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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 18, 2024 17:45:21 GMT
I think the ladies I know would rather take their chances with a Munter Hunter than an overbearing White Knight male feminist intent on casting them as victims devoid of any agency of their own The team who boycotted the match against MHFC did it in support of their female members. But then you haven't actually read and understood the article have you?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 18, 2024 17:52:03 GMT
I think the ladies I know would rather take their chances with a Munter Hunter than an overbearing White Knight male feminist intent on casting them as victims devoid of any agency of their own The team who boycotted the match against MHFC did it in support of their female members. But then you haven't actually read and understood the article have you? You’re funny you are🤣
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 18, 2024 17:54:45 GMT
The term munter means ugly and can be applied to men or women. And is currently a perfectly legal word. To automatically assume its about women is probably more misogynistic than the team name itself. Half the team could be gay for all we know. That being said, it's literally more modern day bollocks anyway, crying over a teams name 😄 Couldn't agree more mate. Munter can be about anyone. Hope the team boycotting gets points deductions for their pathetic display. The name isn't MFC. It's MHFC - the MH standing for "Munter Hunter". In addition the investigation into the club is also looking into allegations of blatantly sexist posts on their social media feed and safety concerns at their matches. You and others are trying to deflect from the issues by making out it's just about the word "Munter". It isn't. Everyone knows the use and meaning of "Munter Hunter". The fact some people making out it's a term widely used by women and gay men are just making it up to defend casual misogyny. And you all know it.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Feb 18, 2024 17:55:11 GMT
I think the ladies I know would rather take their chances with a Munter Hunter than an overbearing White Knight male feminist intent on casting them as victims devoid of any agency of their own The team who boycotted the match against MHFC did it in support of their female members. But then you haven't actually read and understood the article have you? Are all of their female members munters? That's a bit harsh of them.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 18, 2024 17:55:11 GMT
The team who boycotted the match against MHFC did it in support of their female members. But then you haven't actually read and understood the article have you? You’re funny you are🤣 Thanks. You aren't.
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Post by franklin on Feb 18, 2024 17:57:02 GMT
A few more are being highlighted like Inter Yermar.
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Post by felonious on Feb 18, 2024 17:57:20 GMT
Wow, you’ve really taken me aback there. You really do hate men. Read how offensive and dismissive you are being towards the male England team with what your saying, while you are claiming misogyny in football because of the name of a team. That’s misandry. Double standards I don't hate men, I am one. I am not dismissive toward the men, I gave you a reasonable argument with stats and facts as to why our men are shite at football and why I don't think we are a force in the game, and also why the women being successful in a sport the men have not been capable of competing in for decades is frustrating for some - and stated this is the reason we see little pansies like Barton crying and going overboard with his criticism of the women's game - if he does not like it he does not have to watch it - why do you think he and others are suddenly coming out and demeaning the women's game at this particular point? Also, give me some stats and facts as to why I am wrong when I say England(men) are shite at football and why I should not dismiss them going forward? I have to say that one of the worst cases of misogyny I ever witnessed came out of the mouth of a woman.
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Post by felonious on Feb 18, 2024 18:01:29 GMT
I think the ladies I know would rather take their chances with a Munter Hunter than an overbearing White Knight male feminist intent on casting them as victims devoid of any agency of their own Makes you wonder whether these White Knight male feminists know any actual women out there in the real world.
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Post by felonious on Feb 18, 2024 18:03:11 GMT
A few more are being highlighted like Inter Yermar. Bayern Oatcake needs getting rid of while they're at it
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 18, 2024 18:03:39 GMT
Take it you didn’t partake in the Oatcake survey😉
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 18, 2024 18:04:44 GMT
A few more are being highlighted like Inter Yermar. Bayern Oatcake needs getting rid of while they're at it I used to play for Joanne Cofton FC, not sure it offended anyone at the time
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 18, 2024 18:12:48 GMT
I think the ladies I know would rather take their chances with a Munter Hunter than an overbearing White Knight male feminist intent on casting them as victims devoid of any agency of their own The team who boycotted the match against MHFC did it in support of their female members. But then you haven't actually read and understood the article have you? Bully for them Not quite sure what relevance you think that has to my comment but don't let me distract you from your rather rickety hobby horse of cliches and assumptions and stereotyping. Presumably I'm now in denial about my historical complicity with normalised behaviour standards of casual [insert -ism jargon to taste]
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Post by gawa on Feb 18, 2024 18:34:13 GMT
Couldn't agree more mate. Munter can be about anyone. Hope the team boycotting gets points deductions for their pathetic display. The name isn't MFC. It's MHFC - the MH standing for "Munter Hunter". In addition the investigation into the club is also looking into allegations of blatantly sexist posts on their social media feed and safety concerns at their matches. You and others are trying to deflect from the issues by making out it's just about the word "Munter". It isn't. Everyone knows the use and meaning of "Munter Hunter". The fact some people making out it's a term widely used by women and gay men are just making it up to defend casual misogyny. And you all know it. Is there a link to their social media? What did they post what was so bad and why has it only led to one team wanting to boycott the match. How long have they been in the league for with this name and how many marches boycotted? Munter is a term very widely used by all people where I live. I just don't understand why they played the 1st leg in the cup on 23rd January, which they lost 3-1, if the opposition has this history of misogyny. Why the sudden change of direction? Should football clubs have boycotted games against Liverpool or Chelsea when Suarez and Terry were accused of racism? Would you have supported that? They've reported it to the FA, if there is an issue it will be dealt with. Boycotting is childish especially after they were happy to play a first leg in their semi final against the opposition. If they won the semi final would they have boycotted? Would the team get kicked out of the cup if punished? Naming a club Munter Hunters FC is a joke. Anyone with involvement in 5 a side/Sunday football leagues/fantasy football leagues knows names with comedy value are often used and simply meant to be tongue in cheek and not taken seriously. Its the over policing of stuff like this which fuels culture wars. Personally my favourite team name I've seen is Dyslexia CF
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 18, 2024 19:36:51 GMT
I don't hate men, I am one. I am not dismissive toward the men, I gave you a reasonable argument with stats and facts as to why our men are shite at football and why I don't think we are a force in the game, and also why the women being successful in a sport the men have not been capable of competing in for decades is frustrating for some - and stated this is the reason we see little pansies like Barton crying and going overboard with his criticism of the women's game - if he does not like it he does not have to watch it - why do you think he and others are suddenly coming out and demeaning the women's game at this particular point? Also, give me some stats and facts as to why I am wrong when I say England(men) are shite at football and why I should not dismiss them going forward? Well you’ve just said in your previous post the men don’t have the talent or temperament to ever win anything, and then your saying your not dismissive towards the men? Can’t you see how your contradicting yourself? They may well win the euros this year, who knows? Your just having a pop at them in the name of misogyny, when it’s not even about them and they’ve done nothing wrong. The original post was about men/misogyny in the game was it not? Not sure why saying England don't have the talent or temperament to win a tournament is being dismissive toward men(just an opinion), is it ok to slate women, make up stupid derogatory team names about women(misogyny), but totally unacceptable, absurd and derogatory, in your eyes, to suggest that the male team might not be up to the task - explain? England may well win the euros and Stoke men and WOMEN may well win the FA cup next year, I hope all three happen - the probability of it is close to zero given what has gone before - and also all three are utterly shite.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 18, 2024 19:38:24 GMT
Well you’ve just said in your previous post the men don’t have the talent or temperament to ever win anything, and then your saying your not dismissive towards the men? Can’t you see how your contradicting yourself? They may well win the euros this year, who knows? Your just having a pop at them in the name of misogyny, when it’s not even about them and they’ve done nothing wrong. The original post was about men/misogyny in the game was it not? Not sure why saying England don't have the talent or temperament to win a tournament is being dismissive toward men(just an opinion), is it ok to slate women, make up stupid derogatory team names about women(misogyny), but totally unacceptable, absurd and derogatory, in your eyes, to suggest that the male team might not be up to the task - explain? England may well win the euros and Stoke men and WOMEN may well win the FA cup next year, I hope all three happen - the probability of it is close to zero given what has gone before - and also all three are utterly shite. The England men’s team are not utterly shite and neither are the womens in their field.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 18, 2024 19:43:42 GMT
What this thread highlights perfectly is the ever widening division between the public as a whole. On the one side there’s people who are happy to go about their life as they’ve always done and then there’s the other side of the apologetic, virtue signalling, speaking for others, weak minded individuals who find offence because they’re brainwashed by social media and “influencers”. I’d be seriously worried if I gave a shit about the type of people who spend their lives worrying about people with zero effect on their own lives
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 18, 2024 20:02:13 GMT
The original post was about men/misogyny in the game was it not? Not sure why saying England don't have the talent or temperament to win a tournament is being dismissive toward men(just an opinion), is it ok to slate women, make up stupid derogatory team names about women(misogyny), but totally unacceptable, absurd and derogatory, in your eyes, to suggest that the male team might not be up to the task - explain? England may well win the euros and Stoke men and WOMEN may well win the FA cup next year, I hope all three happen - the probability of it is close to zero given what has gone before - and also all three are utterly shite. The England men’s team are not utterly shite and neither are the womens in their field. I notice you did not come to the Stokies defence when I said they were shite England are a bit shite though are they not - the men I mean
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 18, 2024 20:07:41 GMT
The England men’s team are not utterly shite and neither are the womens in their field. I notice you did not come to the Stokies defence when I said they were shite England are a bit shite though are they not - the men I mean No. They've performed pretty well in the last three tournaments, coming within a hair's breadth of winning one and getting close to the final of another. There are many times in recent and not-so-recent history when the England men's team have been a bit shite, now is not one of them. To say they are smacks of dogma.
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 18, 2024 20:23:36 GMT
I notice you did not come to the Stokies defence when I said they were shite England are a bit shite though are they not - the men I mean No. They've performed pretty well in the last three tournaments, coming within a hair's breadth of winning one and getting close to the final of another. There are many times in recent and not-so-recent history when the England men's team have been a bit shite, now is not one of them. To say they are smacks of dogma. They came close in the Euros when they got to the final, they were pretty shite in the games leading up to that final though, and as I seem to remember we didn't touch the ball in the second half of the game in the final, you could also say Stoke came close to winning the FA cup in 2011 - the reality is we came up against a team of pedigree and just like England we fell quite a bit short. In the world cups prior to the euros and after they were not close: 2018 we had 3 tough games(2 against Belgium and 1 against the mighty Croatia) and lost them all - Kane got knighted after we lost to Croatia in 2018 and why not - Croatia with a population of 3 million would have been an incredible performance had we beaten them, knight all the players I say. 2022 we just limped out in the quarters if memory serves me correctly.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 18, 2024 20:28:26 GMT
I notice you did not come to the Stokies defence when I said they were shite England are a bit shite though are they not - the men I mean No. They've performed pretty well in the last three tournaments, coming within a hair's breadth of winning one and getting close to the final of another. There are many times in recent and not-so-recent history when the England men's team have been a bit shite, now is not one of them. To say they are smacks of dogma. It’s almost like we’re entitled to win tournaments 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 18, 2024 20:30:38 GMT
The England men’s team are not utterly shite and neither are the womens in their field. I notice you did not come to the Stokies defence when I said they were shite England are a bit shite though are they not - the men I mean I didn’t come to Stokes defence of course. The men’s team has done pretty well compared to the rest of my lifetime and it’s a massive deal for for the opposition to beat us. The womens team I don’t follow, I heard they’re on a similar trajectory to our men’s team
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 18, 2024 20:31:49 GMT
No. They've performed pretty well in the last three tournaments, coming within a hair's breadth of winning one and getting close to the final of another. There are many times in recent and not-so-recent history when the England men's team have been a bit shite, now is not one of them. To say they are smacks of dogma. They came close in the Euros when they got to the final, they were pretty shite in the games leading up to that final though, and as I seem to remember we didn't touch the ball in the second half of the game in the final, you could also say Stoke came close to winning the FA cup in 2011 - the reality is we came up against a team of pedigree and just like England we fell quite a bit short. In the world cups prior to the euros and after they were not close: 2018 we had 3 tough games(2 against Belgium and 1 against the mighty Croatia) and lost them all - Kane got knighted after we lost to Croatia in 2018 and why not - Croatia with a population of 3 million would have been an incredible performance had we beaten them, knight all the players I say. 2022 we just limped out in the quarters if memory serves me correctly. They were winning a World Cup semi-final with 22 minutes to play. That is getting close to a World Cup final. You're just being hyperbolic.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 18, 2024 20:36:03 GMT
They came close in the Euros when they got to the final, they were pretty shite in the games leading up to that final though, and as I seem to remember we didn't touch the ball in the second half of the game in the final, you could also say Stoke came close to winning the FA cup in 2011 - the reality is we came up against a team of pedigree and just like England we fell quite a bit short. In the world cups prior to the euros and after they were not close: 2018 we had 3 tough games(2 against Belgium and 1 against the mighty Croatia) and lost them all - Kane got knighted after we lost to Croatia in 2018 and why not - Croatia with a population of 3 million would have been an incredible performance had we beaten them, knight all the players I say. 2022 we just limped out in the quarters if memory serves me correctly. They were winning a World Cup semi-final with 22 minutes to play. That is getting close to a World Cup final. You're just being hyperbolic. To be honest, from what I understand, since women introduced the WSL when they were one of the teams to beat the rest are rapidly catching up and by all accounts our national team aren’t as successful as they were before?
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 18, 2024 20:47:48 GMT
They came close in the Euros when they got to the final, they were pretty shite in the games leading up to that final though, and as I seem to remember we didn't touch the ball in the second half of the game in the final, you could also say Stoke came close to winning the FA cup in 2011 - the reality is we came up against a team of pedigree and just like England we fell quite a bit short. In the world cups prior to the euros and after they were not close: 2018 we had 3 tough games(2 against Belgium and 1 against the mighty Croatia) and lost them all - Kane got knighted after we lost to Croatia in 2018 and why not - Croatia with a population of 3 million would have been an incredible performance had we beaten them, knight all the players I say. 2022 we just limped out in the quarters if memory serves me correctly. They were winning a World Cup semi-final with 22 minutes to play. That is getting close to a World Cup final. You're just being hyperbolic. They lost like they always do - to a country with the population of greater London
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Post by onyourbonce on Feb 18, 2024 20:53:33 GMT
Well you’ve just said in your previous post the men don’t have the talent or temperament to ever win anything, and then your saying your not dismissive towards the men? Can’t you see how your contradicting yourself? They may well win the euros this year, who knows? Your just having a pop at them in the name of misogyny, when it’s not even about them and they’ve done nothing wrong. The original post was about men/misogyny in the game was it not? Not sure why saying England don't have the talent or temperament to win a tournament is being dismissive toward men(just an opinion), is it ok to slate women, make up stupid derogatory team names about women(misogyny), but totally unacceptable, absurd and derogatory, in your eyes, to suggest that the male team might not be up to the task - explain? England may well win the euros and Stoke men and WOMEN may well win the FA cup next year, I hope all three happen - the probability of it is close to zero given what has gone before - and also all three are utterly shite. Yes the original topic was about misogyny in football because of a few idiots naming a Sunday league team something daft, but your the one who started having a pop at the men’s side, I just called you out on it. From then youve just been waffling trying to justify what your sayin whilst contradicting yourself
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 18, 2024 20:57:19 GMT
They were winning a World Cup semi-final with 22 minutes to play. That is getting close to a World Cup final. You're just being hyperbolic. They lost like they always do - to a country with the population of greater London There’s probably more Croatians in London than Zagreb.
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 18, 2024 21:06:33 GMT
I notice you did not come to the Stokies defence when I said they were shite England are a bit shite though are they not - the men I mean I didn’t come to Stokes defence of course. The men’s team has done pretty well compared to the rest of my lifetime and it’s a massive deal for for the opposition to beat us. The womens team I don’t follow, I heard they’re on a similar trajectory to our men’s team Just so you know the women won the last Euros, beating arguably the best 3 teams in the world, at the time, in the knockout stages along the on the way: Spain, Sweden and Germany giving heart, nerve and sinew along the way, the likes we have never seen before from an English national football team We then picked up injuries to key players all over the park but still got to the world cup final, pushing Spain all the way in the final - all this not long after going fully professional. You should watch and support the England women, they have a genuine chance of winning each tournament they enter and have a world class manager. The players that played for England in those tournaments don't get paid a fortune and have come through the ranks and had to put up with many chauvinistic comments and blocks to get where they are and to represent England at the top level - might be why they have the bollox and shear bloody mindedness to go all the way.
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 18, 2024 21:15:22 GMT
The original post was about men/misogyny in the game was it not? Not sure why saying England don't have the talent or temperament to win a tournament is being dismissive toward men(just an opinion), is it ok to slate women, make up stupid derogatory team names about women(misogyny), but totally unacceptable, absurd and derogatory, in your eyes, to suggest that the male team might not be up to the task - explain? England may well win the euros and Stoke men and WOMEN may well win the FA cup next year, I hope all three happen - the probability of it is close to zero given what has gone before - and also all three are utterly shite. Yes the original topic was about misogyny in football because of a few idiots naming a Sunday league team something daft, but your the one who started having a pop at the men’s side, I just called you out on it. From then youve just been waffling trying to justify what your sayin whilst contradicting yourself You never answer any of the questions, your the one waffling on about misogyny/contradicting in every post - look the meaning of the word up by the way.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 18, 2024 21:17:50 GMT
I didn’t come to Stokes defence of course. The men’s team has done pretty well compared to the rest of my lifetime and it’s a massive deal for for the opposition to beat us. The womens team I don’t follow, I heard they’re on a similar trajectory to our men’s team Just so you know the women won the last Euros, beating arguably the best 3 teams in the world, at the time, in the knockout stages along the on the way: Spain, Sweden and Germany giving heart, nerve and sinew along the way, the likes we have never seen before from an English national football team We then picked up injuries to key players all over the park but still got to the world cup final, pushing Spain all the way in the final - all this not long after going fully professional. You should watch and support the England women, they have a genuine chance of winning each tournament they enter and have a world class manager. The players that played for England in those tournaments don't get paid a fortune and have come through the ranks and had to put up with many chauvinistic comments and blocks to get where they are and to represent England at the top level - might be why they have the bollox and shear bloody mindedness to go all the way. The men’s team have just as much chance of winning a tournament. The women/ladies (I haven’t a clue what I’m allowed to say) have done really well. Probably because they’ve made the biggest deal of promoting the sport that can make them the most money. I don’t like watching women’s football, it’s rarely entertaining, the standard to someone who is used to men’s football is poor. I have no problem with people enjoying it mind of course I don’t. But do not tell me womens football is entertaining or has any meaning whatsoever to me.
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Post by danceswithclams on Feb 18, 2024 21:26:42 GMT
Just so you know the women won the last Euros, beating arguably the best 3 teams in the world, at the time, in the knockout stages along the on the way: Spain, Sweden and Germany giving heart, nerve and sinew along the way, the likes we have never seen before from an English national football team We then picked up injuries to key players all over the park but still got to the world cup final, pushing Spain all the way in the final - all this not long after going fully professional. You should watch and support the England women, they have a genuine chance of winning each tournament they enter and have a world class manager. The players that played for England in those tournaments don't get paid a fortune and have come through the ranks and had to put up with many chauvinistic comments and blocks to get where they are and to represent England at the top level - might be why they have the bollox and shear bloody mindedness to go all the way. The men’s team have just as much chance of winning a tournament. The women/ladies (I haven’t a clue what I’m allowed to say) have done really well. Probably because they’ve made the biggest deal of promoting the sport that can make them the most money. I don’t like watching women’s football, it’s rarely entertaining, the standard to someone who is used to men’s football is poor. I have no problem with people enjoying it mind of course I don’t. But do not tell me womens football is entertaining or has any meaning whatsoever to me. I think you'd enjoy it more if you thought of it as a sport in its own right (i.e. not consciously or even subconsciously comparing it to the men's game). That said, the keepers are still shit regardless.
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