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Post by mamathestriker on Feb 17, 2024 17:55:46 GMT
Muddled tactics, line ups and not being pro active enough in game is how I'd describe his first few months here.
I thought he'd be doing better.
Mind, he's having to work with Tricky as his boss so who knows.
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Post by vidigoals on Feb 17, 2024 17:55:47 GMT
“I’m excited by his appointment. Be good to get behind him” You’ve given him 2 months? Can you please change your name to 'vidinotmanygoals'? Thanks. I think you give people a chance until you call their bluff. We attacked teams then started to lose 4-0 odd. Then he shat it instead of finding a way to fix it, so instead we now loose 2-0 and 1-0. 3 wins in what 13? 23% win ratio. Can you see him turning this around? I really hope he can. Even if he does (not dies, tho he could do of stress let's be honest) the club's is in such a fucking state You simply can’t give anybody 2 months - especially with this squad. Do we sack him & then what happens when we’re in the same position in 2 months time? I’d love a name change though
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Post by Roger Everyone on Feb 17, 2024 17:57:40 GMT
You will get lucky one day mate 😉
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Post by glpotter on Feb 17, 2024 17:58:03 GMT
You will get lucky one day mate 😉 Brilliant
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Post by thornestein on Feb 17, 2024 17:58:27 GMT
I fuckin despise Stoke fans at times I’m sure many would despise you too, swings and roundabouts and all that. best comment of the day
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Post by wakeypotter on Feb 17, 2024 17:59:00 GMT
5 defeats out of 6 might answer that With the same shit squad, maybe it's not down to him. So what you’re saying is how ever took over would have taken us down. We shouldn’t have got rid of neil then
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Post by robstokie on Feb 17, 2024 17:59:08 GMT
Tricky and Dublin I wholeheartedly agree - somehow contrived to lumber us, along with the slap-head scottish guardiola, with a squad of even bigger losers, mercenaries and cowards than we've had before, which is some achievement.
As for Schumi - I think we do have to stick - we lost today thanks to some absolutely brain dead thinking by Hoever (who should also be fucked off as soon as humanely possible) and whilst you can argue about the team selection, the shape and the fact that the subs were reactionary, you could at least see that the players out there were playing for him and we were reasonably comfortable, and would have got ourselves a hard earned point but for the Dingles secret agent. Changing again now would have no guarantee of us staying up, or indeed any improvement at all.
Honestly now I think that we have to win the 4 games against teams around us - Huddersfield, Sheffield Wednesday, Swansea and Plymouth, try and scrape a few points out of the other games and hope that those below us don't suddenly go on a 3/4 match winning streak to put us under even more pressure. I've got a feeling this will go down to the wire...
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Post by sportsman on Feb 17, 2024 18:01:53 GMT
We had 30% to 60% possession at end of first half, when he made changes we jumped to 48% to 52% but they closed shop and we had players who should have started. Especially Junho. Possession percentages mean nothing when losing. Championship sides always shut up shop once they’ve scored knowing that their opposition are shite. No, we out battled them for big chunks of the game. We were pushing them back and they were rattled.
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Post by thornestein on Feb 17, 2024 18:02:50 GMT
Possession percentages mean nothing when losing. Championship sides always shut up shop once they’ve scored knowing that their opposition are shite. No, we out battled them for big chunks of the game. We were pushing them back and they were rattled. really ?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 17, 2024 18:03:30 GMT
With the same shit squad, maybe it's not down to him. So what you’re saying is how ever took over would have taken us down. We shouldn’t have got rid of neil then Maybe, but Neil had a sizable hand in the current squad. And we aren't down yet.
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 17, 2024 18:03:52 GMT
The fact we were better when they came on was probably the point. Thy weren't fit enough to do the full 90 so we played tight with the view to go and win the game later on where they could have more joy against tiring players. It didn't work this time but it was a perfectly acceptable strategy and might have worked if it weren't for Hoever's cock up. Completely agree with you that was the plan. However, these are professional athletes, if they aren’t fit enough then they shouldn’t be on the bench. If he had to attempt that strategy then he had to switch it so we played our best 11 first half, fast start, snatch a goal and then sub 2nd half to defend. The way he approached it was way too risky - chasing a game when we can’t score. Yes but by doing that you have tied up your subs because you know who's coming off already. What if you have injuries throughout the game in other positions? Then you could be forced to keep them on and risk them getting injured too. It makes no sense to field players that don't have 90 minutes in them.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 17, 2024 18:04:01 GMT
Everything is on 4 people, one of which is no longer at the club.
2 out of 3 left need to leave tonight and the other needs to wake the fuck up and employ proper football people.
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Post by dirtclod on Feb 17, 2024 18:05:10 GMT
Until Hoever's "gem" we looked OK. See that Million had a go, at least it hit net, just the wrong side. This not scoring funk needs to pass, we're running out of games.
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Post by wakeypotter on Feb 17, 2024 18:05:16 GMT
So what you’re saying is how ever took over would have taken us down. We shouldn’t have got rid of neil then Maybe, but Neil had a sizable hand in the current squad. And we aren't down yet. No we are not yet but unless something changes ie score goals it’s only going one way I’m afraid
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Post by werrington on Feb 17, 2024 18:06:15 GMT
Fuck me we can’t just keep sacking managers
There’s an underlying problem and thankfully this managers is tackling it ( just like you’ve all been fucking craving for years now )
Give him a chance ffs
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 17, 2024 18:06:55 GMT
Maybe, but Neil had a sizable hand in the current squad. And we aren't down yet. No we are not yet but unless something changes ie score goals it’s only going one way I’m afraid I don't disagree but today wasn't as bad as some seem to be making out, enjoyable not really, but it could be enough if we nick a few and unfortunately that's where we are at the min.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 17, 2024 18:07:23 GMT
Sorry but this isn't what Schumacher was bought in to achieve. I appreciate it may now be a needs must type approach and it's evident certain players are gone, but, when you put it in black and white it's a million miles away from what we should be getting and what was promised.
It again looks like another appointment that's not working out. We were fine today and I liked aspects of the game, but we are worse off now than when he took over. It's really, really not good enough and he's fallen out with 4 attacking options.
Really don't know what to make of it all to be honest. He might have been dealt a shit hand, but he's not helped the situation as far as I can tell.
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Post by werrington on Feb 17, 2024 18:08:08 GMT
He inherited an absolute shambles
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Post by scfcno1fan on Feb 17, 2024 18:08:18 GMT
Sorry but this isn't Schumacher was bought in to achieve. I appreciate it may now be a needs must type approach and it's evident certain players are gone, but, when you put it in black and white it's a million miles away from what we should be getting and what was promised. It again looks like another appointment that's not working out. We were fine today and I liked aspects of the game, but we are worse off now than when he took over. It's really, really not good enough and he's fallen out with 4 attacking options. Really don't know what to make of it all to be honest. He might have been dealt a shit hand, but he's not helped the situation as far as I can tell. I agree with the first sentence. We needed someone to keep us up. Then get a Schumacher in the summer.
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Post by thornestein on Feb 17, 2024 18:09:50 GMT
Fuck me we can’t just keep sacking mangers There’s an underlying problem and thankfully this managers is tackling it ( just like you’ve all been fucking craving for years now ) Give him a chance ffs i never understand this a an excuse , if someone is shite at his job you don’t keep employing them hoping for the best ( and i’m not in the SS out camp yet ) , it doesn’t matter to me if you have employ a 100 managers to get the right one , but you don’t keep hold because it’s become an habit
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Post by thornestein on Feb 17, 2024 18:10:45 GMT
He inherited an absolute shambles the one we rebuilt in the summer , it’s the same excuse for every manager
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 17, 2024 18:11:55 GMT
Fuck me we can’t just keep sacking managers There’s an underlying problem and thankfully this managers is tackling it ( just like you’ve all been fucking craving for years now ) Give him a chance ffs I think his first priority should to have been to stabilise us and ensure we were safe like MON did. He might be doing a brilliant job at weeding out the tossers behind the scenes but that could have waited till we were safe. On the playing front he’s currently all over the place with baffling team selections. He can’t continue with this PPG total or we will go down, any criticism he’s getting is fair for me given how we have imploded
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 17, 2024 18:12:28 GMT
Sorry but this isn't Schumacher was bought in to achieve. I appreciate it may now be a needs must type approach and it's evident certain players are gone, but, when you put it in black and white it's a million miles away from what we should be getting and what was promised. It again looks like another appointment that's not working out. We were fine today and I liked aspects of the game, but we are worse off now than when he took over. It's really, really not good enough and he's fallen out with 4 attacking options. Really don't know what to make of it all to be honest. He might have been dealt a shit hand, but he's not helped the situation as far as I can tell. I agree with the first sentence. We needed someone to keep us up. Then get a Schumacher in the summer. Who? I don't see anyone who could do better with this absolute shambles of a squad assembled by Neil, Martin and Dublin.
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Post by dirtclod on Feb 17, 2024 18:13:54 GMT
Fuck me we can’t just keep sacking mangers There’s an underlying problem and thankfully this managers is tackling it ( just like you’ve all been fucking craving for years now ) Give him a chance ffs Totally agree, we're not Watford - can no longer attract that many top candidates to be firing somebody every 5 minutes. And just what exactly would somebody new have TIME to change? Come in and change the entire system yet again to no avail because you're dealing with somebody else's players. By the time you fart away 3 weeks just meeting and evaluating players... not enough games left. (And likely to lose those games during those 3 weeks) We looked better than them for several spells today, mistakes on defense and we just don't put away chances. On pitch, it's the same malady we've suffered with since relegation. Off pitch, I'm now suspecting a voodoo-curse.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Feb 17, 2024 18:15:04 GMT
I agree with the first sentence. We needed someone to keep us up. Then get a Schumacher in the summer. Who? I don't see anyone who could do better with this absolute shambles of a squad assembled by Neil, Martin and Dublin. I’d have gone Warnock or big Sam till the summer. Maybe even hassenhutl.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 17, 2024 18:15:21 GMT
I agree with the first sentence. We needed someone to keep us up. Then get a Schumacher in the summer. Who? I don't see anyone who could do better with this absolute shambles of a squad assembled by Neil, Martin and Dublin. So why change Neil then when we did if it’s inevitable There are probably a few old hand managers that could have kept us up comfortably We should have brought one of them in till the end of the season and then gone for SS He’s seriously underperforming and is being rightly criticised
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 17, 2024 18:15:44 GMT
I agree with the first sentence. We needed someone to keep us up. Then get a Schumacher in the summer. Who? I don't see anyone who could do better with this absolute shambles of a squad assembled by Neil, Martin and Dublin. Neil was crap but I never feared relegation. Under Schumacher it's looking more and more likely.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2024 18:17:07 GMT
He inherited an absolute shambles He did mate, I think we can all agree on that. But where is the manager who had us playing front foot football when he first came in? We looked a half decent team in his first few games and even took the game to teams like Watford away. Now all of a sudden we are playing mind numbingly boring, safety first football where we don't even take the game to teams like QPR and Coventry at home. I know Coventry are a decent team, but we showed 2nd half that they aren't that good. Schumacher, in my opinion, is failing miserably. I get that sacking him isn't the right move, but he has got to sort his shit out soon otherwise we could well be in even more serious shit than we are now.
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 17, 2024 18:17:30 GMT
Fuck me we can’t just keep sacking mangers There’s an underlying problem and thankfully this managers is tackling it ( just like you’ve all been fucking craving for years now ) Give him a chance ffs Totally agree, we're not Watford - can no longer attract that many top candidates to be firing somebody every 5 minutes. And just what exactly would somebody new have TIME to change? Come in and change the entire system yet again to no avail because you're dealing with somebody else's players. By the time you fart away 3 weeks just meeting and evaluating players... not enough games left. (And likely to lose those games during those 3 weeks) We looked better than them for several spells today, mistakes on defense and we just don't put away chances. On pitch, it's the same malady we've suffered with since relegation. Off pitch, I'm now suspecting a voodoo-curse. Shit recruitment isn't a voodoo curse. The players signed just aren't very good. I can't fathom who thought this experiment would work. We all know who is to blame, and hopefully they won't be at the club for the next window. We will be fucked if they are.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Feb 17, 2024 18:17:54 GMT
Possession percentages mean nothing when losing. Championship sides always shut up shop once they’ve scored knowing that their opposition are shite. No, we out battled them for big chunks of the game. We were pushing them back and they were rattled. We were pushing them back after we made the subs but they didn't look rattled, they looked comfortable and totally happy soaking up the pressure. They easily dealt with pretty much everything we threw at them.
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