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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 16, 2024 20:32:13 GMT
Whatâs the problem here? Iâve not read all the thread. If itâs men calling women âmuntersâ Iâve heard the same from women about men plenty of times. That said I wouldnât call my team by that name as itâs a bit cringeđ¤ˇđťââď¸
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 16, 2024 21:42:32 GMT
I suspect the majority of posters on here are 40+ males. This is one small example in a world where lots of other small examples add up to an attitude to women that needs to change. It doesn't offend me in the slightest, I just find these things tedious and unfunny. Thank God all of us dinosaurs will hopefully die out soon and the next generation can engage in less "hilarious" banter and more respect for one another.............. I'm pretty sure the "banter" I heard coming from the mouths of under 40's Wednesday night would debunk that opinion. If you seriously think its us "oldies" engaging in this stuff you are mistaken. I can confirm that youâre right. Working with young people, good and bad behaviour is hereditary and is being passed down the generations. Hate crime is certainly not unique to the over 40s. You only have to look at the crime in the U.K. and some of the recent horrific murders involving children in Bristol and Rochdale that we are not heading towards some brave new world.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 16, 2024 21:51:14 GMT
To be fair to the team refusing to play, the article itself says it's not just because of the name of the opposition teams name that's making them call it off but also "horrific examples of misogyny" posted to that club's social media accounts. It's pretty difficult to judge if it's a case of people "being offended for the sake of it" without first knowing what those examples were, particularly when there's already an ongoing investigation into the club (although the article fails to mention if that investigation relates to accusations made from the boycott of the first game or whether another club has complained about them for other reasons). For such an article, it's fairly lacking in salient information. It reads to me like there is an ongoing investigation into the club's objection to playing the second fixture which I understand to be a cup competition. So what do the league do? To be fair, if the investigation hasn't yet been concluded then the League/Cup will continue as usual and the fixtures will be expected to be continued with, as no one has been found "guilty" of any wrongdoing as yet. If the other team doesn't want to play them, then it's also within their rights to boycott the game, which they have done and I applaud them for sticking to their principles with that. Even if it is solely due to the name (as we don't know what these social media posts were), I think it's commendable of them standing with and for their female counterparts at the club. That's a very good club mentality to have i.e. it's not about the men's team or the women's team but the club itself, united as one and together, you hurt one of us then you hurt all of us. This also gives a great message to any juniors at the club and I totally respect their stance. What's more concerning to me is the fact that the article lists a fear of safety as being a concern. If there's a fear of safety involved in the investigation also, then that's something that absolutely should have been dealt with pretty much immediately by the League (in terms of expediting the investigation) whenever any previous objections about player safety had been raised. I appreciate that it appears to have only been a week or two since the first boycotted game but they'd have known they were also due to meet in this game (or possibly could, if the previous round hadn't yet been concluded) so the safety of those participating should have been the first thing to come to a conclusion on before anything else happened. The league is right to expect fixtures to be completed whilst an investigation is still ongoing and no team has been found guilty of anything....but at the same time the league seem to be pretty woeful in terms of dealing with that investigation in a timely manner given the concerns raised re: safety. Would I take the same stance and stand with the women from my club who may take offence at the name? Yes, it sends an important message about standing up for what you think is right and having the courage of your convictions. Do I think MHFC should be disbanded/thrown out of the league because of their name? No, especially if no other club have objected to it or you're setting a very dangerous precedent by saying one club can have "power" over how another club is run based on personal, moral opinions. Do I think they should be asked to change their name to something that would be more appropriate for just about any type of club or organisation that involves people over the age of about 12 when that kind of shit stopped being funny to most people? Absolutely, yes. As mentioned previously, the two most important parts of this story aren't even covered; the horrifically misogynistic social media comments which are referred to very briefly and also whatever these safety concerns are. The actual name of the club seems far less important than both of these matters. The club name is tabloid fodder and gets people on both sides outraged (which I suspect is exactly why it's the only thing the article has focussed on...makes good copy) and is just downright inappropriate and incredibly childish but although it's really,really quite pathetic that grown adults actually thought it would be a good idea to push ahead with it, that still doesn't mean any club can force the league to ban them simply because they don't like them. It would be interesting to know if any other club they've come up against in competitions have ever raised any objections or if it's just a one club problem. Again, not something the journalist seems to see as relevant for some reason. If the accusations of horrific misogyny and worries of player safety are true, that's a different matter. I have two teenage daughters myself and I'd love nothing more than for them to grow up in a world where there's no misogyny and there weren't blokes around that are grown adults but still only possess the wit of their 13 year old selves but that isn't real life and won't be in my lifetime because midsets/beliefs/opinions of millions upon millions of people don't change overnight. It takes generations until the issues people fight for become the "norm". Until we get to that point, I'd rather my girls see the world for what it really is i.e. it DOES have men with the mindset of MHFC in it and you WILL come across men like them... but also for what it can be i.e. you CAN stand against them and the real world DOES have men who will stand by you and help you fight misogyny in it as well. That's real life, you won't like or agree with everyone you meet or come across but you have every right to take a stand against them. That's a far better lesson to learn than just arbitrarily ban/cancel everyone/everything you don't agree with so the youngsters just think those opinions don't even exist. They need to know this kind of thing exists because the fight isn't going to be "won" before we die off, they'll 100% need to be continuing that fight for the generations that come after as well.
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Post by st3mark on Feb 16, 2024 22:46:47 GMT
The term munter means ugly and can be applied to men or women. And is currently a perfectly legal word. To automatically assume its about women is probably more misogynistic than the team name itself. Half the team could be gay for all we know. That being said, it's literally more modern day bollocks anyway, crying over a teams name đ Pretty sure I've only ever heard it applied exclusively to women. Maybe I've led a sheltered life. You must have. The girls I grew up with and have worked with used it in relation to men. It's a genderless word.
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 17, 2024 1:10:36 GMT
The England women win the euros and reach a WC final - something the men's team will never do - and we get all these little mommy's boys suddenly getting triggered.
The name is embarrassing & stupid, with a huge dollop of cringe.
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Post by Silkystoke on Feb 17, 2024 1:31:05 GMT
I know a team called Arse nal⌠how did the FA allow that ffsâŚ!!!!
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Post by matelot1996 on Feb 17, 2024 2:13:41 GMT
Misandry is Fine. Misogyny not so much apparently.
How about every fucker stops being offended, especially on behalf of others who never asked you to be offended for them.
And if you are offended by petty gender, racial or social issues then thatâs your problem. I tend to more offended by child rapists, degenerate religious zealots, corrupt politicians, Freeloaders, Uk Haters and ethnic cleansers.
Have a good day đ
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 17, 2024 7:57:54 GMT
Bit disappointed in this thread
Thought it might of been a rehash of the huth cock or no cock thread
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Post by vicarious on Feb 17, 2024 10:21:16 GMT
Could somebody confirm what I need to enraged about please?
Is it munters, vimto, knife crime in the north and banter?
Hopefully thatâs all as my enraging has a maximum capacity.
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Post by skip on Feb 17, 2024 10:27:56 GMT
Could somebody confirm what I need to enraged about please? Is it munters, vimto, knife crime in the north and banter? Hopefully thatâs all as my enraging has a maximum capacity. I don't think anyone is being required to be enraged about anything. Honestly, we're all Fonzy cool.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 17, 2024 10:32:47 GMT
Misandry is Fine. Misogyny not so much apparently. How about every fucker stops being offended, especially on behalf of others who never asked you to be offended for them. And if you are offended by petty gender, racial or social issues then thatâs your problem. I tend to more offended by child rapists, degenerate religious zealots, corrupt politicians, Freeloaders, Uk Haters and ethnic cleansers. Have a good day đ Not sure anyone is particularly offended, I think the general consensus from those criticising the name is that itâs just tedious and outdated shite. Itâs possible to say that and still be offended by child rapeâŚâŚ.
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Post by vicarious on Feb 17, 2024 10:48:37 GMT
I can confirm that thereâs no vimto in the London Road Oatcake shop. Iâm having thray chayse and baycun in protest.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 17, 2024 10:55:38 GMT
It reads to me like there is an ongoing investigation into the club's objection to playing the second fixture which I understand to be a cup competition. So what do the league do? To be fair, if the investigation hasn't yet been concluded then the League/Cup will continue as usual and the fixtures will be expected to be continued with, as no one has been found "guilty" of any wrongdoing as yet. If the other team doesn't want to play them, then it's also within their rights to boycott the game, which they have done and I applaud them for sticking to their principles with that. Even if it is solely due to the name (as we don't know what these social media posts were), I think it's commendable of them standing with and for their female counterparts at the club. That's a very good club mentality to have i.e. it's not about the men's team or the women's team but the club itself, united as one and together, you hurt one of us then you hurt all of us. This also gives a great message to any juniors at the club and I totally respect their stance. What's more concerning to me is the fact that the article lists a fear of safety as being a concern. If there's a fear of safety involved in the investigation also, then that's something that absolutely should have been dealt with pretty much immediately by the League (in terms of expediting the investigation) whenever any previous objections about player safety had been raised. I appreciate that it appears to have only been a week or two since the first boycotted game but they'd have known they were also due to meet in this game (or possibly could, if the previous round hadn't yet been concluded) so the safety of those participating should have been the first thing to come to a conclusion on before anything else happened. The league is right to expect fixtures to be completed whilst an investigation is still ongoing and no team has been found guilty of anything....but at the same time the league seem to be pretty woeful in terms of dealing with that investigation in a timely manner given the concerns raised re: safety. Would I take the same stance and stand with the women from my club who may take offence at the name? Yes, it sends an important message about standing up for what you think is right and having the courage of your convictions. Do I think MHFC should be disbanded/thrown out of the league because of their name? No, especially if no other club have objected to it or you're setting a very dangerous precedent by saying one club can have "power" over how another club is run based on personal, moral opinions. Do I think they should be asked to change their name to something that would be more appropriate for just about any type of club or organisation that involves people over the age of about 12 when that kind of shit stopped being funny to most people? Absolutely, yes. As mentioned previously, the two most important parts of this story aren't even covered; the horrifically misogynistic social media comments which are referred to very briefly and also whatever these safety concerns are. The actual name of the club seems far less important than both of these matters. The club name is tabloid fodder and gets people on both sides outraged (which I suspect is exactly why it's the only thing the article has focussed on...makes good copy) and is just downright inappropriate and incredibly childish but although it's really,really quite pathetic that grown adults actually thought it would be a good idea to push ahead with it, that still doesn't mean any club can force the league to ban them simply because they don't like them. It would be interesting to know if any other club they've come up against in competitions have ever raised any objections or if it's just a one club problem. Again, not something the journalist seems to see as relevant for some reason. If the accusations of horrific misogyny and worries of player safety are true, that's a different matter. I have two teenage daughters myself and I'd love nothing more than for them to grow up in a world where there's no misogyny and there weren't blokes around that are grown adults but still only possess the wit of their 13 year old selves but that isn't real life and won't be in my lifetime because midsets/beliefs/opinions of millions upon millions of people don't change overnight. It takes generations until the issues people fight for become the "norm". Until we get to that point, I'd rather my girls see the world for what it really is i.e. it DOES have men with the mindset of MHFC in it and you WILL come across men like them... but also for what it can be i.e. you CAN stand against them and the real world DOES have men who will stand by you and help you fight misogyny in it as well. That's real life, you won't like or agree with everyone you meet or come across but you have every right to take a stand against them. That's a far better lesson to learn than just arbitrarily ban/cancel everyone/everything you don't agree with so the youngsters just think those opinions don't even exist. They need to know this kind of thing exists because the fight isn't going to be "won" before we die off, they'll 100% need to be continuing that fight for the generations that come after as well. Thanks for that - really well argued response and I pretty much agree. I haven't been calling for this club to be banned for their name - I posted earlier that people have the right to shock and offend. As you point out the safety issues and alleged social media posts are another matter. However the league still has a problem and it has to make a decision one way or the other as it is a cup competition. Do they throw out MHFC, the other team for refusing to play them or both of them? If they throw out the team refusing to play them what messages does that put out to the women involved in the league? You are just going to have to suck up the casual sexism/misogyny?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 17, 2024 12:46:43 GMT
Thanks for that - really well argued response and I pretty much agree. I haven't been calling for this club to be banned for their name - I posted earlier that people have the right to shock and offend. As you point out the safety issues and alleged social media posts are another matter. However the league still has a problem and it has to make a decision one way or the other as it is a cup competition. Do they throw out MHFC, the other team for refusing to play them or both of them? If they throw out the team refusing to play them what messages does that put out to the women involved in the league? You are just going to have to suck up the casual sexism/misogyny? As I said, for me really it comes to down to the "horrific examples of misogyny" and safety concerns. If there genuinely are/have been examples of horrific misogyny on their social media then MHFC should, of course, be thrown out. If it's found there isn't/hasn't been, then they shouldn't be thrown out if its just the name issue, as it's not hate speech, it's not swearing, it's not obscene and it isn't technically discriminatory as it isn't exclusively a term only used by men to describe women. It is incredibly childish and it is pathetic to see that grown adults have called themselves that knowing they'll be giggling and snickering like young teens behind the bike sheds about it and that's disappointing but it's not enough to warrant bringing disciplinary charges against a team, for me personally anyway. However,if the league finds there has been no misogyny by MHFC and the opposing team still don't agree with that ruling they still have the choice to boycott games. Yes, they may be docked points or obviously not go through to the next round but that's the sacrifice you make to stand up for what you believe is right. What you can't do however (in life as well as football) is force everyone else to just agree with your opinion and expect them to bow down to pressure if the evidence you've provided doesn't show what you're alleging. Really hard to give an answer as to how to proceed AFTER the investigation, when we don't have any clue what's actually making up that investigation in the first place (apart from the club name). It's a piece designed to cause outrage and division. If it was genuinely concerned about the fear of misogyny in football, they'd have told us what these examples were and why misogyny can cause safety concerns They haven't covered any of that though, just banged on about the name so they can simplify the entire matter and pretend that's the real issue, when it cleary isn't. It's a really poor piece lacking in important information that they've trotted out because women in football is a bigger topic than usual at the moment due to the whole ongoing Joey Barton thing, so they've latched onto what they can see on social media and served it up to the masses to cater for that and just made it into a straight, basic men vs. women battle when in reality I'd imagine it's far more complex than that, hence there being an actual ongoing investigation into matters the journalist won't inform us of. That in itself is incredibly poor as they're basically turning the subject of misogyny into some sideshow to gain clicks. However, due to that lack of information I think it's pretty hard for anyone to say what they would/should hypothetically do in this situation, as we don't have anything like enough information on the matter itself. Edit: it would also be interesting to know (and I don't know if someone like prestwichpotter would be able to answer) if the leagues have any kind of guidelines as to what names are/aren't allowed in the league pyramid all the way down to grassroots. Surely there must be some rules as to what isn't acceptable to call your club. Even if you use acronyms and they only registered themselves as MHFC, isn't anyone asking what the acronyms stand for? If not then it opens the doors to people being far, far more offensive with their clubs names than this team have been. Definitely something they should be looking at I feel or there could be clubs calling themselves Jihadi FC or I hate gay people united etc. and just getting away with it by registering under the acronym rather than the full name.
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Post by desman2 on Feb 17, 2024 13:33:57 GMT
Misogyny/ Misandry. One is seen as unacceptable. The other is seen as something to have a giggle about. Both mean the same thing though. A lot of people mistake the behaviour of chauvinism to Misogyny usually for it to have a bigger impact.
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Post by lagwafis on Feb 17, 2024 14:02:50 GMT
Thanks for that - really well argued response and I pretty much agree. I haven't been calling for this club to be banned for their name - I posted earlier that people have the right to shock and offend. As you point out the safety issues and alleged social media posts are another matter. However the league still has a problem and it has to make a decision one way or the other as it is a cup competition. Do they throw out MHFC, the other team for refusing to play them or both of them? If they throw out the team refusing to play them what messages does that put out to the women involved in the league? You are just going to have to suck up the casual sexism/misogyny? As I said, for me really it comes to down to the "horrific examples of misogyny" and safety concerns. If there genuinely are/have been examples of horrific misogyny on their social media then MHFC should, of course, be thrown out. If it's found there isn't/hasn't been, then they shouldn't be thrown out if its just the name issue, as it's not hate speech, it's not swearing, it's not obscene and it isn't technically discriminatory as it isn't exclusively a term only used by men to describe women. It is incredibly childish and it is pathetic to see that grown adults have called themselves that knowing they'll be giggling and snickering like young teens behind the bike sheds about it and that's disappointing but it's not enough to warrant bringing disciplinary charges against a team, for me personally anyway. However,if the league finds there has been no misogyny by MHFC and the opposing team still don't agree with that ruling they still have the choice to boycott games. Yes, they may be docked points or obviously not go through to the next round but that's the sacrifice you make to stand up for what you believe is right. What you can't do however (in life as well as football) is force everyone else to just agree with your opinion and expect them to bow down to pressure if the evidence you've provided doesn't show what you're alleging. Really hard to give an answer as to how to proceed AFTER the investigation, when we don't have any clue what's actually making up that investigation in the first place (apart from the club name). It's a piece designed to cause outrage and division. If it was genuinely concerned about the fear of misogyny in football, they'd have told us what these examples were and why misogyny can cause safety concerns They haven't covered any of that though, just banged on about the name so they can simplify the entire matter and pretend that's the real issue, when it cleary isn't. It's a really poor piece lacking in important information that they've trotted out because women in football is a bigger topic than usual at the moment due to the whole ongoing Joey Barton thing, so they've latched onto what they can see on social media and served it up to the masses to cater for that and just made it into a straight, basic men vs. women battle when in reality I'd imagine it's far more complex than that, hence there being an actual ongoing investigation into matters the journalist won't inform us of. That in itself is incredibly poor as they're basically turning the subject of misogyny into some sideshow to gain clicks. However, due to that lack of information I think it's pretty hard for anyone to say what they would/should hypothetically do in this situation, as we don't have anything like enough information on the matter itself. Edit: it would also be interesting to know (and I don't know if someone like prestwichpotter would be able to answer) if the leagues have any kind of guidelines as to what names are/aren't allowed in the league pyramid all the way down to grassroots. Surely there must be some rules as to what isn't acceptable to call your club. Even if you use acronyms and they only registered themselves as MHFC, isn't anyone asking what the acronyms stand for? If not then it opens the doors to people being far, far more offensive with their clubs names than this team have been. Definitely something they should be looking at I feel or there could be clubs calling themselves Jihadi FC or I hate gay people united etc. and just getting away with it by registering under the acronym rather than the full name. With regards to registering a new club, I'm no expert but guess they'd fall under the LondonFA? - www.londonfa.com/leagues-and-clubs/setting-up-a-new-club . The processes here looks fairly robust, though not sure what the final approval stage would look like.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 17, 2024 14:20:10 GMT
Cheers for that. Interestingly, although International women's day IS included in their "Equality and diversity calendar", there doesn't seem to be anything that even covers misogyny or gender discrimination in their "Inclusive language" guidelines, unless it relates to the trans community. In fact, even in the section of guidelines that refer you to resources talking about "Sex, gender and sexual orientation", the only things it addresses are sexual orientation and trans issues. Nothing at all about women in there. The only terms it tells you that you should avoid relate to the sexual orientation part and they don't even address the sex and gender parts anywhere unless it's relating to the trans community. Incredibly weak guidelines really and there seems to be nothing at all about what you can or can't use for a team name.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 17, 2024 19:53:15 GMT
Thanks for that - really well argued response and I pretty much agree. I haven't been calling for this club to be banned for their name - I posted earlier that people have the right to shock and offend. As you point out the safety issues and alleged social media posts are another matter. However the league still has a problem and it has to make a decision one way or the other as it is a cup competition. Do they throw out MHFC, the other team for refusing to play them or both of them? If they throw out the team refusing to play them what messages does that put out to the women involved in the league? You are just going to have to suck up the casual sexism/misogyny? As I said, for me really it comes to down to the "horrific examples of misogyny" and safety concerns. If there genuinely are/have been examples of horrific misogyny on their social media then MHFC should, of course, be thrown out. If it's found there isn't/hasn't been, then they shouldn't be thrown out if its just the name issue, as it's not hate speech, it's not swearing, it's not obscene and it isn't technically discriminatory as it isn't exclusively a term only used by men to describe women. It is incredibly childish and it is pathetic to see that grown adults have called themselves that knowing they'll be giggling and snickering like young teens behind the bike sheds about it and that's disappointing but it's not enough to warrant bringing disciplinary charges against a team, for me personally anyway. However,if the league finds there has been no misogyny by MHFC and the opposing team still don't agree with that ruling they still have the choice to boycott games. Yes, they may be docked points or obviously not go through to the next round but that's the sacrifice you make to stand up for what you believe is right. What you can't do however (in life as well as football) is force everyone else to just agree with your opinion and expect them to bow down to pressure if the evidence you've provided doesn't show what you're alleging. Really hard to give an answer as to how to proceed AFTER the investigation, when we don't have any clue what's actually making up that investigation in the first place (apart from the club name). It's a piece designed to cause outrage and division. If it was genuinely concerned about the fear of misogyny in football, they'd have told us what these examples were and why misogyny can cause safety concerns They haven't covered any of that though, just banged on about the name so they can simplify the entire matter and pretend that's the real issue, when it cleary isn't. It's a really poor piece lacking in important information that they've trotted out because women in football is a bigger topic than usual at the moment due to the whole ongoing Joey Barton thing, so they've latched onto what they can see on social media and served it up to the masses to cater for that and just made it into a straight, basic men vs. women battle when in reality I'd imagine it's far more complex than that, hence there being an actual ongoing investigation into matters the journalist won't inform us of. That in itself is incredibly poor as they're basically turning the subject of misogyny into some sideshow to gain clicks. However, due to that lack of information I think it's pretty hard for anyone to say what they would/should hypothetically do in this situation, as we don't have anything like enough information on the matter itself. Edit: it would also be interesting to know (and I don't know if someone like prestwichpotter would be able to answer) if the leagues have any kind of guidelines as to what names are/aren't allowed in the league pyramid all the way down to grassroots. Surely there must be some rules as to what isn't acceptable to call your club. Even if you use acronyms and they only registered themselves as MHFC, isn't anyone asking what the acronyms stand for? If not then it opens the doors to people being far, far more offensive with their clubs names than this team have been. Definitely something they should be looking at I feel or there could be clubs calling themselves Jihadi FC or I hate gay people united etc. and just getting away with it by registering under the acronym rather than the full name. The article has way more to it than the original post on this thread and you have clearly read the article and taken it seriously. Fair play. If there is an on going report there isn't much else the person writing the article can say other than there is an ongoing report. The outcome will be interesting. My take, for what it is worth, is that having registered MHFC the league is obliged to stick by that decision and throw the other team out of the competition for refusing to play them and not adhering to the league's rules. I would hope that other teams would follow the lead of this team and refuse to play them. At the end of the season either the league will have to refuse to register MHFC or the teams who object will have to form or join another league. The idea that this team and others such just suck it up is ridiculous and won't happen. The FA will probably have to make a decision as to whether to recognise the league if they recognise MHFC and given their role in the women's game (and their shameful historical record on the matter) they probably won't. Obviously this is speculation on my part. However one thing is for certain - this isn't going to go away. A decision on what is and isn't acceptable in terms of (potentially) misogynistic behaviour by men in football is going to be made whether people would rather just let it lie or not. We may not see eye to eye on this but respect for taking it seriously.
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Post by onyourbonce on Feb 17, 2024 20:34:39 GMT
The England women win the euros and reach a WC final - something the men's team will never do - and we get all these little mommy's boys suddenly getting triggered. The name is embarrassing & stupid, with a huge dollop of cringe. The name is embarrassing and stupid, as is your post. How do you know the name of this team is triggered by the England women success? And your degrading men by saying that they will never achieve the same, how do you know that? You fucking knob
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 17, 2024 21:12:54 GMT
The England women win the euros and reach a WC final - something the men's team will never do - and we get all these little mommy's boys suddenly getting triggered. The name is embarrassing & stupid, with a huge dollop of cringe. The name is embarrassing and stupid, as is your post. How do you know the name of this team is triggered by the England women success? And your degrading men by saying that they will never achieve the same, how do you know that? You fucking knob Glad you mainly agree with me then. I can base my assumption of the men winning nothing by the fact they have scrambled to one final, which happened to be mainly on home turf, in the last 60 years - they were shite in every game leading to the that final if memory serves me correctly, apart from one game. Law of averages says if you have a half decent footballing nation you will win something eventually - we have seen massive footballing nations like Denmark, Greece, Czechs, Portugal win trophies since 1966 and all the proper footballing nations like Germany, Brazil, France and Italy win multiple trophies and reach finals on a regular basis - meanwhile there is England a third rate footballing nation with Harry Maguire as our saviour going into the next tournament - the men don't have the talent or temperament to ever win anything and are not a footballing nation - just not our sport, bit like the Jamaicans will never produce a Bobsleigh team. I reckon the name of the football team and all of this women hating that we are suddenly seeing from the likes Barton & Co is 100% because of the success of the women, putting the men to shame, and all of that attention and recognition they are getting - pure jealousy, misogyny - from all of the Mommy's boys
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Post by onyourbonce on Feb 17, 2024 21:46:03 GMT
The name is embarrassing and stupid, as is your post. How do you know the name of this team is triggered by the England women success? And your degrading men by saying that they will never achieve the same, how do you know that? You fucking knob Glad you mainly agree with me then. I can base my assumption of the men winning nothing by the fact they have scrambled to one final, which happened to be mainly on home turf, in the last 60 years - they were shite in every game leading to the that final if memory serves me correctly, apart from one game. Law of averages says if you have a half decent footballing nation you will win something eventually - we have seen massive footballing nations like Denmark, Greece, Czechs, Portugal win trophies since 1966 and all the proper footballing nations like Germany, Brazil, France and Italy win multiple trophies and reach finals on a regular basis - meanwhile there is England a third rate footballing nation with Harry Maguire as our saviour going into the next tournament - the men don't have the talent or temperament to ever win anything and are not a footballing nation - just not our sport, bit like the Jamaicans will never produce a Bobsleigh team. I reckon the name of the football team and all of this women hating that we are suddenly seeing from the likes Barton & Co is 100% because of the success of the women, putting the men to shame, and all of that attention and recognition they are getting - pure jealousy, misogyny - from all of the Mommy's boys Wow, youâve really taken me aback there. You really do hate men. Read how offensive and dismissive you are being towards the male England team with what your saying, while you are claiming misogyny in football because of the name of a team. Thatâs misandry. Double standards
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 17, 2024 22:43:59 GMT
Glad you mainly agree with me then. I can base my assumption of the men winning nothing by the fact they have scrambled to one final, which happened to be mainly on home turf, in the last 60 years - they were shite in every game leading to the that final if memory serves me correctly, apart from one game. Law of averages says if you have a half decent footballing nation you will win something eventually - we have seen massive footballing nations like Denmark, Greece, Czechs, Portugal win trophies since 1966 and all the proper footballing nations like Germany, Brazil, France and Italy win multiple trophies and reach finals on a regular basis - meanwhile there is England a third rate footballing nation with Harry Maguire as our saviour going into the next tournament - the men don't have the talent or temperament to ever win anything and are not a footballing nation - just not our sport, bit like the Jamaicans will never produce a Bobsleigh team. I reckon the name of the football team and all of this women hating that we are suddenly seeing from the likes Barton & Co is 100% because of the success of the women, putting the men to shame, and all of that attention and recognition they are getting - pure jealousy, misogyny - from all of the Mommy's boys Wow, youâve really taken me aback there. You really do hate men. Read how offensive and dismissive you are being towards the male England team with what your saying, while you are claiming misogyny in football because of the name of a team. Thatâs misandry. Double standards I don't hate men, I am one. I am not dismissive toward the men, I gave you a reasonable argument with stats and facts as to why our men are shite at football and why I don't think we are a force in the game, and also why the women being successful in a sport the men have not been capable of competing in for decades is frustrating for some - and stated this is the reason we see little pansies like Barton crying and going overboard with his criticism of the women's game - if he does not like it he does not have to watch it - why do you think he and others are suddenly coming out and demeaning the women's game at this particular point? Also, give me some stats and facts as to why I am wrong when I say England(men) are shite at football and why I should not dismiss them going forward?
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Post by onyourbonce on Feb 18, 2024 8:47:38 GMT
Wow, youâve really taken me aback there. You really do hate men. Read how offensive and dismissive you are being towards the male England team with what your saying, while you are claiming misogyny in football because of the name of a team. Thatâs misandry. Double standards I don't hate men, I am one. I am not dismissive toward the men, I gave you a reasonable argument with stats and facts as to why our men are shite at football and why I don't think we are a force in the game, and also why the women being successful in a sport the men have not been capable of competing in for decades is frustrating for some - and stated this is the reason we see little pansies like Barton crying and going overboard with his criticism of the women's game - if he does not like it he does not have to watch it - why do you think he and others are suddenly coming out and demeaning the women's game at this particular point? Also, give me some stats and facts as to why I am wrong when I say England(men) are shite at football and why I should not dismiss them going forward? Well youâve just said in your previous post the men donât have the talent or temperament to ever win anything, and then your saying your not dismissive towards the men? Canât you see how your contradicting yourself? They may well win the euros this year, who knows? Your just having a pop at them in the name of misogyny, when itâs not even about them and theyâve done nothing wrong.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 18, 2024 10:46:06 GMT
Whatâs the problem here? Iâve not read all the thread. If itâs men calling women âmuntersâ Iâve heard the same from women about men plenty of times. That said I wouldnât call my team by that name as itâs a bit cringeđ¤ˇđťââď¸ The team isn't called MFC - they are called MHFC (Munter Hunter Football Club). If they were called MFC it could be laughed off as a bit of self deprecating humour by either a women's or a men's team. Everyone knows what "Munter Hunter" means. Its men (and everyone knows it's about men) going out of an evening to pull less physically attractive women based on the old trope that they are easier to pull. And by "pull" everyone also knows it's about being ingratiating in order to have a one night stand. The phrase is an attempt at humour in order to normalise male sexual predatory behaviour. And everyone knows that. Let's face it the reason men on here (and it is men) are trying to defend this is because it calls out the sort of behaviour that for years has been considered normal. Thing is at some point women started to call out this sort of behaviour for what it is and some men started to get just how offensive (and disturbing) it is for women to go out and be targeted for sex. Of course you could also argue that "Hunter" is a perfectly innocuous term for a traditional country pursuit and it's just a bunch of humourless vegetarians making a fuss about nothing.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 18, 2024 12:01:01 GMT
Whatâs the problem here? Iâve not read all the thread. If itâs men calling women âmuntersâ Iâve heard the same from women about men plenty of times. That said I wouldnât call my team by that name as itâs a bit cringeđ¤ˇđťââď¸ The team isn't called MFC - they are called MHFC (Munter Hunter Football Club). If they were called MFC it could be laughed off as a bit of self deprecating humour by either a women's or a men's team. Everyone knows what "Munter Hunter" means. Its men (and everyone knows it's about men) going out of an evening to pull less physically attractive women based on the old trope that they are easier to pull. And by "pull" everyone also knows it's about being ingratiating in order to have a one night stand. The phrase is an attempt at humour in order to normalise male sexual predatory behaviour. And everyone knows that. Let's face it the reason men on here (and it is men) are trying to defend this is because it calls out the sort of behaviour that for years has been considered normal. Thing is at some point women started to call out this sort of behaviour for what it is and some men started to get just how offensive (and disturbing) it is for women to go out and be targeted for sex. Of course you could also argue that "Hunter" is a perfectly innocuous term for a traditional country pursuit and it's just a bunch of humourless vegetarians making a fuss about nothing. Well put. They may be using loopholes left by the League in order to give themselves a name that isn't explicitly or directly offensive but as you say, we all know what the words mean and where those kind of phrases come on. As you said in your reply to me, this is where the League need to take a stand at the end of the season (unless the investigation shows they need to take action sooner,of course) and do something about it. When any organisation is set up, there will always be rules/laws/guidelines that have been missed originally, as no list of rules will be exhaustive. However, now they know there is this issue they simply can't sit back and do nothing any longer. The lack of rules which have led to them getting away with it up to now need to be strengthened to ensure it doesn't happen again. The FA guidelines (linked previously) about setting up a club also need to start including misogyny within their Sex,gender and sexual orientation section as it isn't only the trans and LGB communities being discriminated against (I'm still staggered given the FA push in the women's game that they've never covered it in the first place). These are lessons to be leaned by the league, it's now just a case of waiting to see if they do learn or they simply pay lipservice to it all and then sweep it under the carpet.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 18, 2024 13:48:51 GMT
The team isn't called MFC - they are called MHFC (Munter Hunter Football Club). If they were called MFC it could be laughed off as a bit of self deprecating humour by either a women's or a men's team. Everyone knows what "Munter Hunter" means. Its men (and everyone knows it's about men) going out of an evening to pull less physically attractive women based on the old trope that they are easier to pull. And by "pull" everyone also knows it's about being ingratiating in order to have a one night stand. The phrase is an attempt at humour in order to normalise male sexual predatory behaviour. And everyone knows that. Let's face it the reason men on here (and it is men) are trying to defend this is because it calls out the sort of behaviour that for years has been considered normal. Thing is at some point women started to call out this sort of behaviour for what it is and some men started to get just how offensive (and disturbing) it is for women to go out and be targeted for sex. Of course you could also argue that "Hunter" is a perfectly innocuous term for a traditional country pursuit and it's just a bunch of humourless vegetarians making a fuss about nothing. Well put. They may be using loopholes left by the League in order to give themselves a name that isn't explicitly or directly offensive but as you say, we all know what the words mean and where those kind of phrases come on. As you said in your reply to me, this is where the League need to take a stand at the end of the season (unless the investigation shows they need to take action sooner,of course) and do something about it. When any organisation is set up, there will always be rules/laws/guidelines that have been missed originally, as no list of rules will be exhaustive. However, now they know there is this issue they simply can't sit back and do nothing any longer. The lack of rules which have led to them getting away with it up to now need to be strengthened to ensure it doesn't happen again. The FA guidelines (linked previously) about setting up a club also need to start including misogyny within their Sex,gender and sexual orientation section as it isn't only the trans and LGB communities being discriminated against (I'm still staggered given the FA push in the women's game that they've never covered it in the first place). These are lessons to be leaned by the league, it's now just a case of waiting to see if they do learn or they simply pay lipservice to it all and then sweep it under the carpet. That's my take exactly. I suspect like me you have grown up in an era where this stuff was just accepted and being honest most of us just went along with it. The thing is over that same period of time women have (quite rightly) pointed out that this sort of stuff isn't acceptable. So we have a choice - admit we were wrong and support what women are saying about how they want (and deserve) to be treated or fight a rear guard action to support a man's inalienable right to laugh about misogynistic attitudes and behaviour. What I find odd about this thread (and you get it in threads about race as well) is the lengths people will go to claim they aren't misogynistic (or racist) when it's perfectly clear they are or at the very least can't bring themselves to admit it. If verbal gymnastics was an Olympic event we'd be up for gold every time. The other tactic is to portray themselves as the victim and claim it's all just another example of double standards. Because everyone knows men are the real victims of sexually predatory behaviour by women. The thing is holding misogynistic (or racist) views isn't illegal and personally I don't think it should be. If someone comes on here and admits that are sexist (or racist) they can't and they shouldn't be banned for admitting it. But nobody is prepared to do that - those inclined that way just make increasingly bizarre arguments to claim they aren't when it's pretty obvious they are. The situation with respect to a group of people running a league is different - they have a responsibility to those participating to create a safe and welcoming space for the people they want to involve. This league has a choice, they can either create a league that is welcoming to women or one that allows clubs to behave in a way that most women will probably find offensive. I actually believe they should have the right to include clubs like MHFC if they want and leave it to other clubs to decide to join or not. In practice the league would be ostracised by the football pyramid and it's pretty much guaranteed that the FA would not recognise them but that is something they have to take into account when making their decision. Like us as individual this league has to make a decision on where they stand. Laughing it off is an option but I suspect that won't work.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 18, 2024 14:01:49 GMT
Well put. They may be using loopholes left by the League in order to give themselves a name that isn't explicitly or directly offensive but as you say, we all know what the words mean and where those kind of phrases come on. As you said in your reply to me, this is where the League need to take a stand at the end of the season (unless the investigation shows they need to take action sooner,of course) and do something about it. When any organisation is set up, there will always be rules/laws/guidelines that have been missed originally, as no list of rules will be exhaustive. However, now they know there is this issue they simply can't sit back and do nothing any longer. The lack of rules which have led to them getting away with it up to now need to be strengthened to ensure it doesn't happen again. The FA guidelines (linked previously) about setting up a club also need to start including misogyny within their Sex,gender and sexual orientation section as it isn't only the trans and LGB communities being discriminated against (I'm still staggered given the FA push in the women's game that they've never covered it in the first place). These are lessons to be leaned by the league, it's now just a case of waiting to see if they do learn or they simply pay lipservice to it all and then sweep it under the carpet. That's my take exactly. I suspect like me you have grown up in an era where this stuff was just accepted and being honest most of us just went along with it. The thing is over that same period of time women have (quite rightly) pointed out that this sort of stuff isn't acceptable. So we have a choice - admit we were wrong and support what women are saying about how they want (and deserve) to be treated or fight a rear guard action to support a man's inalienable right to laugh about misogynistic attitudes and behaviour. What I find odd about this thread (and you get it in threads about race as well) is the lengths people will go to claim they aren't misogynistic (or racist) when it's perfectly clear they are or at the very least can't bring themselves to admit it. If verbal gymnastics was an Olympic event we'd be up for gold every time. The other tactic is to portray themselves as the victim and claim it's all just another example of double standards. Because everyone knows men are the real victims of sexually predatory behaviour by women. The thing is holding misogynistic (or racist) views isn't illegal and personally I don't think it should be. If someone comes on here and admits that are sexist (or racist) they can't and they shouldn't be banned for admitting it. But nobody is prepared to do that - those inclined that way just make increasingly bizarre arguments to claim they aren't when it's pretty obvious they are. The situation with respect to a group of people running a league is different - they have a responsibility to those participating to create a safe and welcoming space for the people they want to involve. This league has a choice, they can either create a league that is welcoming to women or one that allows clubs to behave in a way that most women will probably find offensive. I actually believe they should have the right to include clubs like MHFC if they want and leave it to other clubs to decide to join or not. In practice the league would be ostracised by the football pyramid and it's pretty much guaranteed that the FA would not recognise them but that is something they have to take into account when making their decision. Like us as individual this league has to make a decision on where they stand. Laughing it off is an option but I suspect that won't work. Agree with all of that and most can be applied to general life, as well as football. Personally I don't like it when people use the "banter" excuse anyway. Banter is used between your friends/family etc. i.e. people you know, people whose boundaries you know and people who you know will realise it IS just banter. It ISN'T just a case of "say what I want to who I want and as long as I know it's just a joke, that's all that matters". If someone is saying something aimed towards a person/group of people, then it isn't up to the person who's saying it to decide whether or not it's just banter. That's a decision solely made by the recipients of it, as they're the subject matter it's directed towards. In the same way that it isn't up to men to decide whether or not women should be offended by what they say. I don't get why people find that so hard to understand.
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Post by gawa on Feb 18, 2024 14:11:23 GMT
The term munter means ugly and can be applied to men or women. And is currently a perfectly legal word. To automatically assume its about women is probably more misogynistic than the team name itself. Half the team could be gay for all we know. That being said, it's literally more modern day bollocks anyway, crying over a teams name đ Couldn't agree more mate. Munter can be about anyone. Hope the team boycotting gets points deductions for their pathetic display.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 18, 2024 14:24:18 GMT
I think the ladies I know would rather take their chances with a Munter Hunter than an overbearing White Knight male feminist intent on casting them as victims devoid of any agency of their own
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Feb 18, 2024 14:43:05 GMT
I think the ladies I know would rather take their chances with a Munter Hunter than an overbearing White Knight male feminist intent on casting them as victims devoid of any agency of their own Yep Diesb't ake much internet trawling for folk to find something trivial to get upset about
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