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Post by liathroid on Feb 17, 2024 19:06:21 GMT
he cant defend and for some reason he has lost all of his attacking abilities
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Post by spoton on Feb 17, 2024 19:15:03 GMT
3 games in a week, injuries and paper thin squad due to terrible recruitment with quite a few with the wrong attitude/not up for the fight. He did fine first half and at least he tried his best. He shouldn’t be playing period. No one who understands football can actually have watched him for the last 12 months and actually want him playing. Totally agree, after the first six games I said then he's not a footballer
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Post by Squeekster on Feb 17, 2024 19:20:02 GMT
Fuck him off. Every game it’s only a matter of time before he fucks up and nearly/does cost us the game. Yes today a great assist!
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Post by idle on Feb 17, 2024 19:39:46 GMT
3 games in a week, injuries and paper thin squad due to terrible recruitment with quite a few with the wrong attitude/not up for the fight. He did fine first half and at least he tried his best. He shouldn’t be playing period. No one who understands football can actually have watched him for the last 12 months and actually want him playing. The problem is, who do we play then? McNally is shit, Rose is shite, Wilmot is a calamity and Clark whatever the fuck he's doing. It's looking mighty thin then. If we're playing 3 at the back (which we need to) Hoever, McNally and Rose are the best ones, horrifying as it may sound until next season. Maybe, just maybe, these are the CBs we have for a reason - that we're a shit championship team who can't attract anyone better. "I never wanna se him play for Stoke again" is utter lunacy. Are we going to play a 17 year old then? Or as some idiot on here spouted "Burger should play there". These are the ones we have, better pick the ones with fewest errors in them.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 17, 2024 19:41:31 GMT
He shouldn’t be playing period. No one who understands football can actually have watched him for the last 12 months and actually want him playing. The problem is, who do we play then? McNally is shit, Rose is shite, Wilmot is a calamity and Clark whatever the fuck he's doing. It's looking mighty thin then. If we're playing 3 at the back (which we need to) Hoever, McNally and Rose are the best ones, horrifying as it may sound until next season. Maybe, just maybe, these are the CBs we have for a reason - that we're a shit championship team who can't attract anyone better. "I never wanna se him play for Stoke again" is utter lunacy. Are we going to play a 17 year old then? Or as some idiot on here spouted "Burger should play there". These are the ones we have, better pick the ones with fewest errors in them. We shouldn’t be playing 3 at the back. Have people been watching for the last 7 years? Hoever is the worst defender at the club by some distance. Anyone that wants him playing isn’t serious.
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Post by idle on Feb 17, 2024 19:43:29 GMT
The problem is, who do we play then? McNally is shit, Rose is shite, Wilmot is a calamity and Clark whatever the fuck he's doing. It's looking mighty thin then. If we're playing 3 at the back (which we need to) Hoever, McNally and Rose are the best ones, horrifying as it may sound until next season. Maybe, just maybe, these are the CBs we have for a reason - that we're a shit championship team who can't attract anyone better. "I never wanna se him play for Stoke again" is utter lunacy. Are we going to play a 17 year old then? Or as some idiot on here spouted "Burger should play there". These are the ones we have, better pick the ones with fewest errors in them. We shouldn’t be playing 3 at the back. Have people been watching for the last 7 years? Hoever is the worst defender at the club by some distance. Anyone that wants him playing isn’t serious. But when we played with 2 at the back we shipped 11 in 3 games. We can't play with two at the back and attack without a holding midfielder. Fuck it, maybe we should go 100% Pulis and play 4 CBs at the back!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 17, 2024 19:44:26 GMT
We shouldn’t be playing 3 at the back. Have people been watching for the last 7 years? Hoever is the worst defender at the club by some distance. Anyone that wants him playing isn’t serious. But when we played with 2 at the back we shipped 11 in 3 games. We can't play with two at the back and attack without a holding midfielder. Fuck it, maybe we should go 100% Pulis and play 4 CBs at the back! So you’ve crapped yourself like the coward of a manager then. We deserve everything we get with such attitudes.
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Post by idle on Feb 17, 2024 19:49:28 GMT
But when we played with 2 at the back we shipped 11 in 3 games. We can't play with two at the back and attack without a holding midfielder. Fuck it, maybe we should go 100% Pulis and play 4 CBs at the back! So you’ve crapped yourself like the coward of a manager then. We deserve everything we get with such attitudes. I'd rather try and survive with defensive tactics than go down shipping 3 goals every game, that's correct. Why do you want to attack? NONE of our forwards score more than a pittance. We've scored 8 in 13 league games under SS, or 7 in 11 playing gung ho tactics. It's not working. I'd love us to play attacking football, but I've lost faith in our midfield and forwards. Even Baker can't hit the target anymore.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 17, 2024 19:51:30 GMT
But when we played with 2 at the back we shipped 11 in 3 games. We can't play with two at the back and attack without a holding midfielder. Fuck it, maybe we should go 100% Pulis and play 4 CBs at the back! So you’ve crapped yourself like the coward of a manager then. We deserve everything we get with such attitudes. 3 at the back suits the team far more than a back four. We play more attacking football with a back three. Our lack of attack today wasn’t because of the formation, it was because the manager decided to set up for a 0-0.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 17, 2024 19:51:36 GMT
So you’ve crapped yourself like the coward of a manager then. We deserve everything we get with such attitudes. I'd rather try and survive with defensive tactics than go down shipping 3 goals every game, that's correct. Why do you want to attack? NONE of our forwards score more than a pittance. We've scored 8 in 13 league games under SS, or 7 in 11 playing gung ho tactics. It's not working. I'd love us to play attacking football, but I've lost faith in our midfield and forwards. Even Baker can't hit the target anymore. Yeah losing 1-0 at home without trying to win is great. He’s gone against what he said he was going to do and what he was doing and was much better than this.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 17, 2024 19:51:53 GMT
So you’ve crapped yourself like the coward of a manager then. We deserve everything we get with such attitudes. 3 at the back suits the team far more than a back four. We play more attacking football with a back three. Our lack of attack today wasn’t because of the formation, it was because the manager decided to set up for a 0-0. It doesn’t.
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Post by idle on Feb 17, 2024 20:02:38 GMT
I'd rather try and survive with defensive tactics than go down shipping 3 goals every game, that's correct. Why do you want to attack? NONE of our forwards score more than a pittance. We've scored 8 in 13 league games under SS, or 7 in 11 playing gung ho tactics. It's not working. I'd love us to play attacking football, but I've lost faith in our midfield and forwards. Even Baker can't hit the target anymore. Yeah losing 1-0 at home without trying to win is great. He’s gone against what he said he was going to do and what he was doing and was much better than this. Didn't see the game, huh? "was doing much better than this". 7 goals in 11 games. Hurray, what spectacle those games were!
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Post by swinny on Feb 17, 2024 20:04:53 GMT
At best he was alright last season. This season he's been fucking diabolical.
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Post by a on Feb 17, 2024 20:08:29 GMT
Trying too hard without doing the basics right. Approximately 5,009 Stoke players on loan have gone on to do better elsewhere but I am now thinking he won’t be 5,010…
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Feb 17, 2024 20:21:32 GMT
Fuck him off. Every game it’s only a matter of time before he fucks up and nearly/does cost us the game. We see this kind of post after every game, a defender makes a mistake - he should never play for us again, someone gets sent off - he should never play for us again, a striker misses a chance - same thing. Players are human, they make mistakes, we wouldn’t be able to field 11 players if we take that approach. They need to learn from their mistakes. If we genuinely have an alternative then don’t play him in the starting 11, but we’re in a dire state at the back, there are mistakes in all of the defenders. I agree but I'm fucking sick of waiting for this prick to learn from his mistakes. He's the dumbest footballer I've seen for years (and there have been a lot). At some point someone at the club needs to decide that he's proven his abilities or lack of.
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 17, 2024 20:24:38 GMT
Up to his catastrophic brain fart, I thought he did well today.
Sadly he makes at least one massive fuck up per game.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Feb 17, 2024 20:30:05 GMT
Up to his catastrophic brain fart, I thought he did well today. Sadly he makes at least one massive fuck up per game. Cost us for sure today mate. The old 'down the line son!' was made for that scenario today, sadly he chose to cut inside.
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 17, 2024 20:33:29 GMT
Up to his catastrophic brain fart, I thought he did well today. Sadly he makes at least one massive fuck up per game. Cost us for sure today mate. The old 'down the line son!' was made for that scenario today, sadly he chose to cut inside. Onto his bad foot too. Not sure if it’s cause he has time to think or if he’s just unable to think.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 17, 2024 20:33:36 GMT
Yeah losing 1-0 at home without trying to win is great. He’s gone against what he said he was going to do and what he was doing and was much better than this. Didn't see the game, huh? "was doing much better than this". 7 goals in 11 games. Hurray, what spectacle those games were! We set up defensively against Leicester. We should have lost 8-0. It’s a cowardly approach.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Feb 17, 2024 20:38:38 GMT
Cost us for sure today mate. The old 'down the line son!' was made for that scenario today, sadly he chose to cut inside. Onto his bad foot too. Not sure if it’s cause he has time to think or if he’s just unable to think. He made the wrong choice today and it has cost us. I'm sure he knows that and as a professional and I'm sure he's pissed off which doesn't really help our situation but what can we do.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 17, 2024 20:41:41 GMT
He does it every game in the same fucking position though.
As soon as he got the ball there I said “this should be fun” 3 seconds later they scored.
He doesn’t learn. He’s thick. And he can’t defend or pass.
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Post by idle on Feb 17, 2024 20:51:22 GMT
Didn't see the game, huh? "was doing much better than this". 7 goals in 11 games. Hurray, what spectacle those games were! We set up defensively against Leicester. We should have lost 8-0. It’s a cowardly approach. Should've? I'm not one for discussing hypotheticals. No really productive, as all you do is shove your opinion onto what really happened to make it sound worse. Really pathetic argument. I hate losing 1-3 even more than 0-1, but that's just me. Tell me then genious, who are these magical goalscorers we should play that waltzes over top 6 teams every Saturday and twice on Tuesdays? We're in a relegation battle. Trying to attack when it's clear as day it isn't working is madness. It's the perfect recipe for going down. But hey, it's more important to not be what bayern says is cowardly. SS clearly isn't perfect, but he's not wrong on this one. His team selection on the other hand was shite. That's what killed us today. I also see a team that has more fighting spirit than in years. They're not very good footballers, but the are trying their best. Unlike most of the players we've signed over the last 8-10 years. That's of course excluding the lazy ass fuckers Vidigal, Mmaee, Campbell and Haksabanovic.
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Post by idle on Feb 17, 2024 20:52:17 GMT
He does it every game in the same fucking position though. As soon as he got the ball there I said “this should be fun” 3 seconds later they scored. He doesn’t learn. He’s thick. And he can’t defend or pass. You still haven't answered who should be playing instead of him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 17, 2024 20:52:51 GMT
We set up defensively against Leicester. We should have lost 8-0. It’s a cowardly approach. Should've? I'm not one for discussing hypotheticals. No really productive, as all you do is shove your opinion onto what really happened to make it sound worse. Really pathetic argument. I hate losing 1-3 even more than 0-1, but that's just me. Tell me then genious, who are these magical goalscorers we should play that waltzes over top 6 teams every Saturday and twice on Tuesdays? We're in a relegation battle. Trying to attack when it's clear as day it isn't working is madness. It's the perfect recipe for going down. But hey, it's more important to not be what bayern says is cowardly. SS clearly isn't perfect, but he's not wrong on this one. His team selection on the other hand was shite. That's what killed us today. I also see a team that has more fighting spirit than in years. They're not very good footballers, but the are trying their best. Unlike most of the players we've signed over the last 8-10 years. That's of course excluding the lazy ass fuckers Vidigal, Mmaee, Campbell and Haksabanovic. Yeah it was only 5. Great. He’s fallen into the same trap as the morons before. Go to a back 3 and die on that hill that failed for them. It’s predictable and doesn’t work. He should be sacked tomorrow. Along with Martin. Along with John Coates.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 17, 2024 20:53:05 GMT
He does it every game in the same fucking position though. As soon as he got the ball there I said “this should be fun” 3 seconds later they scored. He doesn’t learn. He’s thick. And he can’t defend or pass. You still haven't answered who should be playing instead of him. Junior
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Post by idle on Feb 17, 2024 20:54:16 GMT
You still haven't answered who should be playing instead of him. Junior The same Junior who gave the ball away a million times against QPR? And now in a more dangerous area when doing so?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 17, 2024 20:55:41 GMT
The same Junior who gave the ball away a million times against QPR? And now in a more dangerous area when doing so? If you can’t see Junior is so much better then there’s no hope.
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Post by idle on Feb 17, 2024 20:59:22 GMT
The same Junior who gave the ball away a million times against QPR? And now in a more dangerous area when doing so? If you can’t see Junior is so much better then there’s no hope. Great argument dude. As usual.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 17, 2024 21:03:49 GMT
It’s all gone wrong for him this season.
When he was at his best Brown was coming inside and creating space for Hoever to attack and he was given licence to roam forward.
None of our players have been able to replicate the Brown role once he left and Hoever just hasn’t had the same effect.
Hopefully we don’t do anything daft like try and sign him in the summer.
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Post by chamberlain on Feb 17, 2024 21:05:27 GMT
I dont care who plays in front of him , they literally cannot be any worse. He's very lucky to be making a living in professional football. Hopefully this will be the last season we have to watch him lose us a game.
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