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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 18, 2024 21:29:23 GMT
Just so you know the women won the last Euros, beating arguably the best 3 teams in the world, at the time, in the knockout stages along the on the way: Spain, Sweden and Germany giving heart, nerve and sinew along the way, the likes we have never seen before from an English national football team We then picked up injuries to key players all over the park but still got to the world cup final, pushing Spain all the way in the final - all this not long after going fully professional. You should watch and support the England women, they have a genuine chance of winning each tournament they enter and have a world class manager. The players that played for England in those tournaments don't get paid a fortune and have come through the ranks and had to put up with many chauvinistic comments and blocks to get where they are and to represent England at the top level - might be why they have the bollox and shear bloody mindedness to go all the way. The menâs team have just as much chance of winning a tournament. The women/ladies (I havenât a clue what Iâm allowed to say) have done really well. Probably because theyâve made the biggest deal of promoting the sport that can make them the most money. I donât like watching womenâs football, itâs rarely entertaining, the standard to someone who is used to menâs football is poor. I have no problem with people enjoying it mind of course I donât. But do not tell me womens football is entertaining or has any meaning whatsoever to me. The men's team don't have as much chance of winning - sorry that is just fact. If you don't want to watch the women's game that is fine - that said, Watching the England women play is a breath of fresh air compared to watching Stoke play. But if it has no meaning to you then that is refreshingly honest and ok - go and watch the Munter Hunters, can't be much worse than supporting Stoke these days
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Post by onyourbonce on Feb 18, 2024 21:38:51 GMT
Yes the original topic was about misogyny in football because of a few idiots naming a Sunday league team something daft, but your the one who started having a pop at the menâs side, I just called you out on it. From then youve just been waffling trying to justify what your sayin whilst contradicting yourself You never answer any of the questions, your the one waffling on about misogyny/contradicting in every post - look the meaning of the word up by the way. I answered your first question, apologise for not answering the second. No itâs not ok to slate women or make up distasteful team names as these lads have done, not once have I said it is ok in any post, I agree itâs stupidity. But then you went off on a tangent digging at the menâs national side when itâs nothing to do with them? Thatâs simply the point Iâm making. I donât agree with it
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 18, 2024 21:39:58 GMT
The menâs team have just as much chance of winning a tournament. The women/ladies (I havenât a clue what Iâm allowed to say) have done really well. Probably because theyâve made the biggest deal of promoting the sport that can make them the most money. I donât like watching womenâs football, itâs rarely entertaining, the standard to someone who is used to menâs football is poor. I have no problem with people enjoying it mind of course I donât. But do not tell me womens football is entertaining or has any meaning whatsoever to me. The men's team don't have as much chance of winning - sorry that is just fact. If you don't want to watch the women's game that is fine - that said, Watching the England women play is a breath of fresh air compared to watching Stoke play. But if it has no meaning to you then that is refreshingly honest and ok - go and watch the Munter Hunters, can't be much worse than supporting Stoke these days You say itâs a fact, which it isnât of course. Your interpretation of a fact doesnât seem to measure up to the English language for some reason. I get it, youâre obsessed with womens football, takes all sorts.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Feb 18, 2024 22:18:45 GMT
There's a women's football team called the Chubby Chasers in America
Surely that's no different or is that just fun?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 18, 2024 22:28:00 GMT
There's a women's football team called the Chubby Chasers in America Surely that's no different or is that just fun? I tend to chase birds of the slightly chubby variety to be fair đ
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 19, 2024 10:53:26 GMT
There's a women's football team called the Chubby Chasers in America Surely that's no different or is that just fun? According to the urban dictionary web site a chubby chaser is: A person of any sexuality who is attracted to another person who is overweight. Similar to chunky monkey. Tom is a chubby chaser, he only really wants heavy women. Andy, also a chubby chaser, is only into overweight guys. His sister shares these desires, so they love to go checking out guys together. www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chubby%20chaserSo both men and women of any sexuality can be a chubby chaser and it is a sexual preference rather than predatory sexual behaviour. The definition of munter hunter One who on a regular basis pursues particulary unattractive females or munters, with the sole objective of getting passionate with them, to boost their own self-esteem. "Dean pulls loads of ugly girls, he is a munter hunter" or "The munter hunter is behind the building having intercourse with a particularly ugly lady" www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=munter%20hunterMunter hunter is generally recognised as predatory sexual behaviour by heterosexual men. So no, they are not equivalent.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Feb 19, 2024 10:59:26 GMT
There's a women's football team called the Chubby Chasers in America Surely that's no different or is that just fun? According to the urban dictionary web site a chubby chaser is: A person of any sexuality who is attracted to another person who is overweight. Similar to chunky monkey. Tom is a chubby chaser, he only really wants heavy women. Andy, also a chubby chaser, is only into overweight guys. His sister shares these desires, so they love to go checking out guys together. www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chubby%20chaserSo both men and women of any sexuality can be a chubby chaser and it is a sexual preference rather than predatory sexual behaviour. The definition of munter hunter One who on a regular basis pursues particulary unattractive females or munters, with the sole objective of getting passionate with them, to boost their own self-esteem. "Dean pulls loads of ugly girls, he is a munter hunter" or "The munter hunter is behind the building having intercourse with a particularly ugly lady" www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=munter%20hunterMunter hunter is generally recognised as predatory sexual behaviour by heterosexual men. So no, they are not equivalent. Am sure if a men's team called that, the easily upset brigade would be cool with it
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Post by dutchstokie on Feb 19, 2024 11:07:21 GMT
There's a women's football team called the Chubby Chasers in America Surely that's no different or is that just fun? I tend to chase birds of the slightly chubby variety to be fair đ Youre not a 'feeder' are you....? Thats just weird !
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 19, 2024 11:12:16 GMT
I tend to chase birds of the slightly chubby variety to be fair đ Youre not a 'feeder' are you....? Thats just weird ! No chief. I just appreciate curvier women. You get better cuddles in the morning. But I agree that feeder thing is not only weird its out right wrong. I find that quite sinister actually in that there must be some underlying harmful manipulative coercion going on. Not good.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 19, 2024 11:25:57 GMT
For anyone actually interested in the story this article provides a bit more detail. The club has three women's teams and 50% of the club board are women: "Kat Craig, a human rights lawyer and sports consultant who is chair of Candi, said: âWe are incredibly proud of our Sunday Menâs Team players, and the allyship they have shown. Sometimes solidarity requires a sacrifice, and while weâre sad to see them lose out on this opportunity, weâre grateful for their support and that of all of our players, sponsors, members and the wider community in taking this stance. âWe want football to be a place for all, and we want those words to mean something. We hope this small gesture will spark positive change.â So much for this being an all male initiative. This is a stance being taken by the whole club, not just grandstanding by the men's team as some people have been suggesting. So should the women of Candi United Football Club just suck it up and if so why should they? An investigation is being undertaken by the FA - which is probably just as well because it sounds like whoever is running the league haven't got a clue. If the FA are involved I really can't see this ending well for MHFC and the league itself could well be in for a bollocking for not doing anything in the first place. Like it or not football is no longer just a man's game. Lad culture needs to find another outlet because it just isn't welcome in football anymore.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 19, 2024 13:00:18 GMT
Thanks for that - really well argued response and I pretty much agree. I haven't been calling for this club to be banned for their name - I posted earlier that people have the right to shock and offend. As you point out the safety issues and alleged social media posts are another matter. However the league still has a problem and it has to make a decision one way or the other as it is a cup competition. Do they throw out MHFC, the other team for refusing to play them or both of them? If they throw out the team refusing to play them what messages does that put out to the women involved in the league? You are just going to have to suck up the casual sexism/misogyny? As I said, for me really it comes to down to the "horrific examples of misogyny" and safety concerns. If there genuinely are/have been examples of horrific misogyny on their social media then MHFC should, of course, be thrown out. If it's found there isn't/hasn't been, then they shouldn't be thrown out if its just the name issue, as it's not hate speech, it's not swearing, it's not obscene and it isn't technically discriminatory as it isn't exclusively a term only used by men to describe women. It is incredibly childish and it is pathetic to see that grown adults have called themselves that knowing they'll be giggling and snickering like young teens behind the bike sheds about it and that's disappointing but it's not enough to warrant bringing disciplinary charges against a team, for me personally anyway. However,if the league finds there has been no misogyny by MHFC and the opposing team still don't agree with that ruling they still have the choice to boycott games. Yes, they may be docked points or obviously not go through to the next round but that's the sacrifice you make to stand up for what you believe is right. What you can't do however (in life as well as football) is force everyone else to just agree with your opinion and expect them to bow down to pressure if the evidence you've provided doesn't show what you're alleging. Really hard to give an answer as to how to proceed AFTER the investigation, when we don't have any clue what's actually making up that investigation in the first place (apart from the club name). It's a piece designed to cause outrage and division. If it was genuinely concerned about the fear of misogyny in football, they'd have told us what these examples were and why misogyny can cause safety concerns They haven't covered any of that though, just banged on about the name so they can simplify the entire matter and pretend that's the real issue, when it cleary isn't. It's a really poor piece lacking in important information that they've trotted out because women in football is a bigger topic than usual at the moment due to the whole ongoing Joey Barton thing, so they've latched onto what they can see on social media and served it up to the masses to cater for that and just made it into a straight, basic men vs. women battle when in reality I'd imagine it's far more complex than that, hence there being an actual ongoing investigation into matters the journalist won't inform us of. That in itself is incredibly poor as they're basically turning the subject of misogyny into some sideshow to gain clicks. However, due to that lack of information I think it's pretty hard for anyone to say what they would/should hypothetically do in this situation, as we don't have anything like enough information on the matter itself. Edit: it would also be interesting to know (and I don't know if someone like prestwichpotter would be able to answer) if the leagues have any kind of guidelines as to what names are/aren't allowed in the league pyramid all the way down to grassroots. Surely there must be some rules as to what isn't acceptable to call your club. Even if you use acronyms and they only registered themselves as MHFC, isn't anyone asking what the acronyms stand for? If not then it opens the doors to people being far, far more offensive with their clubs names than this team have been. Definitely something they should be looking at I feel or there could be clubs calling themselves Jihadi FC or I hate gay people united etc. and just getting away with it by registering under the acronym rather than the full name. I've been involved in a number of local leagues in Salford, Bury, Bolton, parts of East Manchester and I've never seen anything specific. I used to go to the monthly meetings and they used to vote new teams in and you could raise objections if need be, but no rogue names ever came up.......
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Post by satoshi on Feb 19, 2024 13:03:46 GMT
There's a women's football team called the Chubby Chasers in America Surely that's no different or is that just fun? Itâs only fun if youâre the chaser
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 19, 2024 22:03:46 GMT
The men's team don't have as much chance of winning - sorry that is just fact. If you don't want to watch the women's game that is fine - that said, Watching the England women play is a breath of fresh air compared to watching Stoke play. But if it has no meaning to you then that is refreshingly honest and ok - go and watch the Munter Hunters, can't be much worse than supporting Stoke these days You say itâs a fact, which it isnât of course. Your interpretation of a fact doesnât seem to measure up to the English language for some reason. I get it, youâre obsessed with womens football, takes all sorts. In my opinion Women's footy is more entertaining than the male version at the moment, but then that is not hard - I do take in a few of the Stoke games(women), as I do the men's, not sure that makes me obsessed - if I was obsessed with women's footy, though, why is that a problem - and why do you say it take all sorts? - as though there is something wrong with that decision. Statistically, it is a fact that the men have less chance of winning
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 19, 2024 22:18:36 GMT
You say itâs a fact, which it isnât of course. Your interpretation of a fact doesnât seem to measure up to the English language for some reason. I get it, youâre obsessed with womens football, takes all sorts. In my opinion Women's footy is more entertaining than the male version at the moment, but then that is not hard - I do take in a few of the Stoke games(women), as I do the men's, not sure that makes me obsessed - if I was obsessed with women's footy, though, why is that a problem - and why do you say it take all sorts? - as though there is something wrong with that decision. Statistically, it is a fact that the men have less chance of winning Huh?đ¤ˇđťââď¸
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Post by skip on Feb 19, 2024 23:48:37 GMT
You say itâs a fact, which it isnât of course. Your interpretation of a fact doesnât seem to measure up to the English language for some reason. I get it, youâre obsessed with womens football, takes all sorts. In my opinion Women's footy is more entertaining than the male version at the moment, but then that is not hard - I do take in a few of the Stoke games(women), as I do the men's, not sure that makes me obsessed - if I was obsessed with women's footy, though, why is that a problem - and why do you say it take all sorts? - as though there is something wrong with that decision. Statistically, it is a fact that the men have less chance of winning That 10% cloudy IPA is a bugger to start the week on.
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Post by musik on Feb 20, 2024 0:02:04 GMT
There were words I had to consult my Dictionary for.
Munter Hunter.
Thought it meant someone who is happy first. But obviously an ugly guy chasing an ugly female. Who decides who is ugly btw? Isn't it a matter of taste?
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