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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 17, 2024 18:18:56 GMT
Muddled tactics, line ups and not being pro active enough in game is how I'd describe his first few months here. I thought he'd be doing better. Mind, he's having to work with Tricky as his boss so who knows. His tactics didn't seem that muddled to me today, he had a plan which nearly worked. If it weren't for a Hoever mistake it might have. He didn't keep our players playing a style of play they couldn't do so he changed it. It's negative but at least we look more solid recently. I like our manager, he's proved he's not a one trick pony and has shown he can adapt. Given how many games he's had here I think his approach is refreshing and he isn't going to push something that doesn't work. Our problem is scoring goals and getting rid of him doesn't solve that issue. It may turn out that Ennis is the player that keeps us up which would be down to Schumacher, we will see.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Feb 17, 2024 18:19:04 GMT
Possession percentages mean nothing when losing. Championship sides always shut up shop once they’ve scored knowing that their opposition are shite. No, we out battled them for big chunks of the game. We were pushing them back and they were rattled. I think that Coventry never looked particularly flustered - they were always relatively comfortable. Second half, we were much improved but did we ever really look like scoring? In contrast, Coventry sat back and still managed to make the best chance of the half (which their winger blazed over from six yards out). I cannot fault the effort or attitude of the players today. However, there is a real lack of quality in the final third and I cannot see where the goals are going to come from at the minute.
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Post by greystokie on Feb 17, 2024 18:20:23 GMT
But for Hoever we would not have lost that game. Coventry are 6th in the table and vying for a spot in the playoffs yet we were the better side overall. You can't sack the manager for that.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Feb 17, 2024 18:20:39 GMT
Who? I don't see anyone who could do better with this absolute shambles of a squad assembled by Neil, Martin and Dublin. I’d have gone Warnock or big Sam till the summer. Maybe even hassenhutl. Can you imagine the reaction of people in this board if we had appointed Big Sam? 😅😂 There were people that genuinely expected Potter or Nuno to walk through the door.
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Post by werrington on Feb 17, 2024 18:21:05 GMT
He inherited an absolute shambles He did mate, I think we can all agree on that. But where is the manager who had us playing front foot football when he first came in? We looked a half decent team in his first few games and even took the game to teams like Watford away. Now all of a sudden we are playing mind numbingly boring, safety first football where we don't even take the game to teams like QPR and Coventry at home. I know Coventry are a decent team, but we showed 2nd half that they aren't that good. Schumacher, in my opinion, is failing miserably. I get that sacking him isn't the right move, but he has got to sort his shit out soon otherwise we could well be in even more serious shit than we are now. The manager who did that is now surrounded by cunts who are taking the piss mate …..out of you,me and every fucker on here Let’s just let the likes of Mmaee etc carry on eh
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 17, 2024 18:22:26 GMT
Who? I don't see anyone who could do better with this absolute shambles of a squad assembled by Neil, Martin and Dublin. So why change Neil then when we did if it’s inevitable There are probably a few old hand managers that could have kept us up comfortably We should have brought one of them in till the end of the season and then gone for SS He’s seriously underperforming and is being rightly criticised Neil should never have been in the job in the first place. He definitely should have been shown the door in the summer before he could wreak havoc with the chequebook. He just had to go. StS looks out of his depth I admit but Warnock or Allardyce? Nah.
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Post by glpotter on Feb 17, 2024 18:22:39 GMT
But for Hoever we would not have lost that game. Coventry are 6th in the table and vying for a spot in the playoffs yet we were the better side overall. You can't sack the manager for that. Yes let’s be greatful we only just lost and not got battered by Coventry fucking city
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Post by Squeekster on Feb 17, 2024 18:24:30 GMT
Todays loss is absolutely on him, his starting 11 was ridiculous I think he’ll take us down. Today’s Loss is on Hoever. Yes it was his sublime assist but that starting 11 beggars belief, what does SS do put 20 names in a cup and throw them out and who ever is in the circle starts?
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Post by mamathestriker on Feb 17, 2024 18:25:27 GMT
Muddled tactics, line ups and not being pro active enough in game is how I'd describe his first few months here. I thought he'd be doing better. Mind, he's having to work with Tricky as his boss so who knows. His tactics didn't seem that muddled to me today, he had a plan which nearly worked. If it weren't for a Hoever mistake it might have. He didn't keep our players playing a style of play they couldn't do so he changed it. It's negative but at least we look more solid recently. I like our manager, he's proved he's not a one trick pony and has shown he can adapt. Given how many games he's had here I think his approach is refreshing and he isn't going to push something that doesn't work. Our problem is scoring goals and getting rid of him doesn't solve that issue. It may turn out that Ennis is the player that keeps us up which would be down to Schumacher, we will see. I like him too, but I was hoping for more than we've seen at this point.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 17, 2024 18:25:47 GMT
This tactic with Lowe as the lone striker!!! Naivity or lack of competense?
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Feb 17, 2024 18:26:29 GMT
This kinda has a feeling of "Nathan Jones" about it all over again!!!
Young manager, does well with another club at a lower level.... We go head first to get him, forgetting all about championship level experience (no disrespect to Schumacher).... Ends up drawing and losing more games, even though the team are putting in some decent performances.... Then desperation kicks in, and we start to chop and change tactics and team selection by 4, 5, 6 different players a game!!!
We'll be looking for a new Michael O'Neill to rescue us again shortly!!!
When will we ever learn???
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Post by pushon on Feb 17, 2024 18:27:14 GMT
Lots of references on here to the 'Manager', yet since Neil left we haven't had one.🤔
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Post by ethers26 on Feb 17, 2024 18:28:53 GMT
Hounded the manager out that dicked these 4-0 at their place I don't get what people expect Horseshit How so?
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Post by mamathestriker on Feb 17, 2024 18:29:12 GMT
I wouldn't trust Tricky to run a bath let alone pick a replacement.
If Schumacher did go, and hopefully not, if we kept Martin and Dublin as well we deserve go down.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Feb 17, 2024 18:30:20 GMT
Just for clarity, I don’t want SS gone, that would be disastrous. But I do want him to learn his lessons, ditch the sorting hat, pick a system, and stop panicking.
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Post by moon on Feb 17, 2024 18:33:24 GMT
This tactic with Lowe as the lone striker!!! Naivity or lack of competense? It clearly didn’t work, and was very unlikely to work, so you’d have to say it was naive. Ennis is the only realistic option with both Campbell and Mmaee out of contention, but I’d still put Wesley ahead of Lowe.
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Post by peepin on Feb 17, 2024 18:35:08 GMT
It’s not going very well is it, I think that’s one thing the entire board can agree on.
We set up the game not to lose but there’s one major flaw to that, you probably won’t fucking win.
Like every other Stoke fan I want Lowe to do well but he isn’t ready yet so starting him was the wrong decision.
When our strongest team, actually no….when the players who aren’t in the bomb squad who should have started came on the pitch then we dominated. Now do I think we would have scored if we were still playing now??! Probably not.
The fucking engines have stalled and the club is free falling. Do I think Schumacher was the right appointment? No I don’t but Neil had to go, the recruitment from the top is the issue.
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Post by TinkerT on Feb 17, 2024 18:39:13 GMT
What the hell do people expect? We've just come off a 3 game week and bae burger and ennis were all carrying injuries into todays game so couldn't play the 90. Thought we played well and should have won if we had a striker who could score. The fact that they're play off material just shows you how poor this league is.
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 17, 2024 18:40:27 GMT
Too soon to sack him.
We gifted a goal again today - not SS's fault.
We started a weak team because players are not fit enough to play 3 times a week, particularly the one's recently injured, or had a knock on Wednesday, or recently brought in and not been playing regularly.
When he brought on the better players we dominated the match. Those players were fit enough for the last 30 minutes but not to start.
We lost 1-0, it happens. If we'd won we would a lot higher in the table. The division is that close. For the last 3rd of the game, we outplayed a team in a play-off place. I'll not bleat about the ref.
Most importantly he is ousting the dead beats who are not prepared to give their best efforts. Good on him. He deserves our support for managing the players and not turning a blind eye to unprofessionalism.
We have to accept that we have a poor set of defenders, who are riddled with errors. We need to get behind the forwards and urge them on to the get the goals to win. There is talent and potential in most of them that can be made to succeed.
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 17, 2024 18:40:31 GMT
This kinda has a feeling of "Nathan Jones" about it all over again!!! Young manager, does well with another club at a lower level.... We go head first to get him, forgetting all about championship level experience (no disrespect to Schumacher).... Ends up drawing and losing more games, even though the team are putting in some decent performances.... Then desperation kicks in, and we start to chop and change tactics and team selection by 4, 5, 6 different players a game!!! We'll be looking for a new Michael O'Neill to rescue us again shortly!!! When will we ever learn??? At no point under Jones did we ever look solid. With Schumacher at least we have looked fairly solid the last 2 games. He definitely has more about him than Jones. Jones had his own players too. On the back of a busy Christmas and playing 3 matches in a week it's no surprise he has to make changes. This is the Championship not the Premier League where they play once a week.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 17, 2024 18:42:34 GMT
Whichever Div we are in next season,Shu needs to build his own squad.
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Post by telfordstokie on Feb 17, 2024 18:43:44 GMT
Almost like there was nine months of utter shit between us winning that game and Neil getting the sack or something. Better now is it? Fair to say there’s an open question on whether Schumacher was the right man to replace him - but no question at all that Neil deserved to go.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2024 18:44:56 GMT
But for Hoever we would not have lost that game. Coventry are 6th in the table and vying for a spot in the playoffs yet we were the better side overall. You can't sack the manager for that. Who continues to pick him?
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 17, 2024 18:47:42 GMT
But for Hoever we would not have lost that game. Coventry are 6th in the table and vying for a spot in the playoffs yet we were the better side overall. You can't sack the manager for that. Who picked Hoever then?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2024 18:49:15 GMT
Too soon to sack him. We gifted a goal again today - not SS's fault. We started a weak team because players are not fit enough to play 3 times a week, particularly the one's recently injured, or had a knock on Wednesday, or recently brought in and not been playing regularly. When he brought on the better players we dominated the match. Those players were fit enough for the last 30 minutes but not to start. We lost 1-0, it happens. If we'd won we would a lot higher in the table. The division is that close. For the last 3rd of the game, we outplayed a team in a play-off place. I'll not bleat about the ref. Most importantly he is ousting the dead beats who are not prepared to give their best efforts. Good on him. He deserves our support for managing the players and not turning a blind eye to unprofessionalism. We have to accept that we have a poor set of defenders, who are riddled with errors. We need to get behind the forwards and urge them on to the get the goals to win. There is talent and potential in most of them that can be made to succeed. SS selects the guy who’s constantly making mistakes. SS decided to rest key players when in a relegation battle. SS continues to play Cundle who’s shown nothing since being here. We created nothing apart from a few pot shots, they hit the post, scored and missed a sitter from 6 yards. The league is full of mediocre teams and Coventry are one of them.
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Post by generationex on Feb 17, 2024 18:52:58 GMT
Whichever Div we are in next season,Shu needs to build his own squad. We’ll need to get rid of the new system then and make him a manager not a coach. There’s 14 players at the club that were not signed by our last manager. We need to sack whoever recruited them and plan for the next window now.
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Post by moon on Feb 17, 2024 19:12:42 GMT
Whichever Div we are in next season,Shu needs to build his own squad. We’ll need to get rid of the new system then and make him a manager not a coach. There’s 14 players at the club that were not signed by our last manager. We need to sack whoever recruited them and plan for the next window now. It’s not just about the recruitment in the summer, you can’t expect to change an entire team in one window, it’s asking for trouble, I remember Sunderland doing something similar under mad Paolo back in their Premier League days. The fact we had to change so many players in one window shows how bad it’s been over the years, the constant churn and very few players actually survive more than 3 or 4 years here. We need to build a core and just change a handful of players each window, a rebuild, new manager, and a new recruitment team putting their own stamp on things is just repeating the cycle we’ve seen since Rowett got the job - yet we’ve got less money to spend every time, and we’re looking (and going) downwards instead of up.
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Post by a on Feb 17, 2024 19:15:48 GMT
I don’t blame the manager, I blame those who oversaw 9th three times in the PL to probably relegation to league 1.
Sack them. Schumacher I said at the time wasn’t experienced enough but I like the guy, he’s just lacking the ability to dig this clown show out of the shit.
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Post by generationex on Feb 17, 2024 19:20:08 GMT
That’s the disappointing thing: we waited years for a ‘clean sheet’, finally got one, then got it horribly wrong.
We had to get recruitment 60-70% right this time, which is a great success rate.
Instead it’s maybe 15%?
There was nothing in Jared’s CV that suggested he could do better.
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Post by pieofpeter on Feb 17, 2024 19:22:27 GMT
What the hell do people expect? We've just come off a 3 game week and bae burger and ennis were all carrying injuries into todays game so couldn't play the 90. Thought we played well and should have won if we had a striker who could score. The fact that they're play off material just shows you how poor this league is. Thank christ some common sense which lacks on this board at times.
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