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Post by idle on Feb 27, 2024 11:42:11 GMT
We're better against teams that try to play pretty football. I'm going for a rare home win!
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Post by printer1234 on Feb 27, 2024 11:46:27 GMT
No one should go if they are going to slag the team off 100% support only
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Post by mcw on Feb 27, 2024 11:47:04 GMT
Absolutely shitting it already, to be honest. If ever any game was a must-win, it's this one. Middlesbrough having nothing to play for goes one of two ways - they don't give a shit and we actually win, or they turn up and play with a freedom and murder us. If we win, it'll be a 1-0, brown undies affair. Even though I have sort of accepted we'll go down, nobody actually wants it to happen, do they? I hope the players somehow summon enough effort and bollocks to put some performances in and get some results. I’m pretty much in the same boat regarding accepting we’re down. There’s nothing to suggest that we’ve got enough quality, composure and grit to all of a sudden win a run of games when we’ve only managed 9 wins all season. Hate to be doom and gloom about us and I like to look at the positives where possible but they’re just too few and far between😟 Same here, just can't see it. We just can't seem to cut out defensive errors and have absolutely no cutting edge up front, doesn't matter how well we play in the middle third of the pitch or number of chances created as we never take our opportunities and on the flip side we seem incapable of not presenting the opposition with at least one or more chances through our own shoddy defensive play. Coventry/Cardiff/Birmingham all very similar winnable games where we were in the game, competitive enough but contrived to come out on the wrong side of the result due to our own failings. Somehow we need to put back to back performances/victories together very soon where we actually take our chances and don't give up stupid chances to breed some confidence and life into the team. But that to me is just pure fantasy given past experience to date.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 27, 2024 11:49:56 GMT
It's not doomsday even if we lose, given there will be 11 games left and nothing will happen if we lose. Doomsday for me is a scenario where we can't recover if it goes tits up.
But it's an absolutely massive fixture and arguably our most winnable until April (gulp). Pressure on Schumacher will be almost unbearable if we don't pick up a win here. As much as I'd love to be optimistic I just don't think we'll have it, much as we haven't had it at home for 2 years now.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 27, 2024 12:05:42 GMT
They have nothing to play for,so they could just relax and give us a footballing lesson,then toddle back up North with 3 pts in the bag
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Post by mamathestriker on Feb 27, 2024 12:08:01 GMT
They have nothing to play for,so they could just relax and give us a footballing lesson,then toddle back up North with 3 pts in the bag It's probably their very last shot at a late play off push.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 27, 2024 13:50:39 GMT
There’s absolutely zero chance he’ll be in charge next year if we go down. I doubt he’ll see this season out now Of course there's a 99% chance he'll be in charge next year even if we go down. Have you ever known this board to make rash decisions? In the past they haven't but more recently they have. Firing Tricky and appointing SJW smacked of panic, and I think JC is floundering. Either way there's not a hope in hell that a bloke brought in to make us competitive in the Champ will survive taking us down. If we lose badly on Sat I think he could be toast already
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Post by georgeberrysafro on Feb 27, 2024 13:50:52 GMT
Surely it's time for a team to ruck up and gift us 2 soft goals in the first half.
We do it for every other bugger on a bad run/out of form so it's our turn please.
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Post by jokker on Feb 27, 2024 18:11:59 GMT
Of course there's a 99% chance he'll be in charge next year even if we go down. Have you ever known this board to make rash decisions? In the past they haven't but more recently they have. Firing Tricky and appointing SJW smacked of panic, and I think JC is floundering. Either way there's not a hope in hell that a bloke brought in to make us competitive in the Champ will survive taking us down. If we lose badly on Sat I think he could be toast already There's going to be a point where the board - who used to pride themselves of not sacking managers - will realise that constantly sacking maanagers only brings more trouble. They've already forced 19 Neil/Martin players on Schuhmacher who with or without Martin has added another 5. So if they did let him go, the new manager, who will obviously want to work with his own 23 players, will have to get rid of the current batch first, a process which won't be easy this summer.
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Post by rotweiss79 on Feb 27, 2024 18:14:42 GMT
If we lose on Saturday I shall be extremely cross, throw a right strop and boo rather loudly. So there.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 27, 2024 18:18:45 GMT
In the past they haven't but more recently they have. Firing Tricky and appointing SJW smacked of panic, and I think JC is floundering. Either way there's not a hope in hell that a bloke brought in to make us competitive in the Champ will survive taking us down. If we lose badly on Sat I think he could be toast already There's going to be a point where the board - who used to pride themselves of not sacking managers - will realise that constantly sacking maanagers only brings more trouble. They've already forced 19 Neil/Martin players on Schuhmacher who with or without Martin has added another 5. So if they did let him go, the new manager, who will obviously want to work with his own 23 players, will have to get rid of the current batch first, a process which won't be easy this summer. I mean whether they stick or twist they'll be missing the point of where the trouble originates. I'm just saying Shuey will be ancient history if he takes us down. I'm not sure any manager anywhere could take over from a failing predecessor, perform worse, get the team relegated and expect to remain in the job.
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Post by retrostoke on Feb 27, 2024 18:32:51 GMT
Time to turn up and support. Recriminations and blame can wait till the end of the season.
The support has a part to play now just as much as any single player.
Any fans can turn up in numbers and be loud when things are going for them. I like to think Stoke fans are the best there are. The next few weeks will determine that. Turn up, be loud, encourage and save the booing till the end of the season.
Be loyal…. Be proud…. Let’s hear it.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 27, 2024 21:40:58 GMT
He wont be here in April there you go and I’ll stand by that and not been wrong often recently You've been wrong every week when you proclaimed that doom is happening now. I’ve been spot on pointsxwisexsnd trajectory wise for a number of seasons
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Post by Old School Stokie on Feb 27, 2024 21:55:49 GMT
The sun will still rise in the morning and it will go dark in the evening - whatever happens will not really affect your life, will it? Disappointing about the maximum but there are other more important things to worry about. What’s all the fuss about?
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Feb 27, 2024 22:28:39 GMT
They have nothing to play for,so they could just relax and give us a footballing lesson,then toddle back up North with 3 pts in the bag It's probably their very last shot at a late play off push. Ang on a bit theres 12 games to . Surely we can still make the play offs statistically...Don't give up on us baby as David Soul sang RIP..
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 27, 2024 22:56:22 GMT
I don't agree with it but realistically, it is last chance saloon for the head coach.
He should be brave and stick to his principles.
Iverson
Tchamadeu Rose Wilmot Hoever
Pearson Bae Burger
Manhoef Ennis. Vidigal
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 27, 2024 23:10:11 GMT
Leeds will be a key game no matter what the result against Boro - they are bang in form and the crowd are up for it, can't see our lot standing up to the pressure.
If that is something like 8-0 it could destroy confidence totally going forward.
If we lose against Boro, might be worth letting the new manager sit in the stands against Leeds and let Gally take charge of the team for that game, if we get a respectable 4-1 defeat the team will be ok and then a bit of new manager bounce post the Leeds game
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Post by jokker on Feb 27, 2024 23:13:47 GMT
There's going to be a point where the board - who used to pride themselves of not sacking managers - will realise that constantly sacking maanagers only brings more trouble. They've already forced 19 Neil/Martin players on Schuhmacher who with or without Martin has added another 5. So if they did let him go, the new manager, who will obviously want to work with his own 23 players, will have to get rid of the current batch first, a process which won't be easy this summer. I mean whether they stick or twist they'll be missing the point of where the trouble originates. I'm just saying Shuey will be ancient history if he takes us down. I'm not sure any manager anywhere could take over from a failing predecessor, perform worse, get the team relegated and expect to remain in the job. That won't be the decisive factors in the Coates decisionmaking. They will look at whether they think he can turn things around and then take us forward from L1 if and when that indeed happens. The 2 months he's had hasn't been satisfactory but nor has it been a satisfactory period to make a decision upon. Again they've never sacked anyone after such a short period. They might even have kept Lambert on if he hadn't sort of sacked himself by making demands on Coates that he didn't like.
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Post by stokefanone on Feb 27, 2024 23:16:54 GMT
Amid the anxiety just remember, we'll only go down if we finish in the bottom three. We are bottom three!
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 27, 2024 23:19:56 GMT
It's not doomsday even if we lose, given there will be 11 games left and nothing will happen if we lose. Doomsday for me is a scenario where we can't recover if it goes tits up. But it's an absolutely massive fixture and arguably our most winnable until April (gulp). Pressure on Schumacher will be almost unbearable if we don't pick up a win here. As much as I'd love to be optimistic I just don't think we'll have it, much as we haven't had it at home for 2 years now. Doomsday for me is a molten rock the size of London heading for earth .. Sorry. Just being watching that Jennifer Lawrence Don't Look Up film.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 27, 2024 23:20:30 GMT
Amid the anxiety just remember, we'll only go down if we finish in the bottom three. We are bottom three! 12 games to go still. Its not looking good granted but a lot of twists and turns yet. Just got to hope SJW and Schumacher hatch a plan and pull us outta the fire..
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Post by Xyphon on Feb 28, 2024 9:41:14 GMT
They have nothing to play for,so they could just relax and give us a footballing lesson,then toddle back up North with 3 pts in the bag Yeah, they'll be a lot more relaxed while we'll be edgy from the relegation fight. Can see middlesbrough walking over us as we try to fight back.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 28, 2024 11:57:21 GMT
I don't agree with it but realistically, it is last chance saloon for the head coach. He should be brave and stick to his principles. Iverson Tchamadeu Rose Wilmot Hoever Pearson Bae Burger Manhoef Ennis. Vidigal I know we have to play the likes of Wilmot & Hoever,because we don't have anyone else,this is the reason we might go down,because we HAVE to play players who are just not up to the job. This is AN & Martins fault,not Shueys.
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Post by mamathestriker on Feb 28, 2024 11:59:40 GMT
I don't agree with it but realistically, it is last chance saloon for the head coach. He should be brave and stick to his principles. Iverson Tchamadeu Rose Wilmot Hoever Pearson Bae Burger Manhoef Ennis. Vidigal I know we have to play the likes of Wilmot & Hoever,because we don't have anyone else,this is the reason we might go down,because we HAVE to play players who are just not up to the job. This is AN & Martins fault,not Shueys. He should have pushed and pushed and pushed for a CB and LB in the window. If we'd got those signings, I think we'd have been ok. That McFadzean looked superb for Blackburn last night. A solid CB who enjoys defending unlike our lot. SS walked into a bad situation but he's made it worse.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 28, 2024 12:04:32 GMT
I know we have to play the likes of Wilmot & Hoever,because we don't have anyone else,this is the reason we might go down,because we HAVE to play players who are just not up to the job. This is AN & Martins fault,not Shueys. He should have pushed and pushed and pushed for a CB and LB in the window. If we'd got those signings, I think we'd have been ok. That McFadzean looked superb for Blackburn last night. A solid CB who enjoys defending unlike our lot. SS walked into a bad situation but he's made it worse. He may well have pushed for one but nothing deemed suitable or better was available. The Jan window is a terrible window to be doing serious business in. Schumacher of course has to carry some blame but this squad of players ain't on him. Hes been here 9 weeks
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Post by stokemark on Feb 28, 2024 12:05:38 GMT
I don't agree with it but realistically, it is last chance saloon for the head coach. He should be brave and stick to his principles. Iverson Tchamadeu Rose Wilmot Hoever Pearson Bae Burger Manhoef Ennis. Vidigal I know we have to play the likes of Wilmot & Hoever,because we don't have anyone else,this is the reason we might go down,because we HAVE to play players who are just not up to the job. This is AN & Martins fault,not Shueys. Absolutely Totally agree with the need to play Pearson to offer some protection to that fragile central defence
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 28, 2024 12:06:30 GMT
Boro fan I know reliably informs me they have the worst record against the bottom 8 clubs in the whole league and they haven't kept a clean sheet away from home since October and have only kept 2 in 41 away games under Carrick.
Stoke City 0 is a nailed on cert.
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Post by mamathestriker on Feb 28, 2024 12:07:39 GMT
He should have pushed and pushed and pushed for a CB and LB in the window. If we'd got those signings, I think we'd have been ok. That McFadzean looked superb for Blackburn last night. A solid CB who enjoys defending unlike our lot. SS walked into a bad situation but he's made it worse. He may well have pushed for one but nothing deemed suitable or better was available. The Jan window is a terrible window to be doing serious business in. Schumacher of course has to carry some blame but this squad of players ain't on him. Hes been here 9 weeks Agreed, but he was here for the whole of January and it looks like as a collective the recruitment team thought the defence didn't need improvement. SS has been dealt a bad hand, of that there is no doubt. But after Rotherham on 14th January, just six weeks ago, we were just a few strides from safety. Since then, the whole club, SS included, has absolutely shat themselves.
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 28, 2024 12:08:05 GMT
I know we have to play the likes of Wilmot & Hoever,because we don't have anyone else,this is the reason we might go down,because we HAVE to play players who are just not up to the job. This is AN & Martins fault,not Shueys. He should have pushed and pushed and pushed for a CB and LB in the window. If we'd got those signings, I think we'd have been ok. That McFadzean looked superb for Blackburn last night. A solid CB who enjoys defending unlike our lot. SS walked into a bad situation but he's made it worse. It's just like our relegation from the Prem where we were crying out for a centre forward only this time at the other end. Lambert should've broke Coates' door down demanding for one, instead we limped to relegation watching Diouf miss chance after chance.
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 28, 2024 12:11:42 GMT
Wish this thread would disappear. The sword of damocles comes to mind.
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