s played for two shit teams this season both fighting relegation - doesn’t reflect well on him A loanees job is to come in and improve a side instantly. He’s failed. Is that what Tezgel has done at MK Don's then? Is he therefore a failure too? No point in hoping for him to play for Stoke if he can't impact a Div 2 team and some say he should have been given games here!
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 17, 2024 8:14:23 GMT
Agreed. If he can’t, why should the new team take him? It’s my feeling that loans should be there to bring in a standard of player that the squad can’t afford on a permanent deal. Waiting for that player to reach a high standard in the last 3 or so games of the season seems like the wrong loan. We always make the wrong loans and then never bring them back once they are developing (Clarke, JPB, Harwood-Bellis). Yep, we’ve been guilty of incubating other clubs players whilst having zero short term gain ourselves. They also come to add depth to the squad and for their own benefit of gaining experience. It is also a chance for the club to decide whether to make an offer for them. Rather loan a young player than some of the bang average more experienced players we have had in the past.
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Apr 17, 2024 8:18:23 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 17, 2024 8:18:23 GMT
Yep, we’ve been guilty of incubating other clubs players whilst having zero short term gain ourselves. They also come to add depth to the squad and for their own benefit of gaining experience. It is also a chance for the club to decide whether to make an offer for them. Rather loan a young player than some of the bang average more experienced players we have had in the past. I’d rather promote one of our own youngsters from the academy. I’m all in favour of loans if they offer us something better in the short term. I fail to see the point in us suffering from their mistakes and inconsistencies for the long term benefit of their parent clubs.
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Apr 17, 2024 8:40:45 GMT
Post by nottsover60 on Apr 17, 2024 8:40:45 GMT
They also come to add depth to the squad and for their own benefit of gaining experience. It is also a chance for the club to decide whether to make an offer for them. Rather loan a young player than some of the bang average more experienced players we have had in the past. I’d rather promote one of our own youngsters from the academy. I’m all in favour of loans if they offer us something better in the short term. I fail to see the point in us suffering from their mistakes and inconsistencies for the long term benefit of their parent clubs. So are we so arrogant as to think that our own youngsters should get loans at lower league clubs to develop but refuse to help to develop a young player from another club? From the limited times I have seen Tezgel, Cundle and Hoever are head and shoulders above him at the moment and his loan is not a huge success in terms of impacting MK Don's but is improving his fitness and experience away from the big crowds at his own club.
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Apr 17, 2024 9:01:10 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 17, 2024 9:01:10 GMT
I’d rather promote one of our own youngsters from the academy. I’m all in favour of loans if they offer us something better in the short term. I fail to see the point in us suffering from their mistakes and inconsistencies for the long term benefit of their parent clubs. So are we so arrogant as to think that our own youngsters should get loans at lower league clubs to develop but refuse to help to develop a young player from another club? From the limited times I have seen Tezgel, Cundle and Hoever are head and shoulders above him at the moment and his loan is not a huge success in terms of impacting MK Don's but is improving his fitness and experience away from the big crowds at his own club. It’s supposed to be a mutual benefit. MK have taken Tezgel in the hope that he will make a positive contribution to their season and help them get promoted to league 1. Why should we take other clubs players, give them a good stage to demonstrate their talents, and not expect something back in return?
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Apr 17, 2024 10:09:54 GMT
Post by nottsover60 on Apr 17, 2024 10:09:54 GMT
So are we so arrogant as to think that our own youngsters should get loans at lower league clubs to develop but refuse to help to develop a young player from another club? From the limited times I have seen Tezgel, Cundle and Hoever are head and shoulders above him at the moment and his loan is not a huge success in terms of impacting MK Don's but is improving his fitness and experience away from the big crowds at his own club. It’s supposed to be a mutual benefit. MK have taken Tezgel in the hope that he will make a positive contribution to their season and help them get promoted to league 1. Why should we take other clubs players, give them a good stage to demonstrate their talents, and not expect something back in return? We took Cundle on the same basis and we've probably had as much from Cundle as MK have from Tezgel.
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Post by AlliG on Apr 17, 2024 10:32:29 GMT
For how much longer? Eventually he’s going have to take a big reduction in the hope of showing more of what made them pay big money for him. Take a step back with the aim of moving forward in the long run. You’d think he would see out his contract, typically 5 years for a promising youngster who cost £9m. He’ll probably be out somewhere on loan next season, I’d like to see him back here for another year. He signed a new contract at Wolves before he came back on loan at the start of this season.
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