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Post by Squeekster on Feb 17, 2024 19:22:27 GMT
Imagine sacking a manager now. Not one other manager would be interested. It would cost us a fortune. The dressing room would be even more confused. It would be a nail in the coffin with 15 games to go. Sack SS now and Stoke deserve relegation. I'm confused as fuck now with this setup!
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Post by mistergumby on Feb 17, 2024 19:23:00 GMT
There's only one person to blame for this shitshow and his name rhymes with 'Ron Boats'. Saw Ron Boats supporting Jasper Carrot at The Boggery in 1973. Never heard of him after that.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 17, 2024 19:27:05 GMT
As the various managers pass through the revolving door I really try to spot any improvements - it’s bloody difficult to pinpoint them.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 17, 2024 19:43:37 GMT
No, because it’s absolute bollox that Schumachers time is up. 2 out of the last 3 games the game was lost at 2pm He’s entirely out of his depth Lol. Schumacher ain't going anywhere. JC needs Schumacher to succeed or JC is in the shit as it will be obvious that JC is the problem. JC will give him everything he needs. Their destiny's are completely entwined now. And Schumacher will succeed i am convinced of that. He's actually doing okay considering the absolute shit storm he has come into. He's inherited a mess that any manager in the world would need time and resources to sort out. People need to calm the fook down in my opinion
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Post by glpotter on Feb 17, 2024 20:22:06 GMT
2 out of the last 3 games the game was lost at 2pm He’s entirely out of his depth Lol. Schumacher ain't going anywhere. JC needs Schumacher to succeed or JC is in the shit as it will be obvious that JC is the problem. JC will give him everything he needs. Their destiny's are completely entwined now. And Schumacher will succeed i am convinced of that. He's actually doing okay considering the absolute shit storm he has come into. He's inherited a mess that any manager in the world would need time and resources to sort out. People need to calm the fook down in my opinion Yeah ok I’ll calm down on my way to Wrexham
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 17, 2024 20:32:07 GMT
2 out of the last 3 games the game was lost at 2pm He’s entirely out of his depth Lol. Schumacher ain't going anywhere. JC needs Schumacher to succeed or JC is in the shit as it will be obvious that JC is the problem. JC will give him everything he needs. Their destiny's are completely entwined now. And Schumacher will succeed i am convinced of that. He's actually doing okay considering the absolute shit storm he has come into. He's inherited a mess that any manager in the world would need time and resources to sort out. People need to calm the fook down in my opinion Make no mistake there are others in the club who will happily throw SS under the bus to save themselves he’s in a battle for survival and my view is the enemy and rivals we see in the league table are not his biggest danger .
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Feb 17, 2024 22:06:37 GMT
This kinda has a feeling of "Nathan Jones" about it all over again!!! Young manager, does well with another club at a lower level.... We go head first to get him, forgetting all about championship level experience (no disrespect to Schumacher).... Ends up drawing and losing more games, even though the team are putting in some decent performances.... Then desperation kicks in, and we start to chop and change tactics and team selection by 4, 5, 6 different players a game!!! We'll be looking for a new Michael O'Neill to rescue us again shortly!!! When will we ever learn??? At no point under Jones did we ever look solid. With Schumacher at least we have looked fairly solid the last 2 games. He definitely has more about him than Jones. Jones had his own players too. On the back of a busy Christmas and playing 3 matches in a week it's no surprise he has to make changes. This is the Championship not the Premier League where they play once a week. So it has no similarities to Jones whatsoever.... 🤔
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Post by silverdollar on Feb 17, 2024 22:51:04 GMT
GlPotter It's pretty obvious that you are out of your depth when making judgements about football! So what did you make of his starting 11? Appalling chopping and changing, he’s another Mad Nath The team he picked was playing well and had taken control and we're facing few problems from a good team. One stupid mistake let the whole team and the crowd down!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 17, 2024 22:57:43 GMT
To leave Jun Ho, Junior and Ennis on the Bench makes me wonder whether this guy knows what he is doing. Crazy decision. Looked far better when they came on. Time to go? No, if we go down then, end of season. The fact we were better when they came on was probably the point. Thy weren't fit enough to do the full 90 so we played tight with the view to go and win the game later on where they could have more joy against tiring players. It didn't work this time but it was a perfectly acceptable strategy and might have worked if it weren't for Hoever's cock up. It was a absolute load of bollocks and zero points no goals and three points from the drop zone underpins that view
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 17, 2024 23:00:34 GMT
At no point under Jones did we ever look solid. With Schumacher at least we have looked fairly solid the last 2 games. He definitely has more about him than Jones. Jones had his own players too. On the back of a busy Christmas and playing 3 matches in a week it's no surprise he has to make changes. This is the Championship not the Premier League where they play once a week. So it has no similarities to Jones whatsoever.... 🤔 We were terrible down the left under Jones, no matter what formation he played we got caught with the same type of goal time and time again. He didn't have a clue what to do and we never looked in any sort of shape. You can see what Schumacher is trying to do with his changes and we look much better for it. We look more solid, but you can't legislate for a completely avoidable error. Schumacher definitely sets us up better than Jones ever could. Jones was a complete one trick pony, Schumacher has far more about him tactically.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 17, 2024 23:02:53 GMT
You forgot the biggest problem.
The Coates family.
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Post by Gods on Feb 17, 2024 23:05:08 GMT
Schumacher Martin Dublin out of their depth I can't help but agree. None of them have a single clue about what they are doing. It's not surprising though, none of them knew anything about how to do their new jobs when they joined. Schumacher had about 12 weeks Championship experience with Plymouth, R.Martin ran the boys team at West Ham, and Dublin was a low ranking bloke in IT industry. I expect they have to pinch themselves before they go to bed each night at the kind of income they are now pulling down. It has been an unmitgated disaster.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Feb 17, 2024 23:08:41 GMT
So it has no similarities to Jones whatsoever.... 🤔 We were terrible down the left under Jones, no matter what formation he played we got caught with the same type of goal time and time again. He didn't have a clue what to do and we never looked in any sort of shape. You can see what Schumacher is trying to do with his changes and we look much better for it. We look more solid, but you can't legislate for a completely avoidable error. Schumacher definitely sets us up better than Jones ever could. Jones was a complete one trick pony, Schumacher has far more about him tactically. My point wasn't about his tactics, it was just about the similarities, and what I put in my original post, the similarities are very close!!!
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 17, 2024 23:08:49 GMT
The fact we were better when they came on was probably the point. Thy weren't fit enough to do the full 90 so we played tight with the view to go and win the game later on where they could have more joy against tiring players. It didn't work this time but it was a perfectly acceptable strategy and might have worked if it weren't for Hoever's cock up. It was a absolute load of bollocks and zero points no goals and three points from the drop zone underpins that view We can't stop teams below us winning but we deserved more than a point today and got none because of a player error. They struggled to break us down all game as did QPR, we will learn to be a bit more creative with this set up the more we play it.
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 17, 2024 23:09:41 GMT
So what did you make of his starting 11? Appalling chopping and changing, he’s another Mad Nath The team he picked was playing well and had taken control and we're facing few problems from a good team. One stupid mistake let the whole team and the crowd down! The team he picked had not threatened the opposition goal and were a miracle away from being one down after about 15 minutes. The opposition had won 2 of their last 5 and had scraped a point at Plymouth with a 96 minute equaliser. The two they’d beat were in form Millwall and Sheff Wednesday. We had finally got a little momentum from Wednesday’s win. That was discarded when our best players were left on the bench. We’re back at square one. We have 13 games to avoid relegation: we need our best players on the field from the start of every one of them
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 17, 2024 23:11:04 GMT
We were terrible down the left under Jones, no matter what formation he played we got caught with the same type of goal time and time again. He didn't have a clue what to do and we never looked in any sort of shape. You can see what Schumacher is trying to do with his changes and we look much better for it. We look more solid, but you can't legislate for a completely avoidable error. Schumacher definitely sets us up better than Jones ever could. Jones was a complete one trick pony, Schumacher has far more about him tactically. My point wasn't about his tactics, it was just about the similarities, and what I put in my original post, the similarities are very close!!! I'm sorry I see no similarities other than them both being young managers. Schumacher seems ahead of his years to me.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 17, 2024 23:13:18 GMT
It was a absolute load of bollocks and zero points no goals and three points from the drop zone underpins that view We can't stop teams below us winning but we deserved more than a point today and got none because of a player error. They struggled to break us down all game as did QPR, we will learn to be a bit more creative with this set up the more we play it. It’s not the set up it’s the personnel.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Feb 17, 2024 23:14:52 GMT
So it has no similarities to Jones whatsoever.... 🤔 We were terrible down the left under Jones, no matter what formation he played we got caught with the same type of goal time and time again. He didn't have a clue what to do and we never looked in any sort of shape. You can see what Schumacher is trying to do with his changes and we look much better for it. We look more solid, but you can't legislate for a completely avoidable error. Schumacher definitely sets us up better than Jones ever could. Jones was a complete one trick pony, Schumacher has far more about him tactically. My original post wasn't necessarily about Jones's tactics, I'm just merely pointing out similarities between them both, from their work with their previous club in a lower league, to their time at Stoke!!!
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 17, 2024 23:17:50 GMT
Schumacher Martin Dublin out of their depth I can't help but agree. None of them have a single clue, it's not surprising though, none of them know anything about their jobs. Schumacher had about 12 weeks Championship experience, Martin ran the boys team at West Ham, and Dublin was a little ranking bloke in IT. And you've got a Chairman who has inherited his family's legacy as a hobby thing and knows precious little about running a modern football club.
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 17, 2024 23:19:59 GMT
We can't stop teams below us winning but we deserved more than a point today and got none because of a player error. They struggled to break us down all game as did QPR, we will learn to be a bit more creative with this set up the more we play it. It’s not the set up it’s the personnel. So how is Schumacher responsible for that? He's picking from a group of players that want to work to get us up the table and they are trying and working together. The players who aren't getting selected aren't up for the fight.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 17, 2024 23:20:25 GMT
So what did you make of his starting 11? Appalling chopping and changing, he’s another Mad Nath The team he picked was playing well and had taken control and we're facing few problems from a good team. One stupid mistake let the whole team and the crowd down! Can’t agree We didn’t threaten their goal. They had the better chances We haven’t improved at all
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 17, 2024 23:24:26 GMT
We were terrible down the left under Jones, no matter what formation he played we got caught with the same type of goal time and time again. He didn't have a clue what to do and we never looked in any sort of shape. You can see what Schumacher is trying to do with his changes and we look much better for it. We look more solid, but you can't legislate for a completely avoidable error. Schumacher definitely sets us up better than Jones ever could. Jones was a complete one trick pony, Schumacher has far more about him tactically. My original post wasn't necessarily about Jones's tactics, I'm just merely pointing out similarities between them both, from their work with their previous club in a lower league, to their time at Stoke!!! Doesn't Schumacher have some experience around the England team too? I'm sure he has a bit more experience than just lower league football.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 17, 2024 23:27:15 GMT
The team he picked was playing well and had taken control and we're facing few problems from a good team. One stupid mistake let the whole team and the crowd down! Can’t agree We didn’t threaten their goal. They had the better chances We haven’t improved at all He's made us worse. I refuse to believe this squad behaved perfectly under AN if recent events are anything to go by, but he made it work in main. The new manager appears to have gone completely on the offensive in ousting anyone whose face doesn't quite fit. I'm not saying I want players to be taking the piss out of Stoke, but 4 decent attacking options? There's cutting your nose off to spite your face and there's cutting your whole face off.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 17, 2024 23:47:30 GMT
But for Hoever we would not have lost that game. Coventry are 6th in the table and vying for a spot in the playoffs yet we were the better side overall. You can't sack the manager for that. Who picked Hoever then? If you listened to the post match interview, he wasn't supposed to be playing but Mcnally got injured at the end of training yesterday and the fitness team decided this morning that he couldn't play
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 18, 2024 7:54:16 GMT
Have I watched a different game today? I came out of there thinking it’s one of the most one sided games you’ll see, we dominated possession, yet the stats say different A one sided game isn’t one where you have one shot on target and the opposition keeper has barely broken sweat. Possessions only worth having the majority if you do something with it. Sideways / backwards passes are worthless unless they lead to creating chances. We’ve played worse but yesterday reminded me a lot of an Alex Neil performance. You can’t hang this new way of playing on one win v a very poor QPR side. It simply won’t work v 90 percent of the teams in the division. In SS’s first six games I saw a side who were high energy, looking to win and playing well. That style was getting us points. After losing to Brum (a game that we should have won and created lots of chances) things began to unravel and he seemed to lose his bottle and started chopping and changing left right and centre both tactically and in team selection, because of this the performances suffered. Mix that in with numerous disciplinary issues and apparent fall outs and we’re left with playing a kid up front who through no fault of his own is nowhere near ready for first team football. I appreciate confidence is a huge thing with players but SS needs to go back to a system that he’s comfortable with rather than one he’s not or we’ll drop and he’ll face the inevitable boot after which he’ll have plenty of regret about not sticking with tactics that he’s best at. That said he’s a small part of the problem. Ultimately he’s been left with a totally unbalanced side full of mercenary’s bought in by an incompetent transfer team and ex manager, which is why we should stick with him for the rest of the season. If there’s people at the club that need sacking Martin should be first. Right now it feels like staying up will feel like promotion which isn’t great. We’re not overly stacked with quality but we’re better than yesterdays performance.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 18, 2024 8:42:14 GMT
Who picked Hoever then? If you listened to the post match interview, he wasn't supposed to be playing but Mcnally got injured at the end of training yesterday and the fitness team decided this morning that he couldn't play Still he was replaced by Junior who should have started instead of him.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 18, 2024 9:09:53 GMT
If you listened to the post match interview, he wasn't supposed to be playing but Mcnally got injured at the end of training yesterday and the fitness team decided this morning that he couldn't play Still he was replaced by Junior who should have started instead of him. Junior had a poor game on Wednesday, Hoever a better one so how do you come to that conclusion especially as we were playing three centre backs? Junior came on when we went to a back four
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 18, 2024 9:56:27 GMT
Still he was replaced by Junior who should have started instead of him. Junior had a poor game on Wednesday, Hoever a better one so how do you come to that conclusion especially as we were playing three centre backs? Junior came on when we went to a back four Junior is a superior defender to Hoever. Hoever has proved over and over again he isn't up for it. Despite having a decent game against QPR he has cost us time after time. Junior is only 20, but already a much better defender than Hoever ever will be.
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Post by sealion100 on Feb 18, 2024 10:50:13 GMT
For what it’s worth, thought we played well yesterday … only to be undone by a mistake
However , I was surprised to see so many changes from Wednesday … was told that a lot of team selection is Data driven This seemed to be confirmed by the manager’s comments afterwards…… if so .. football really has passed me by , I prefer Keeping a settled side … thought the side that finished should have started
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Post by glpotter on Feb 18, 2024 10:52:45 GMT
So what did you make of his starting 11? Appalling chopping and changing, he’s another Mad Nath The team he picked was playing well and had taken control and we're facing few problems from a good team. One stupid mistake let the whole team and the crowd down! So why did it take him 60 mins to make positive attacking subs?
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