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Post by ceejays on Mar 7, 2024 5:40:29 GMT
Well Norwich Sunderland and now Leeds are just three matches I can recall where he backs off and backs off allowing the winger to shoot centre or pass . Three goals that would have been avoided with a proper full back who gets close to his man . Hoping Enda is back soon if only for a few games before he breaks down again
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Post by idle on Mar 7, 2024 7:37:24 GMT
Well Norwich Sunderland and now Leeds are just three matches I can recall where he backs off and backs off allowing the winger to shoot centre or pass . Three goals that would have been avoided with a proper full back who gets close to his man . Hoping Enda is back soon if only for a few games before he breaks down again It's a real problem as he's just not confident enough in his tackling ability (and rightly so). But Burger has to take his share of the blame for whimpy James giving them both the runaround for the Leeds goal.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 7, 2024 7:49:20 GMT
He’s not very good and he’s not a full back.
It’s not a great combination in truth.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 7, 2024 7:57:32 GMT
Nor is he left footed.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Mar 7, 2024 9:00:09 GMT
Annoys me when I see players doing it and it Gooch is a serial offender for it.
I don’t understand why players do it because not only does it allow the opposition the time and space to pick out the pass but the opposition is also advancing into really dangerous areas where a mistimed tackle is way more costly than it would have been had they not backed off.
Gooch can’t really defend and whilst he is full of running with the ball going forward his end product is severely wanting. I don’t like him at all.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Mar 7, 2024 9:19:20 GMT
All goes back to how ridiculous the Tymon deal was with no replacement lined up. Relying on a 33 year old crock was never going to end well.
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Post by clarkeda on Mar 7, 2024 9:27:00 GMT
Should work in his favour if he’s pushing people inside. Especially the right footed James.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 7, 2024 9:28:01 GMT
What is he actually? I’ve been trying to work it out since he arrived. A player who doesn’t seem to have any natural position!
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Post by tqstokie on Mar 7, 2024 9:28:29 GMT
All goes back to how ridiculous the Tymon deal was with no replacement lined up. Relying on a 33 year old crock was never going to end well. Tymon was poor at full back another one who never got close enough to prevent the cross. You seem to have selective memory.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 7, 2024 9:33:10 GMT
All goes back to how ridiculous the Tymon deal was with no replacement lined up. Relying on a 33 year old crock was never going to end well. Tymon was poor at full back another one who never got close enough to prevent the cross. You seem to have selective memory. Tymon does exactly the same.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Mar 7, 2024 9:40:13 GMT
What is he actually? I’ve been trying to work it out since he arrived. A player who doesn’t seem to have any natural position! Benchwarmer?
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Mar 7, 2024 9:40:17 GMT
All goes back to how ridiculous the Tymon deal was with no replacement lined up. Relying on a 33 year old crock was never going to end well. Tymon was poor at full back another one who never got close enough to prevent the cross. You seem to have selective memory. I don't have happy memories of Tymon , he was bang average and I was glad to see him go. What I wasn't glad of is us having no replacement lined up BUT as avergae as he was he was a left footed left back and would be a better option than Gooch. Shite recruitment or lack of.
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 7, 2024 10:03:10 GMT
He was doing it in his early spells at fullback at the beginning of the year as well. I like him but for someone who works so hard to be competitive, his stand off approach to allowing balls into the boxes has seen us concede about 5 goals this season ( = 5 losses given we don’t score when we go behind).
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 7, 2024 10:18:38 GMT
Tymon was poor at full back another one who never got close enough to prevent the cross. You seem to have selective memory. I don't have happy memories of Tymon , he was bang average and I was glad to see him go. What I wasn't glad of is us having no replacement lined up BUT as avergae as he was he was a left footed left back and would be a better option than Gooch. Shite recruitment or lack of. Having a bang average fullback at fullback is a lot better than playing an average central midfielder or right winger there, I agree. That we had this issue in January and couldn’t be bothered to address it is mind boggling. That Tymon has generated 5 assists already this season is kind of annoying though.
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Post by tqstokie on Mar 7, 2024 10:28:23 GMT
Tymon was poor at full back another one who never got close enough to prevent the cross. You seem to have selective memory. I don't have happy memories of Tymon , he was bang average and I was glad to see him go. What I wasn't glad of is us having no replacement lined up BUT as avergae as he was he was a left footed left back and would be a better option than Gooch. Shite recruitment or lack of. We should have had a replacement many moons before Tymon went. Left back has been a running sore for years now.
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Post by noustie on Mar 7, 2024 10:34:17 GMT
If he dives in they'll just skip round him - the problem is him getting exposed 1v1 as shouldn't be happening.
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 7, 2024 10:41:01 GMT
If he dives in they'll just skip round him - the problem is him getting exposed 1v1 as shouldn't be happening. You can get close without diving in though. Standing 5 yards off at the edge of the box and allowing a cross to come in unchallenged is criminal. At some point in every game, you are going to have to play 1v1 and you have to be able to compete when doing so. Our inability to win those 1v1 battles has been a big problem all over the pitch, all season.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Mar 7, 2024 10:41:36 GMT
All goes back to how ridiculous the Tymon deal was with no replacement lined up. Relying on a 33 year old crock was never going to end well. He couldn't defend although we should have replaced him , yep They paid way too much for him for me. He wasn't very good
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 7, 2024 10:43:09 GMT
If he dives in they'll just skip round him - the problem is him getting exposed 1v1 as shouldn't be happening. Exactly this. When he has been up against two of the best wingers in the league, the solution isn't just as simple as jumping in. As a good example, Hoever is prone to diving in when the attacker has his back to goal - and he is regularly turned and exposed for it. This isn't really a defence of Gooch as to me he looks like a midtable Championship utility player at best, but at the moment he is being forced into being an inadequate solution to a problem we have refused to address.
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 7, 2024 10:46:54 GMT
I’ve thought for a while that he’s by far n away our weakest link…I’ve stopped myself posting about him as people get a tad narky when a player gets criticised but he really is shit🔴⚪️
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Post by tqstokie on Mar 7, 2024 10:52:42 GMT
It would be helpful if we could cut the supply to the opposition wingers who at the moment seem to get the ball in acres of space and are allowed to turn and face.
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Post by noustie on Mar 7, 2024 11:08:09 GMT
If he dives in they'll just skip round him - the problem is him getting exposed 1v1 as shouldn't be happening. You can get close without diving in though. Standing 5 yards off at the edge of the box and allowing a cross to come in unchallenged is criminal. At some point in every game, you are going to have to play 1v1 and you have to be able to compete when doing so. Our inability to win those 1v1 battles has been a big problem all over the pitch, all season. I agree defo a balance but he's slow though so he can't get too close or he'll just get skinned and obviously lacks confidence - he'll be shitting it as no way he should be left one v one versus anyone as a make shift left back in the midst of his legs going. Totally suicidal - he should have a wide midfielder with his arse parked in front of him. Against James the team should have been set up to keep him out wide and dropped into two tight banks of four as his delivery is absolutely pish In more general terms you're supposed to close them down then back them up to slow them down so when you finally do commit you hope a team mate is close enough to cover if they get past you. Henry was on about it when he went to Barca - he basically had to do shuttle runs all game and the only freedom he had was once they were in their final third. Even then though is they lost the ball his arse was back on the wing covering the full back. Personal bug bear when parents at the side tell kids to jump in when they're the last line of defense about 10 yards inside their own half.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 7, 2024 11:37:00 GMT
If he dives in they'll just skip round him - the problem is him getting exposed 1v1 as shouldn't be happening. Exactly this. When he has been up against two of the best wingers in the league, the solution isn't just as simple as jumping in. As a good example, Hoever is prone to diving in when the attacker has his back to goal - and he is regularly turned and exposed for it. This isn't really a defence of Gooch as to me he looks like a midtable Championship utility player at best, but at the moment he is being forced into being an inadequate solution to a problem we have refused to address. Actually it is a perfectly reasonable defence of Gooch - as you rightly point out he's a mid table utility player not doing as good a job as a specialist left back. It isn't his fault the club neglected to get someone in do the job and instead gambled on playing a stop gap. It was the same with Thompson - he had a couple of passable performances and has subsequently got targeted and shown up for the same reason.
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Post by biddulphchav on Mar 7, 2024 12:16:57 GMT
I’ve never seen a player in all my years watching football as clueless as he is. He’s no football intelligence whatsoever. He doesn’t just stand off his man, he stands miles off him and lets the wide player pick the cross as and when he sees fit. This allows runners into the box and players can get half a yard on our centre backs.
Gooch is a league one player (and an average one at that), and has no natural position. We signed him because he knew AN and we’d messed up so badly recruiting fullbacks I think we panicked. Not sure how long we are lumbered with him but I don’t think he should be playing for the run in as he’ll cost us.
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Post by onlyonesirstan on Mar 7, 2024 12:26:46 GMT
I’ve never seen a player in all my years watching football as clueless as he is. He’s no football intelligence whatsoever. He doesn’t just stand off his man, he stands miles off him and lets the wide player pick the cross as and when he sees fit. This allows runners into the box and players can get half a yard on our centre backs. Gooch is a league one player (and an average one at that), and has no natural position. We signed him because he knew AN and we’d messed up so badly recruiting fullbacks I think we panicked. Not sure how long we are lumbered with him but I don’t think he should be playing for the run in as he’ll cost us. The thing that is so annoying, is if fans can see it week in week out, why doesn't the manager highlight the problem too him?. Yes we should have got a left back in during the transfer window, but the manager must try and solve his problems. If I kept on making the same mistakes at work, I would hope my manager would inform me of those issues.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Mar 7, 2024 12:36:58 GMT
Both burger and Gooch are too passive and allow James loads of time to switch to his right foot.
I thought in the first half we weren't combative, too passive, but improved a lot when Pearson and Campbell came in
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 7, 2024 12:39:03 GMT
To be fair the role of full backs has been subject to a lot of change over the years accompanied by a circle jerk for the wing back role.
It is actually one of the more difficult positions on a football field. You generally have the pleasure of facing up the fastest and trickiest players on the opposing team. And similar to goal keepers you are mercilessly mocked when exposed with little thought to how your midfield have actually caused the issue in the first place.
So for me playing part time or non specialist full backs in that position is not good planning and its a bit folly to slam them when things inevitably go wrong. This one is on recruitment not Gooch. Gooch is a half decent baller who in my view is at least positive in his approach to the game. But Ashley Cole he most certainly isn't..
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 7, 2024 12:45:35 GMT
The fact he struggles to make a 6 yard pass has got fuck all to do with him being left exposed, he’s just a shit footballer🔴⚪️
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Post by stokest5 on Mar 7, 2024 12:45:47 GMT
He will always give it his all but ability wise he’s just an average championship player. He will have some good games but the majority either ok or below par.
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 7, 2024 12:49:38 GMT
He will always give it his all but ability wise he’s just an average championship player. He will have some good games but the majority either ok or below par. I honestly think he’s a good league one player but a shit champ player…I don’t like bashing any player but it’s my opinion of him🔴⚪️
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