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Post by jwhpotter on Feb 15, 2024 9:22:19 GMT
Much better playing as a CB in my opinion. Defensively didn’t really put a foot wrong last night. Won his fair share of headers as well
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Post by femark on Feb 15, 2024 9:24:16 GMT
Much better playing as a CB in my opinion. Defensively didn’t really put a foot wrong last night. Won his fair share of headers as well He still got caught out in a few one on ones but luckily they didn't punish it. Whenever I watch him play I always think he's going to switch off and do something stupid. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 15, 2024 9:31:35 GMT
I agree, bizarrely he always seems to play better at left back compared to right back as well I don't know if it's because he concentrates more as it's not his natural position?
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 15, 2024 9:32:31 GMT
Much better playing as a CB in my opinion. Defensively didn’t really put a foot wrong last night. Won his fair share of headers as well He still got caught out in a few one on ones but luckily they didn't punish it. Whenever I watch him play I always think he's going to switch off and do something stupid. He plays like he's got some sort of attention span disorder. It definitely suits him best as a RCB in a 3 though. |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Feb 15, 2024 9:32:57 GMT
If I was to have one small gripe from last night it was that I felt we had Junior and Hoever the wrong way round.
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 15, 2024 9:52:32 GMT
If I was to have one small gripe from last night it was that I felt we had Junior and Hoever the wrong way round. I thought so too. Hoever did play well last night, but I think he has the more natural attacking instincts, while Junior is a more solid defender. SS may prefer to play Hoever in a role where he’s forced to concentrate more and where he is in constant communication with his teammates, as he is at CB, rather than the relatively isolated wing back position. Hoever has the physical attributes to play in higher league. Concentration is his key flaw. Last night’s plan may have been SS’s way of getting round that flaw. Junior’s enthusiasm can certainly be given full rein in midfield but I think his future is at FB. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 15, 2024 9:56:42 GMT
Much better playing as a CB in my opinion. Defensively didn’t really put a foot wrong last night. Won his fair share of headers as well His best game in a long time defensively, but still a lot of strange decisions with the ball at his feet. His big problem as a fullback is the first couple of yards where he is way too slow, but over a longer distance he is quite rapid.  |
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Post by shakermaker on Feb 15, 2024 10:07:33 GMT
He still got caught out in a few one on ones but luckily they didn't punish it. Whenever I watch him play I always think he's going to switch off and do something stupid. He plays like he's got some sort of attention span disorder. It definitely suits him best as a RCB in a 3 though. I think so too. I’m pretty sure RCB is his natural position. For whatever reason though, he’s ended up playing a lot at full and wing back at this and previous clubs. We need to stick with three at the back now and allow Hoever to stay settled in that position for the small time left that he’s here. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 15, 2024 10:12:59 GMT
Such an odd player. Last season he looked like a proper wing back, you knew he wasn't good defensively but in an attacking sense he was often our best player. Now this season, he looks absolutely rubbish going forwards, terrible at wing back, but quite solid as a third CB. That's the third or fourth time he's played there and played well.
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Post by shrewspotter on Feb 15, 2024 10:16:39 GMT
agree with the OP, perhaps he HAS to concerntrate a bit more and cannot go walkabouts
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Post by tuum on Feb 15, 2024 10:17:31 GMT
I noticed both Hoever and Junior switched off a couple of times when supposedly working together to close down men and/or space. Both of them are a pair of magpies, attracted to shiny things.
I think Juniors lack of game time in AFCON is responsible for his last 2 appearances. Both will be ok I just wish they would look around a bit more when defending instead of staring at the shiny thing.
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Post by stokefanone on Feb 15, 2024 10:30:41 GMT
The lads a good footballer but has an awful concentration problem. As a defender you cannot lose your discipline or you get fucked, as happens to him a couple of times a game, in the centre I think he would have the same issue.
For that reason he is a liability.
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Post by idle on Feb 15, 2024 10:38:42 GMT
RCB suits him fine I think. He's reasonably strong, and quite quick, but lacks the anticipation to not be caught out of position when playing as a fullback. I think he's be alright as a wingback too, if only to see the shots he graced us with last season.
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Post by lordb on Feb 15, 2024 12:05:28 GMT
He is better as one of the 3 as he is more Positionally disciplined
Still think he should play as an attacking player and not in defence at all
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 15, 2024 12:10:04 GMT
I don’t think Hoever is very good anywhere he plays to be honest. He wasn’t that bad yesterday but going from shite to not that bad isn’t a glowing recommendation.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 15, 2024 12:39:46 GMT
I thought 1st half he was poor and very nervous on the ball with Schumacher going apeshit at him on a few occasions but I thought 2nd half he improved a lot
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Post by march4 on Feb 15, 2024 12:41:25 GMT
I thought he played well.
Much, much better than Wilmot.
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Post by Robo10 on Feb 15, 2024 12:43:01 GMT
While yes he does look better as a CH, his passing is shambolic for somebody that is at this level, often trying a clever/Hollywood pass rather than the simple ball down the line to his winger.
Partner that with some dreadful positioning where he makes it really easy for a winger to get beyond him (as he steps up to try and intercept, not very well) its not a good mix.
Is a footballer in there, but I dont think he is the sharpest tool in the box. It probably impacts whoever plays in front of him also whether thats Junior (poor last night), Leris, Videgal, Habsanovic, Campbell, Millions etc - he is often in their space too!
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Post by idle on Feb 15, 2024 13:30:13 GMT
While yes he does look better as a CH, his passing is shambolic for somebody that is at this level, often trying a clever/Hollywood pass rather than the simple ball down the line to his winger. Partner that with some dreadful positioning where he makes it really easy for a winger to get beyond him (as he steps up to try and intercept, not very well) its not a good mix. Is a footballer in there, but I dont think he is the sharpest tool in the box. It probably impacts whoever plays in front of him also whether thats Junior (poor last night), Leris, Videgal, Habsanovic, Campbell, Millions etc - he is often in their space too! TBF the amount of times his passes to Junior only for Junior to give the ball away did my head in... |
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Post by wearepremierleague on Feb 15, 2024 13:31:37 GMT
While yes he does look better as a CH, his passing is shambolic for somebody that is at this level, often trying a clever/Hollywood pass rather than the simple ball down the line to his winger. Partner that with some dreadful positioning where he makes it really easy for a winger to get beyond him (as he steps up to try and intercept, not very well) its not a good mix. Is a footballer in there, but I dont think he is the sharpest tool in the box. It probably impacts whoever plays in front of him also whether thats Junior (poor last night), Leris, Videgal, Habsanovic, Campbell, Millions etc - he is often in their space too! TBF the amount of times his passes to Junior only for Junior to give the ball away did my head in... Junior is absolutely massively overrated by Stoke fans. |
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Post by jeycov on Feb 15, 2024 13:34:11 GMT
We need some consistency re personnel as well as playing in the same positions
Predicting when players move into space needs working on
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Post by idle on Feb 15, 2024 13:37:17 GMT
TBF the amount of times his passes to Junior only for Junior to give the ball away did my head in... Junior is absolutely massively overrated by Stoke fans. We'll see. He's still young and learning. He does bring a physicality in defence we're lacking. But he was better before AFCON, so maybe it's a confidence thing. |
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Post by franklin on Feb 15, 2024 13:40:25 GMT
I thought he was terrible last night, gave the ball away and didn't cover so many times not sure where he was supposed to be playing if im honest.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 15, 2024 14:14:29 GMT
He was still dreadful. He’d get lost in a telephone box. I don’t know how he does it.
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Feb 15, 2024 14:15:42 GMT
I don’t think Hoever is very good anywhere he plays to be honest. He wasn’t that bad yesterday but going from shite to not that bad isn’t a glowing recommendation. I agree. He gave the ball away countless times last night. Often just smashing the ball into the middle of the pitch. He defended fine in the end but I have no confidence in him. |
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Post by cheadlestokie on Feb 15, 2024 14:21:17 GMT
Junior has all the makings of a very good full back. He just needs to be allowed to learn the position. His over enthusiasm sometimes gets the better of him at the moment.
Hoever is a good footballer but defensively remains naive. I agree his concentration is very erratic.
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Post by baconburger on Feb 15, 2024 15:36:13 GMT
TBF the amount of times his passes to Junior only for Junior to give the ball away did my head in... Junior is absolutely massively overrated by Stoke fans. They’re always massively overrated when they’re not playing. |
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Post by lordb on Feb 15, 2024 17:25:42 GMT
I thought he played well. Much, much better than Wilmot. Wilmot didn't play |
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Post by march4 on Feb 15, 2024 18:53:55 GMT
I thought he played well. Much, much better than Wilmot. Wilmot didn't play Sorry, that is what I meant. |
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Post by lordb on Feb 15, 2024 18:54:43 GMT
Sorry, that is what I meant. You've confused me😵💫 |
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